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11-21-2008   #1
Christophe CHESNEAU


 
 

Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

Hello,

It seems to be difficult to find information about the access to tape
peripherals in server virtual instance.
Can we see DLT or DAT (connected with SCSI or SAS) in virtual instance of a
server in order to use backup software (Arcserve or BE for example) ?
In my situation: I have a HP ML 370 server installed under Hyper-V server
(not complete WIndows 2008 OS) which have 2 virtual instance of Windows 2008
server.
One of the instances has the role of data server and I want that virtual
server be the backup server accessing a DLT or DAT physical engine.

Do you have any solution ?

Thanks in advance. Regards.

Christophe CHESNEAU


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11-21-2008   #2
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

That capability isn't built into Hyper-V, it can't pass through SCSI
devices like that.

The only way to accomplish something like it is to use iSCSI.

--
Bob Comer



On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:38:37 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
<cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Hello,
>
>It seems to be difficult to find information about the access to tape
>peripherals in server virtual instance.
>Can we see DLT or DAT (connected with SCSI or SAS) in virtual instance of a
>server in order to use backup software (Arcserve or BE for example) ?
>In my situation: I have a HP ML 370 server installed under Hyper-V server
>(not complete WIndows 2008 OS) which have 2 virtual instance of Windows 2008
>server.
>One of the instances has the role of data server and I want that virtual
>server be the backup server accessing a DLT or DAT physical engine.
>
>Do you have any solution ?
>
>Thanks in advance. Regards.
>
>Christophe CHESNEAU
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11-21-2008   #3
Christophe CHESNEAU


 
 

Re: Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

Hello Robert,

thanks for your answer. I don't know a lot of thing about iScsi .
Do you have some website links (doc, procedures, etc..) about it and it
deployment in virtual environment please?

THanks a lot. Regards.

"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> a écrit dans le message
de news:0ccdi4l2pj58kla7pipuc2ln9ijaoh1rm9@xxxxxx
Quote:

> That capability isn't built into Hyper-V, it can't pass through SCSI
> devices like that.
>
> The only way to accomplish something like it is to use iSCSI.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
>
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:38:37 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
> <cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>Hello,
>>
>>It seems to be difficult to find information about the access to tape
>>peripherals in server virtual instance.
>>Can we see DLT or DAT (connected with SCSI or SAS) in virtual instance of
>>a
>>server in order to use backup software (Arcserve or BE for example) ?
>>In my situation: I have a HP ML 370 server installed under Hyper-V server
>>(not complete WIndows 2008 OS) which have 2 virtual instance of Windows
>>2008
>>server.
>>One of the instances has the role of data server and I want that virtual
>>server be the backup server accessing a DLT or DAT physical engine.
>>
>>Do you have any solution ?
>>
>>Thanks in advance. Regards.
>>
>>Christophe CHESNEAU
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11-21-2008   #4
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

No, sorry, I've never used iSCSI like that, I just know it can be
done. Hopefully someone else will answer.

--
Bob Comer



On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:28:53 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
<cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Hello Robert,
>
>thanks for your answer. I don't know a lot of thing about iScsi .
>Do you have some website links (doc, procedures, etc..) about it and it
>deployment in virtual environment please?
>
>THanks a lot. Regards.
>
>"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> a écrit dans le message
>de news:0ccdi4l2pj58kla7pipuc2ln9ijaoh1rm9@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> That capability isn't built into Hyper-V, it can't pass through SCSI
>> devices like that.
>>
>> The only way to accomplish something like it is to use iSCSI.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:38:37 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
>> <cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>It seems to be difficult to find information about the access to tape
>>>peripherals in server virtual instance.
>>>Can we see DLT or DAT (connected with SCSI or SAS) in virtual instance of
>>>a
>>>server in order to use backup software (Arcserve or BE for example) ?
>>>In my situation: I have a HP ML 370 server installed under Hyper-V server
>>>(not complete WIndows 2008 OS) which have 2 virtual instance of Windows
>>>2008
>>>server.
>>>One of the instances has the role of data server and I want that virtual
>>>server be the backup server accessing a DLT or DAT physical engine.
>>>
>>>Do you have any solution ?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance. Regards.
>>>
>>>Christophe CHESNEAU
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11-21-2008   #5
Tom Mason


 
 

Re: Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

And since Server 2008 doesn't really support tape itself, this might not be
possible.

