Vista - Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc

permalink · 08-22-2009

Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The
problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest
OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE
doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID
ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not
compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other
incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround?

Thanks,
Nick.

permalink · 08-22-2009

Niewoo,

Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is
attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since
the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will
work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete
successfully.

If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers
that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace
with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a
RAID controller never existed.

So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help,
then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better.

You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a
lot easier if your not already using it.

"niewoo" wrote:

Quote:

> Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The
> problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest
> OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE
> doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID
> ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not
> compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other
> incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround?
>
> Thanks,
> Nick.

permalink · 08-22-2009

Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far:

1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS)
2. Insert old HDD
3. Map old HDD as physical drive
4. Try booting the guest OS

At this point it fails.

I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that
this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V
server?

Thanks,
Nick.

"Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:

Quote:

> Niewoo,
>
> Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is
> attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since
> the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will
> work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete
> successfully.
>
> If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers
> that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace
> with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a
> RAID controller never existed.
>
> So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help,
> then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better.
>
> You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a
> lot easier if your not already using it.
>
> "niewoo" wrote:
>

Quote:

> > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The
> > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest
> > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE
> > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID
> > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not
> > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other
> > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick.

permalink · 08-23-2009

If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to
a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have
problems booting to it.

In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server
running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008
server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any
hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could
download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals
are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration.

Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx

Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval
http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx

"niewoo" wrote:

Quote:

> Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far:
>
> 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS)
> 2. Insert old HDD
> 3. Map old HDD as physical drive
> 4. Try booting the guest OS
>
> At this point it fails.
>
> I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that
> this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V
> server?
>
> Thanks,
> Nick.
>
> "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:
>

Quote:

> > Niewoo,
> >
> > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is
> > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since
> > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will
> > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete
> > successfully.
> >
> > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers
> > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace
> > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a
> > RAID controller never existed.
> >
> > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help,
> > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better.
> >
> > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a
> > lot easier if your not already using it.
> >
> > "niewoo" wrote:
> >

Quote:

> > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The
> > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest
> > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE
> > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID
> > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not
> > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other
> > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Nick.

permalink · 08-24-2009

OK - attempting the download and installs.

THanks,
Nick.

"Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:

Quote:

> If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to
> a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have
> problems booting to it.
>
> In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server
> running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008
> server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any
> hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could
> download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals
> are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration.
>
> Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx
>
> Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval
> http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx
>
>
>
>
>
> "niewoo" wrote:
>

Quote:

> > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far:
> >
> > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS)
> > 2. Insert old HDD
> > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive
> > 4. Try booting the guest OS
> >
> > At this point it fails.
> >
> > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that
> > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V
> > server?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick.
> >
> > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:
> >

Quote:

> > > Niewoo,
> > >
> > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is
> > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since
> > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will
> > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete
> > > successfully.
> > >
> > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers
> > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace
> > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a
> > > RAID controller never existed.
> > >
> > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help,
> > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better.
> > >
> > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a
> > > lot easier if your not already using it.
> > >
> > > "niewoo" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The
> > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest
> > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE
> > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID
> > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not
> > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other
> > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Nick.

permalink · 08-24-2009

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:44:01 -0700, niewoo
<niewoo@newsgroup> wrote:

Quote:

>Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far:
>
>1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS)
>2. Insert old HDD
>3. Map old HDD as physical drive
>4. Try booting the guest OS
>
>At this point it fails.
>
>I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that
>this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V
>server?
>
>Thanks,
>Nick.

You can't boot directly off a physical drive in a VM with Virtual
Server.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

permalink · 08-25-2009

Hello - I've gotten everything installed, and now trying to run the P2V
conversions starting with an XP machine for testing. I'm getting the
following error:

"
VMM is unable to complete the request. The connection to the agent
<machine>.<domain> was lost.

Ensure that the computer <machine>.<domain> exists on the network, WMI
service and the agent are installed and running and that a firewall is not
blocking HTTP and WMI traffic.

