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Old 09-06-2008   #1 (permalink)
neo [mvp outlook]


 
 

Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

My Google-foo isn't working this morning, but can you use the Windows 2008
x64 w/out Hyper V media and then add the RTM version of Hyper V afterwards?
Reason I ask is that I'm trying to figure out what media I have to start out
with to make this all work. Thanks in advance.




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Old 09-06-2008   #2 (permalink)
Thomas Lee


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

In message <ujYBttCEJHA.6044@xxxxxx>, "neo [mvp outlook]"
<neo@xxxxxx> writes
Quote:

>My Google-foo isn't working this morning, but can you use the Windows 2008
>x64 w/out Hyper V media and then add the RTM version of Hyper V afterwards?
Yes.

Oddly, this is what I'm in the midst of doing right now. I just got the
2nd network card installed in my system, and am downloading the RTM "hot
fix" for HyperV to get it working this afternoon.
Quote:

>Reason I ask is that I'm trying to figure out what media I have to start out
>with to make this all work. Thanks in advance.
RTM Media then the hot fix.

Thomas
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(tfl@xxxxxx)
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Old 09-06-2008   #3 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

Are you sure, Thomas? Specifically, not the RTM media, but the RTM version
without hyper-v? It's a different SKU, and I thought it wouldn't allow
hyper-v.

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Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Thomas Lee" <tfl@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:2oDZFJ590pwIFA+l@xxxxxx
Quote:

> In message <ujYBttCEJHA.6044@xxxxxx>, "neo [mvp outlook]"
> <neo@xxxxxx> writes
Quote:

>>My Google-foo isn't working this morning, but can you use the Windows 2008
>>x64 w/out Hyper V media and then add the RTM version of Hyper V
>>afterwards?
>
> Yes.
>
> Oddly, this is what I'm in the midst of doing right now. I just got the
> 2nd network card installed in my system, and am downloading the RTM "hot
> fix" for HyperV to get it working this afternoon.
>
Quote:

>>Reason I ask is that I'm trying to figure out what media I have to start
>>out
>>with to make this all work. Thanks in advance.
>
> RTM Media then the hot fix.
>
> Thomas
> --
> Thomas Lee
> (tfl@xxxxxx)
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Old 09-06-2008   #4 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

I could be wrong (and Thomas certainly thinks so), but I believe you need
the RTM version that is not "w/o Hyper-V". Even though you're going to have
to add the RTM version of Hyper-V to it, my understanding was that you need
to start with the version that includes Hyper-V in order to add it. No need
to install the role, however, before adding the RTM bits for Hyper-V.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"neo [mvp outlook]" <neo@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ujYBttCEJHA.6044@xxxxxx
Quote:

> My Google-foo isn't working this morning, but can you use the Windows 2008
> x64 w/out Hyper V media and then add the RTM version of Hyper V
> afterwards? Reason I ask is that I'm trying to figure out what media I
> have to start out with to make this all work. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Old 09-06-2008   #5 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

I'm pretty sure you're right Charlie -- the only way to get hyper-V on
a no Hyper-V SKU is to get a new license and do an upgrade.

--
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On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:48:26 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>I could be wrong (and Thomas certainly thinks so), but I believe you need
>the RTM version that is not "w/o Hyper-V". Even though you're going to have
>to add the RTM version of Hyper-V to it, my understanding was that you need
>to start with the version that includes Hyper-V in order to add it. No need
>to install the role, however, before adding the RTM bits for Hyper-V.
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Old 09-06-2008   #6 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

I hesitate whenever I disagree with Thomas. He and I go back a ways, and
he's usually been right. But I think he missed the key point in the OPs
query here.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:f0o5c454555lkkfgvnkg69fdeeac9d10dv@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I'm pretty sure you're right Charlie -- the only way to get hyper-V on
> a no Hyper-V SKU is to get a new license and do an upgrade.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:48:26 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
> <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>I could be wrong (and Thomas certainly thinks so), but I believe you need
>>the RTM version that is not "w/o Hyper-V". Even though you're going to
>>have
>>to add the RTM version of Hyper-V to it, my understanding was that you
>>need
>>to start with the version that includes Hyper-V in order to add it. No
>>need
>>to install the role, however, before adding the RTM bits for Hyper-V.
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Old 09-06-2008   #7 (permalink)
neo [mvp outlook]


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

and trust me, I don't mind waiting for the final verdict since the box I
want to rebuild is a windows 2003 ee/vs2005r2sp1 server that hosts 8 vms.
still have homework to do on how to move the guests over to the new
platform.