Tom

--
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"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
newsredi45e2s105g35uqiaupdp7uu80hideh@xxxxxx
Quote:

> No, sorry, I've never used iSCSI like that, I just know it can be
> done. Hopefully someone else will answer.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
>
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:28:53 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
> <cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>Hello Robert,
>>
>>thanks for your answer. I don't know a lot of thing about iScsi .
>>Do you have some website links (doc, procedures, etc..) about it and it
>>deployment in virtual environment please?
>>
>>THanks a lot. Regards.
>>
>>"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> a écrit dans le message
>>de news:0ccdi4l2pj58kla7pipuc2ln9ijaoh1rm9@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> That capability isn't built into Hyper-V, it can't pass through SCSI
>>> devices like that.
>>>
>>> The only way to accomplish something like it is to use iSCSI.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:38:37 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
>>> <cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>It seems to be difficult to find information about the access to tape
>>>>peripherals in server virtual instance.
>>>>Can we see DLT or DAT (connected with SCSI or SAS) in virtual instance
>>>>of
>>>>a
>>>>server in order to use backup software (Arcserve or BE for example) ?
>>>>In my situation: I have a HP ML 370 server installed under Hyper-V
>>>>server
>>>>(not complete WIndows 2008 OS) which have 2 virtual instance of Windows
>>>>2008
>>>>server.
>>>>One of the instances has the role of data server and I want that virtual
>>>>server be the backup server accessing a DLT or DAT physical engine.
>>>>
>>>>Do you have any solution ?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance. Regards.
>>>>
>>>>Christophe CHESNEAU
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11-22-2008   #6
Christophe CHESNEAU


 
 

Re: Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

Hello Tom,

I'm sorry but I don't understand exactly your answer.
I have HP Windows 2008 Servers with HP Ultrium systems working perfectly
with Arcserve.
What your are saying, is that natively (without Arcserver driver or
BackupExec) WIndows 2008 wouldn't be able to manage RSM tape systems ?
I didn't try myself without third-party software but I'm interesing to know
if you experienced problem like you seems to say in your answer.

Thanks. Regards.


"Tom Mason" <masonth@xxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de
news:E3CC6213-B732-433C-AD2D-2052ACC30B47@xxxxxx
Quote:

> And since Server 2008 doesn't really support tape itself, this might not
> be possible.
>
> Tom
>
> --
> ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB
> AMD Athlon 64 X2 CPU 4800+
> 4GB RAM
> nVidia GeForce 8500 GT Video
> 250 GB SATA II hard drive
> Pinnacle PCTV 7010iX TV Tuner
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> newsredi45e2s105g35uqiaupdp7uu80hideh@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> No, sorry, I've never used iSCSI like that, I just know it can be
>> done. Hopefully someone else will answer.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:28:53 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
>> <cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>Hello Robert,
>>>
>>>thanks for your answer. I don't know a lot of thing about iScsi .
>>>Do you have some website links (doc, procedures, etc..) about it and it
>>>deployment in virtual environment please?
>>>
>>>THanks a lot. Regards.
>>>
>>>"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> a écrit dans le
>>>message
>>>de news:0ccdi4l2pj58kla7pipuc2ln9ijaoh1rm9@xxxxxx
>>>> That capability isn't built into Hyper-V, it can't pass through SCSI
>>>> devices like that.
>>>>
>>>> The only way to accomplish something like it is to use iSCSI.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:38:37 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
>>>> <cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems to be difficult to find information about the access to tape
>>>>>peripherals in server virtual instance.
>>>>>Can we see DLT or DAT (connected with SCSI or SAS) in virtual instance
>>>>>of
>>>>>a
>>>>>server in order to use backup software (Arcserve or BE for example) ?
>>>>>In my situation: I have a HP ML 370 server installed under Hyper-V
>>>>>server
>>>>>(not complete WIndows 2008 OS) which have 2 virtual instance of Windows
>>>>>2008
>>>>>server.
>>>>>One of the instances has the role of data server and I want that
>>>>>virtual
>>>>>server be the backup server accessing a DLT or DAT physical engine.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you have any solution ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance. Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>>Christophe CHESNEAU
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11-22-2008   #7
Paul Adare


 
 

Re: Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:29:26 -0800, Tom Mason wrote:
Quote:

> And since Server 2008 doesn't really support tape itself, this might not be
> possible.
Wow, you could not be any more wrong here if you tried.