ID: 3157
Details: The RPC server is unavailable (0x800706BA)
"

I went onto the machine and installed the "Management and Monitoring Tools"
under the windows components, but still getting the same error. The firewall
doesn't list anything under WMI* or HTTP, so not sure if they're been blocked
or not. There's nothing listed under applications that I can add to the
exceptions. Do I have to manually add the ports (not sure what ports WMI
uses), or am I missing something?

THanks,
nick.

"niewoo" wrote:

Quote:

> OK - attempting the download and installs.
>
> THanks,
> Nick.
>
> "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:
>

Quote:

> > If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to
> > a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have
> > problems booting to it.
> >
> > In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server
> > running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008
> > server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any
> > hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could
> > download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals
> > are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration.
> >
> > Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx
> >
> > Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval
> > http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "niewoo" wrote:
> >

Quote:

> > > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far:
> > >
> > > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS)
> > > 2. Insert old HDD
> > > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive
> > > 4. Try booting the guest OS
> > >
> > > At this point it fails.
> > >
> > > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that
> > > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V
> > > server?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Nick.
> > >
> > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Niewoo,
> > > >
> > > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is
> > > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since
> > > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will
> > > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete
> > > > successfully.
> > > >
> > > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers
> > > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace
> > > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a
> > > > RAID controller never existed.
> > > >
> > > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help,
> > > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better.
> > > >
> > > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a
> > > > lot easier if your not already using it.
> > > >
> > > > "niewoo" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The
> > > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest
> > > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE
> > > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID
> > > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not
> > > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other
> > > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Nick.

permalink · 08-27-2009

I manged to figure this out using the netsh command.

I'm getting part of the way through installation, but now being hit by an
Error 3101 below.

I'm finding some references to this being some IBM SAN issue ... sound
reasonable?

Error (3101)
VMM failed to mount VHD file
F:\SERVER08-EVAL_VMM_DEF_PATH\<machine>\C_2009-08-26T222320.vhd on the
SERVER08-EVAL.<domain> server. A timeout occurred.
(Internal error code: 0x80990C1D)

Recommended Action
Check Device Manager/System Devices to make sure that Microsoft Virtual
Server Storage Bus is installed and functional. If it is not, install
VHDMount component of Virtual Server. Restart Virtual Disk Service, and then
try the operation again.

"niewoo" wrote:

Quote:

> Hello - I've gotten everything installed, and now trying to run the P2V
> conversions starting with an XP machine for testing. I'm getting the
> following error:
>
> "
> VMM is unable to complete the request. The connection to the agent
> <machine>.<domain> was lost.
>
> Ensure that the computer <machine>.<domain> exists on the network, WMI
> service and the agent are installed and running and that a firewall is not
> blocking HTTP and WMI traffic.
>
> ID: 3157
> Details: The RPC server is unavailable (0x800706BA)
> "
>
> I went onto the machine and installed the "Management and Monitoring Tools"
> under the windows components, but still getting the same error. The firewall
> doesn't list anything under WMI* or HTTP, so not sure if they're been blocked
> or not. There's nothing listed under applications that I can add to the
> exceptions. Do I have to manually add the ports (not sure what ports WMI
> uses), or am I missing something?
>
> THanks,
> nick.
>
> "niewoo" wrote:
>

Quote:

> > OK - attempting the download and installs.
> >
> > THanks,
> > Nick.
> >
> > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:
> >

Quote:

> > > If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to
> > > a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have
> > > problems booting to it.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server
> > > running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008
> > > server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any
> > > hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could
> > > download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals
> > > are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration.
> > >
> > > Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx
> > >
> > > Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "niewoo" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS)
> > > > 2. Insert old HDD
> > > > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive
> > > > 4. Try booting the guest OS
> > > >
> > > > At this point it fails.
> > > >
> > > > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that
> > > > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V
> > > > server?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Nick.
> > > >
> > > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Niewoo,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is
> > > > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since
> > > > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will
> > > > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete
> > > > > successfully.
> > > > >
> > > > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers
> > > > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace
> > > > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a
> > > > > RAID controller never existed.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help,
> > > > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a
> > > > > lot easier if your not already using it.
> > > > >
> > > > > "niewoo" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The
> > > > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest
> > > > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE
> > > > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID
> > > > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not
> > > > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other
> > > > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Nick.

permalink · 08-27-2009

Well, it does appear that VHDMOUNT.EXE is not installed on the machine. I
don't seem to be able to find out how to install it. Its not listed under
windows features / roles / etc. Seems that this should be a part of Virtual
Server default installation from what I can tell. So did my install fail
somehow? Is there a way to patch this without doing the whole installation
again?

