Vista - how to manage hyper-v from XP

01-05-2009

"Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>

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>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@xxxxxx

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>> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on
>> > hyper-v
>> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any
>> > plans
>> > for
>> > a local admin tool?

>>
>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or
>> Hyper-V
>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core).
>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry
>> but
>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin
>> mode
>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS .
>> --
>>
>> Mike Brannigan
>>

>
> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run,
> and
> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install
> too.
> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool.
>

Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system
does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire to
have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be administered
remotely.

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> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will
> skip
> Vista, that is a fact.
>

XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on October
25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in technoillygy
term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre the Aug 24th 01
RTM. Either way you are using an old OS

Quote:

> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at work,
> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to
> be
> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an
> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion).

--

Mike Brannigan

01-05-2009

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:3B4F9D00-77FC-40F4-A897-4E44FE0B73EA@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>
>>
>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>

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>>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@xxxxxx
>>> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on
>>> > hyper-v
>>> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any
>>> > plans
>>> > for
>>> > a local admin tool?
>>>
>>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or
>>> Hyper-V
>>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core).
>>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry
>>> but
>>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin
>>> mode
>>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS .
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike Brannigan
>>>

>>
>> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run,
>> and
>> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install
>> too.
>> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool.
>>

>
> Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system
> does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire to
> have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be administered
> remotely.
>

Quote:

>> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will
>> skip
>> Vista, that is a fact.
>>

>
> XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on
> October 25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in
> technoillygy term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre
> the Aug 24th 01 RTM. Either way you are using an old OS
>

Quote:

>> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at
>> work,
>> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to
>> be
>> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an
>> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion).

>
>
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan

The main problem is that XP just doesn't have the necessary bits in the
OS to run the Hyper-V MMC. Even RTM Vista doesn't. You need SP1.

01-06-2009

"Bill Grant" <not.available@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23hu2P64bJHA.5976@xxxxxx

Quote:

>
>
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:AE6C9CD2-6E2D-43CB-98EB-ED51AD7AEA8A@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>
>>
>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:3B4F9D00-77FC-40F4-A897-4E44FE0B73EA@xxxxxx

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>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@xxxxxx
>>>> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on
>>>> > hyper-v
>>>> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any
>>>> > plans
>>>> > for
>>>> > a local admin tool?
>>>>
>>>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or
>>>> Hyper-V
>>>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core).
>>>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry
>>>> but
>>>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin
>>>> mode
>>>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS .
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Mike Brannigan
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run,
>>> and
>>> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install
>>> too.
>>> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool.
>>>

>>
>> Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system
>> does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire
>> to have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be
>> administered remotely.
>>

Quote:

>>> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will
>>> skip
>>> Vista, that is a fact.
>>>

>>
>> XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on
>> October 25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in
>> technoillygy term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre
>> the Aug 24th 01 RTM. Either way you are using an old OS
>>

Quote:

>>> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at
>>> work,
>>> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to
>>> be
>>> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an
>>> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion).

>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike Brannigan

> The main problem is that XP just doesn't have the necessary bits in the
> OS to run the Hyper-V MMC. Even RTM Vista doesn't. You need SP1.
>

Which not be a problem for anyone wanting to run the modern server platforms
from Microsoft. There is really no point in Kimpsu continuing to badger
about wanting an admin tool on XP when there are perfectly good options such
as running your admin machine on Vista SP1, or using a RDP session to a
Server 2008 machine with the admin tools installed (or run a Vista VM on the
admin workstation using something like Virtual PC etc - or switch to Vista
SP1 and if he has legacy apps that require XP then run those on a VM).
Since to manage a Server 2008 environment remotely you need to be using the
RSAT tools anyway and they require Vista SP1.