I'd suggest that you do a little investigation and you might want to start
with Remote Storage Management.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11-22-2008   #8
Tom Mason


 
 

Re: Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

Paul,

I meant Windows Server Backup does not support tape.

I assume you mean "Removable Storage Management". RSM can be used to manage
libraries of tapes, but there are no facilities to put information on a
tape, or read it from a tape as the Backup application in Server 2003 does.

Tom

ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB
AMD Athlon 64 X2 CPU 4800+
4GB RAM
nVidia GeForce 8500 GT Video
250 GB SATA II hard drive
Pinnacle PCTV 7010iX TV Tuner
"Paul Adare" <pkadare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:2mxq2lvaavz.1sua3i18fr4yr$.dlg@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:29:26 -0800, Tom Mason wrote:
>
Quote:

>> And since Server 2008 doesn't really support tape itself, this might not
>> be
>> possible.
>
> Wow, you could not be any more wrong here if you tried.
>
> I'd suggest that you do a little investigation and you might want to start
> with Remote Storage Management.
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
> http://www.identit.ca
My System SpecsSystem Spec
11-22-2008   #9
Tom Mason


 
 

Re: Hyper-V and tape storage peripherals

Christophe,

I'm sorry for not being clearer. I meant the Server 2008 Backup facility
does not support using tapes, as it did in Server 2003. If you use another
application like Arcserve, and this application works on Server 2008, you
should be OK. Server 2008 RSM still appears to manage tapes as before, but
I've never used it since NTBackup always was enough for me.

Tom

--
ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB
AMD Athlon 64 X2 CPU 4800+
4GB RAM
nVidia GeForce 8500 GT Video
250 GB SATA II hard drive
Pinnacle PCTV 7010iX TV Tuner
"Christophe CHESNEAU" <cc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:0655C968-DE5B-49F2-A62C-29D00F38B32A@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Hello Tom,
>
> I'm sorry but I don't understand exactly your answer.
> I have HP Windows 2008 Servers with HP Ultrium systems working perfectly
> with Arcserve.
> What your are saying, is that natively (without Arcserver driver or
> BackupExec) WIndows 2008 wouldn't be able to manage RSM tape systems ?
> I didn't try myself without third-party software but I'm interesing to
> know if you experienced problem like you seems to say in your answer.
>
> Thanks. Regards.
>
>
> "Tom Mason" <masonth@xxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de
> news:E3CC6213-B732-433C-AD2D-2052ACC30B47@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> And since Server 2008 doesn't really support tape itself, this might not
>> be possible.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> --
>> ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB
>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 CPU 4800+
>> 4GB RAM
>> nVidia GeForce 8500 GT Video
>> 250 GB SATA II hard drive
>> Pinnacle PCTV 7010iX TV Tuner
>> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> newsredi45e2s105g35uqiaupdp7uu80hideh@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> No, sorry, I've never used iSCSI like that, I just know it can be
>>> done. Hopefully someone else will answer.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:28:53 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
>>> <cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello Robert,
>>>>
>>>>thanks for your answer. I don't know a lot of thing about iScsi .
>>>>Do you have some website links (doc, procedures, etc..) about it and it
>>>>deployment in virtual environment please?
>>>>
>>>>THanks a lot. Regards.
>>>>
>>>>"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> a écrit dans le
>>>>message
>>>>de news:0ccdi4l2pj58kla7pipuc2ln9ijaoh1rm9@xxxxxx
>>>>> That capability isn't built into Hyper-V, it can't pass through SCSI
>>>>> devices like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only way to accomplish something like it is to use iSCSI.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:38:37 +0100, "Christophe CHESNEAU"
>>>>> <cc@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It seems to be difficult to find information about the access to tape
>>>>>>peripherals in server virtual instance.
>>>>>>Can we see DLT or DAT (connected with SCSI or SAS) in virtual instance
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>server in order to use backup software (Arcserve or BE for example) ?
>>>>>>In my situation: I have a HP ML 370 server installed under Hyper-V
>>>>>>server
>>>>>>(not complete WIndows 2008 OS) which have 2 virtual instance of
>>>>>>Windows
>>>>>>2008
>>>>>>server.
>>>>>>One of the instances has the role of data server and I want that
>>>>>>virtual
>>>>>>server be the backup server accessing a DLT or DAT physical engine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you have any solution ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks in advance. Regards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Christophe CHESNEAU
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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