Vista - An Hyper-V be installed on a MacBook Pro (Intel with VT)

All,

I'm newbiecheeze when it comes to virtualization so please forgive if my
questions are ridiculously ridiculous.

I run Vista Ultimate on a MacBookPro with Parallels Desktop for Mac
virtualization technology. However there are limitations; among other things
it doesn't support directx 9 or directx 10 so no fancy interface stuff. No
flight simulator etc.

Parallels runs within OS X and thus requires special drivers etc to run
windows properly. My understanding is that Hyper-V is a thin layer that runs
before/under the OS.

Will Hyper-V run on the MacBook Pro and allow me to easily switch between
OSX and Vista and etc? What are the dependencies that I need be aware of?

thanks


chocklat

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:27:38 -0400, chocobot wrote:
Hyper-V is not a separate product, it is a role in Windows Server 2008.

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On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:27:38 -0400, chocobot <chocklat@xxxxxx>
wrote:
There is no 3d hardware acceleration in Hyper-V.
Yes, but at this time there is no stand-alone hypervisor, you need
Windows 2008 Server also.
No, that's not how it works. Right now, you'd need to install Windows
2008 Server as the main OS, then you'd install Vista. OS X won't
install in a VM due to Apple's incredibly restrictive licensing. Also,
OS X is not a supported guest OS for a VM.
I think your perception of what Hyper-V does is a bit different than
what it actually does.

At this time I don't know of anything that will let you switch between
2 OSes except dual booting them.


More info from:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc755090.aspx

Virtualization Role
Updated: January 21, 2008

The Virtualization role enables you to create a virtualized server
computing environment using a technology that is part of the Windows
Server® 2008 operating system. This solution is provided through
Hyper-V™. You can use a virtualized computing environment to improve
the efficiency of your computing resources by utilizing more of your
hardware resources.

Starting with the Beta release of Hyper-V (available in Windows Server
2008 RC1 with Hyper-V Beta) you can install this role on either a full
installation or a Server Core installation of Windows Server 2008.

What does Hyper-V do?
Hyper-V provides software infrastructure and basic management tools in
Windows Server 2008 that you can use to create and manage a
virtualized server computing environment. This virtualized environment
can be used to address a variety of business goals aimed at improving
efficiency and reducing costs. For example, a virtualized server
environment can help you:

Reduce the costs of operating and maintaining physical servers by
increasing your hardware utilization. You can reduce the amount of
hardware needed to run your server workloads.

Increase development and test efficiency by reducing the amount of
time it takes to set up hardware and software and reproduce test
environments.

Improve server availability without using as many physical computers
as you would need in a failover configuration that uses only physical
computers.

Increase or reduce server resources in response to changes in demand.

Who will be interested in this role?
The Virtualization role can be useful to you if you are one of the
following:

An IT administrator, planner, or designer

An IT architect responsible for computer management and security
throughout your organization

An IT operations manager who is looking for ways to reduce the total
cost of ownership of their server infrastructure, in terms of both
power costs and management costs

A software developer or tester who is looking for ways to increase
productivity by reducing the time it takes to build and configure a
server for development or test use

Are there any special considerations?
Hyper-V requires specific hardware. You will need the following:

An x64-based processor. Hyper-V is available only in the x64-based
versions of Windows Server 2008—specifically, the x64-based versions
of Windows Server 2008 Standard, Windows Server 2008 Enterprise, and
Windows Server 2008 Datacenter.

Hardware-assisted virtualization. This is available in processors that
include a virtualization option; specifically Intel VT or AMD
Virtualization (AMD-V, formerly code-named "Pacifica").

Hardware Data Execution Protection (DEP) must be available and be
enabled. Specifically, you must enable Intel XD bit (execute disable
bit) or AMD NX bit (no execute bit).

What are the key features of Hyper-V?
The key features of Hyper-V are as follows:

64-bit native hypervisor-based virtualization.

Ability to run 32-bit and 64-bit virtual machines concurrently.

Uniprocessor and multiprocessor virtual machines.

Virtual machine snapshots, which capture the state of a running
virtual machine. Snapshots record system state, so you can revert the
virtual machine to a previous state.

Large virtual machine memory support.

Virtual LAN support.

Microsoft Management Console (MMC) 3.0 management tool.

Documented Windows® Management Instrumentation (WMI) interfaces for
scripting and management.

Additional resources
Windows Server 2008 Technical Library
(http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=48557)

Step-by-Step Guide to Getting Started with Hyper-V
(http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=105293)

Server Manager Scenarios Step-by-Step Guide
(http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=101037)


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I do not work for Microsoft.

In message <729t936nfr6z$.ehrz7dgghv7c$.dlg@xxxxxx> Paul Adare - MVP
<pkadare@xxxxxx> wrote:
That is not correct, Microsoft has just announced a standalone Hyper-V
server, free.

http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...ee-hyperv.html
has a nice write-up.

But it's still got Windows Server there as the parent partition. You can't
install Hyper-V without Server.

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"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:mi6bc45frhdu238de2iamc7uq589purvkg@xxxxxx

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:42:39 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
I think that is the announcement for the stand-alone Hyper-V product,
like ESXi.

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Cheers,
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http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

In message <e7X3f7jEJHA.3996@xxxxxx> "Charlie Russel -
MVP" <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
Are we reading different news?

http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...on-server.html
talked about the concept some time ago, and
http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...ee-hyperv.html
talks about the fact that it will now be free.

Note this line from the first article:

| It is hypervisor virtualization technology that is installed on the “bare metal”
| of a hardware platform without the need for a Windows operating system.

Although the base looks to be a stripped down Windows 2008 environment,
this is different then the Hyper-V role of Windows 2008 in that the host
cannot do anything beyond run Hyper-V, and doesn't have the associated
pricetag.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:47:32 -0600, DevilsPGD wrote:
<sigh>

Which still uses Server 2008 as the parent partition.

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In message <1ikx531vj4da3$.1hcnotv7fpgrt$.dlg@xxxxxx> Paul Adare -
MVP <pkadare@xxxxxx> wrote:
While technically true, the implementation is quite different, it's not
a matter of just being a role in 2008, it's the *only* role this
particular parent partition will support, which is quite different.

The price makes it relatively attractive too.

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:28:22 -0600, DevilsPGD wrote:
In the context of this discussion, which is using Hyper-V on a Mac, the
fact that the parent partition is Windows Server 2008 is completely
relevant. The fact that Hyper-V is the only role available is completely
irrelevant.

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