"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uHJi4KGEJHA.4040@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I hesitate whenever I disagree with Thomas. He and I go back a ways, and
>he's usually been right. But I think he missed the key point in the OPs
>query here.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:f0o5c454555lkkfgvnkg69fdeeac9d10dv@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> I'm pretty sure you're right Charlie -- the only way to get hyper-V on
>> a no Hyper-V SKU is to get a new license and do an upgrade.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:48:26 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
>> <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>I could be wrong (and Thomas certainly thinks so), but I believe you need
>>>the RTM version that is not "w/o Hyper-V". Even though you're going to
>>>have
>>>to add the RTM version of Hyper-V to it, my understanding was that you
>>>need
>>>to start with the version that includes Hyper-V in order to add it. No
>>>need
>>>to install the role, however, before adding the RTM bits for Hyper-V.
>

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Old 09-06-2008   #8 (permalink)
Paul Adare - MVP


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:55:08 -0700, neo [mvp outlook] wrote:
Quote:

> and trust me, I don't mind waiting for the final verdict since the box I
> want to rebuild is a windows 2003 ee/vs2005r2sp1 server that hosts 8 vms.
> still have homework to do on how to move the guests over to the new
> platform.
If you know you're going to be adding the Hyper-V role then why not just
start with the SKU with Hyper-V in the first place? Even if you can add the
RTM patch to the bits without Hyper-V (like Robert and Charlie I think
Thomas is wrong here) you'll be in violation of the EULA if you do so.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Dump: The EPA's answer to health.
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Old 09-06-2008   #9 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

Not to mention the hyper-V sku is only a very little extra cost, and
just because it's a hyper-V sku, you don't have to install the Hyper-V
role if you don't want to use it yet.

--
Bob Comer


On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:03:25 -0400, Paul Adare - MVP
<pkadare@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:55:08 -0700, neo [mvp outlook] wrote:
>
Quote:

>> and trust me, I don't mind waiting for the final verdict since the box I
>> want to rebuild is a windows 2003 ee/vs2005r2sp1 server that hosts 8 vms.
>> still have homework to do on how to move the guests over to the new
>> platform.
>
>If you know you're going to be adding the Hyper-V role then why not just
>start with the SKU with Hyper-V in the first place? Even if you can add the
>RTM patch to the bits without Hyper-V (like Robert and Charlie I think
>Thomas is wrong here) you'll be in violation of the EULA if you do so.
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Old 09-06-2008   #10 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: Server 2008 editions and Hyper V

Well, with Paul jumping in, I'm even more sure.<G>

Seriously, the difference in cost between the two editions is trivial. Buy
the one with hyper-v in it, and be done with it. That works, we all know it
works, and it's the correct product.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"neo [mvp outlook]" <neo@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eL4t7sGEJHA.1272@xxxxxx
Quote:

> and trust me, I don't mind waiting for the final verdict since the box I
> want to rebuild is a windows 2003 ee/vs2005r2sp1 server that hosts 8 vms.
> still have homework to do on how to move the guests over to the new
> platform.
>
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uHJi4KGEJHA.4040@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I hesitate whenever I disagree with Thomas. He and I go back a ways, and
>>he's usually been right. But I think he missed the key point in the OPs
>>query here.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:f0o5c454555lkkfgvnkg69fdeeac9d10dv@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> I'm pretty sure you're right Charlie -- the only way to get hyper-V on
>>> a no Hyper-V SKU is to get a new license and do an upgrade.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:48:26 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
>>> <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I could be wrong (and Thomas certainly thinks so), but I believe you
>>>>need
>>>>the RTM version that is not "w/o Hyper-V". Even though you're going to
>>>>have
>>>>to add the RTM version of Hyper-V to it, my understanding was that you
>>>>need
>>>>to start with the version that includes Hyper-V in order to add it. No
>>>>need
>>>>to install the role, however, before adding the RTM bits for Hyper-V.
>>
>
>
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