This all seems like a fairly pointless discussion.
--

Mike Brannigan

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01-05-2009	#11 (permalink)
Mike Brannigan n/a posts	Re: how to manage hyper-v from XP "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:3B4F9D00-77FC-40F4-A897-4E44FE0B73EA@xxxxxx Quote: > > > "Mike Brannigan" wrote: > Quote: >> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@xxxxxx Quote: >> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on >> > hyper-v >> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any >> > plans >> > for >> > a local admin tool? >> >> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or >> Hyper-V >> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core). >> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry >> but >> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin >> mode >> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS . >> -- >> >> Mike Brannigan >> > > Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run, > and > for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install > too. > So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool. > Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire to have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be administered remotely. Quote: > PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will > skip > Vista, that is a fact. > XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on October 25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in technoillygy term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre the Aug 24th 01 RTM. Either way you are using an old OS Quote: > I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at work, > so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to > be > able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an > interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion). -- Mike Brannigan
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01-05-2009	#12 (permalink)
Bill Grant n/a posts	Re: how to manage hyper-v from XP "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:AE6C9CD2-6E2D-43CB-98EB-ED51AD7AEA8A@xxxxxx Quote: > > > "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:3B4F9D00-77FC-40F4-A897-4E44FE0B73EA@xxxxxx Quote: >> >> >> "Mike Brannigan" wrote: >> Quote: >>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@xxxxxx >>> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on >>> > hyper-v >>> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any >>> > plans >>> > for >>> > a local admin tool? >>> >>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or >>> Hyper-V >>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core). >>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry >>> but >>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin >>> mode >>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS . >>> -- >>> >>> Mike Brannigan >>> >> >> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run, >> and >> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install >> too. >> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool. >> > > Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system > does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire to > have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be administered > remotely. > Quote: >> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will >> skip >> Vista, that is a fact. >> > > XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on > October 25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in > technoillygy term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre > the Aug 24th 01 RTM. Either way you are using an old OS > Quote: >> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at >> work, >> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to >> be >> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an >> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion). > > > -- > > Mike Brannigan The main problem is that XP just doesn't have the necessary bits in the OS to run the Hyper-V MMC. Even RTM Vista doesn't. You need SP1.
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01-06-2009	#13 (permalink)
Mike Brannigan n/a posts	Re: how to manage hyper-v from XP "Bill Grant" <not.available@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23hu2P64bJHA.5976@xxxxxx Quote: > > > "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:AE6C9CD2-6E2D-43CB-98EB-ED51AD7AEA8A@xxxxxx Quote: >> >> >> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:3B4F9D00-77FC-40F4-A897-4E44FE0B73EA@xxxxxx Quote: >>> >>> >>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote: >>> >>>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@xxxxxx >>>> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on >>>> > hyper-v >>>> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any >>>> > plans >>>> > for >>>> > a local admin tool? >>>> >>>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or >>>> Hyper-V >>>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core). >>>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry >>>> but >>>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin >>>> mode >>>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS . >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Mike Brannigan >>>> >>> >>> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run, >>> and >>> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install >>> too. >>> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool. >>> >> >> Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system >> does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire >> to have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be >> administered remotely. >> Quote: >>> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will >>> skip >>> Vista, that is a fact. >>> >> >> XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on >> October 25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in >> technoillygy term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre >> the Aug 24th 01 RTM. Either way you are using an old OS >> Quote: >>> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at >>> work, >>> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to >>> be >>> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an >>> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion). >> >> >> -- >> >> Mike Brannigan > The main problem is that XP just doesn't have the necessary bits in the > OS to run the Hyper-V MMC. Even RTM Vista doesn't. You need SP1. > Which not be a problem for anyone wanting to run the modern server platforms from Microsoft. There is really no point in Kimpsu continuing to badger about wanting an admin tool on XP when there are perfectly good options such as running your admin machine on Vista SP1, or using a RDP session to a Server 2008 machine with the admin tools installed (or run a Vista VM on the admin workstation using something like Virtual PC etc - or switch to Vista SP1 and if he has legacy apps that require XP then run those on a VM). Since to manage a Server 2008 environment remotely you need to be using the RSAT tools anyway and they require Vista SP1. This all seems like a fairly pointless discussion. -- Mike Brannigan Quote: >
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