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Old 02-02-2009   #1 (permalink)
GS


 
 

Intel virtual technology

If I turn on the computer's hardware virtual assistance in the bios, will
Virtual server be able to use it and prevent other application from using
the Intel VT privilege?


what about vpc 2007?


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Old 02-02-2009   #2 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: Intel virtual technology

Yes, Virtual Server will use the hardware virtualization if it's enabled.
And if you do so, nothing else can use it.

In my use of VT with virtual server before I moved to Hyper-V exclusively, I
found that it didn't seem to make a whole lot of difference in the
performance of a VM under Virtual Server, but it did seem to improve the
initial installation time of the VM. This was purely subjective, however,
and YMMV.

I have no experience with VPC and don't know if it even recognizes the
hardware virtualization.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"GS" <GS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> If I turn on the computer's hardware virtual assistance in the bios, will
> Virtual server be able to use it and prevent other application from using
> the Intel VT privilege?
>
>
> what about vpc 2007?
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Old 02-02-2009   #3 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP]


 
 

Re: Intel virtual technology

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:10:36 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Yes, Virtual Server will use the hardware virtualization if it's enabled.
>And if you do so, nothing else can use it.
>
>In my use of VT with virtual server before I moved to Hyper-V exclusively, I
>found that it didn't seem to make a whole lot of difference in the
>performance of a VM under Virtual Server, but it did seem to improve the
>initial installation time of the VM. This was purely subjective, however,
>and YMMV.
>
>I have no experience with VPC and don't know if it even recognizes the
>hardware virtualization.
VPC does recognize VT. VS and VPC can both run at the same time and
use VT.

However, if you try to run VPC and VMWare with VT enabled on both, it
will crash the host.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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Old 02-02-2009   #4 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: Intel virtual technology

Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)

Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
interesting.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:10:36 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
> <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>Yes, Virtual Server will use the hardware virtualization if it's enabled.
>>And if you do so, nothing else can use it.
>>
>>In my use of VT with virtual server before I moved to Hyper-V exclusively,
>>I
>>found that it didn't seem to make a whole lot of difference in the
>>performance of a VM under Virtual Server, but it did seem to improve the
>>initial installation time of the VM. This was purely subjective, however,
>>and YMMV.
>>
>>I have no experience with VPC and don't know if it even recognizes the
>>hardware virtualization.
>
> VPC does recognize VT. VS and VPC can both run at the same time and
> use VT.
>
> However, if you try to run VPC and VMWare with VT enabled on both, it
> will crash the host.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-02-2009   #5 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Intel virtual technology

>Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
Quote:

>(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)
The same way I learned it I expect.
Quote:

>Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
>interesting.
I run it that way all the time, they must have a common VT handling
layer when installed together.

--
Bob Comer


On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:04:02 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
>(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)
>
>Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
>interesting.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-03-2009   #6 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: Intel virtual technology

I'm pretty much hyper-v exclusively, now. Only limitation is my laptop,
which can't do it. (and Hyper-V and laptops aren't exactly best friends.)

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:
Quote:

> >Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
>>(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)
>
> The same way I learned it I expect.
>
Quote:

>>Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
>>interesting.
>
> I run it that way all the time, they must have a common VT handling
> layer when installed together.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:04:02 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
> <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
>>(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)
>>
>>Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
>>interesting.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-03-2009   #7 (permalink)
GS


 
 

Re: Intel virtual technology

thank you all.

I did not expect much boost from VT using Vs or VPC. I am more concerned
with security - make sure no other application can use the VT.


I do intend to run hyperv in the other partition once I got everything work
out in vs or vpc while I am using vista

I had a hard time getting ghost images into hyperv vm but from my experience
I had no problem loading vpc nor vs vm from Ghost images



As for Guess how Charlie Russel knows about BSOD form VPc and VMWare :
1 from experience
2 from others
3 form spec?

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> I'm pretty much hyper-v exclusively, now. Only limitation is my laptop,
> which can't do it. (and Hyper-V and laptops aren't exactly best friends.)
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:up7fo4p0pp9lf29a1q5rd3llma5p3hkup9@xxxxxx
Quote:
Quote:

>> >Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
>>>(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)
>>
>> The same way I learned it I expect.
>>
Quote:

>>>Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
>>>interesting.
>>
>> I run it that way all the time, they must have a common VT handling
>> layer when installed together.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:04:02 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
>> <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
>>>(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)
>>>
>>>Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
>>>interesting.
>

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Old 02-03-2009   #8 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: Intel virtual technology

Experience. I was used to running both VS and VMWare Workstation in my
virtualization environments back then. VMWare was the only way I could run
64-bit VMs then, since VS/VPC didn't support it. But I had way too many
performance issues with VMWare and the kind of usage I have, so I opted to
run primarily VS and fire up VMWare only when I needed to test against
64-bit. Then, when I bought a new box that had hardware virtualization on it
(a D930, one of the first chips that supported it), I found out quite
quickly what happens...

Shortly thereafter I got an early build of what would become Hyper-V and
never looked back.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"GS" <GS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> thank you all.
>
> I did not expect much boost from VT using Vs or VPC. I am more concerned
> with security - make sure no other application can use the VT.
>
>
> I do intend to run hyperv in the other partition once I got everything
> work out in vs or vpc while I am using vista
>
> I had a hard time getting ghost images into hyperv vm but from my
> experience I had no problem loading vpc nor vs vm from Ghost images
>
>
>
> As for Guess how Charlie Russel knows about BSOD form VPc and VMWare :
> 1 from experience
> 2 from others
> 3 form spec?
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eMFSIpchJHA.5692@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> I'm pretty much hyper-v exclusively, now. Only limitation is my laptop,
>> which can't do it. (and Hyper-V and laptops aren't exactly best friends.)
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:up7fo4p0pp9lf29a1q5rd3llma5p3hkup9@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> >Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
>>>>(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)
>>>
>>> The same way I learned it I expect.
>>>
>>>>Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
>>>>interesting.
>>>
>>> I run it that way all the time, they must have a common VT handling
>>> layer when installed together.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:04:02 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
>>> <charlie@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yeah, I knew running at the same time with VMWare was an instant BSOD.
>>>>(three guesses how I knew that, and the first two don't count.)
>>>>
>>>>Didn't realize you could run VPC and VS with both using VT. That's
>>>>interesting.
>>
>
>
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