Thanks,
nick.

"niewoo" wrote:

Quote:

> I manged to figure this out using the netsh command.
>
> I'm getting part of the way through installation, but now being hit by an
> Error 3101 below.
>
> I'm finding some references to this being some IBM SAN issue ... sound
> reasonable?
>
> Error (3101)
> VMM failed to mount VHD file
> F:\SERVER08-EVAL_VMM_DEF_PATH\<machine>\C_2009-08-26T222320.vhd on the
> SERVER08-EVAL.<domain> server. A timeout occurred.
> (Internal error code: 0x80990C1D)
>
> Recommended Action
> Check Device Manager/System Devices to make sure that Microsoft Virtual
> Server Storage Bus is installed and functional. If it is not, install
> VHDMount component of Virtual Server. Restart Virtual Disk Service, and then
> try the operation again.
>
> "niewoo" wrote:
>

Quote:

> > Hello - I've gotten everything installed, and now trying to run the P2V
> > conversions starting with an XP machine for testing. I'm getting the
> > following error:
> >
> > "
> > VMM is unable to complete the request. The connection to the agent
> > <machine>.<domain> was lost.
> >
> > Ensure that the computer <machine>.<domain> exists on the network, WMI
> > service and the agent are installed and running and that a firewall is not
> > blocking HTTP and WMI traffic.
> >
> > ID: 3157
> > Details: The RPC server is unavailable (0x800706BA)
> > "
> >
> > I went onto the machine and installed the "Management and Monitoring Tools"
> > under the windows components, but still getting the same error. The firewall
> > doesn't list anything under WMI* or HTTP, so not sure if they're been blocked
> > or not. There's nothing listed under applications that I can add to the
> > exceptions. Do I have to manually add the ports (not sure what ports WMI
> > uses), or am I missing something?
> >
> > THanks,
> > nick.
> >
> > "niewoo" wrote:
> >

Quote:

> > > OK - attempting the download and installs.
> > >
> > > THanks,
> > > Nick.
> > >
> > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:
> > >
> > > > If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to
> > > > a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have
> > > > problems booting to it.
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server
> > > > running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008
> > > > server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any
> > > > hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could
> > > > download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals
> > > > are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration.
> > > >
> > > > Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx
> > > >
> > > > Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "niewoo" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS)
> > > > > 2. Insert old HDD
> > > > > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive
> > > > > 4. Try booting the guest OS
> > > > >
> > > > > At this point it fails.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that
> > > > > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V
> > > > > server?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Nick.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Niewoo,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is
> > > > > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since
> > > > > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will
> > > > > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete
> > > > > > successfully.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers
> > > > > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace
> > > > > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a
> > > > > > RAID controller never existed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help,
> > > > > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a
> > > > > > lot easier if your not already using it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "niewoo" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The
> > > > > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest
> > > > > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE
> > > > > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID
> > > > > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not
> > > > > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other
> > > > > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Nick.

08-22-2009	#1 (permalink)
niewoo n/a posts	Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround? Thanks, Nick.
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08-22-2009	#2 (permalink)
Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA) n/a posts	RE: Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc Niewoo, Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete successfully. If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a RAID controller never existed. So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help, then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better. You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a lot easier if your not already using it. "niewoo" wrote: Quote: > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround? > > Thanks, > Nick.
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08-22-2009	#3 (permalink)
niewoo n/a posts	RE: Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far: 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS) 2. Insert old HDD 3. Map old HDD as physical drive 4. Try booting the guest OS At this point it fails. I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V server? Thanks, Nick. "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: Quote: > Niewoo, > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete > successfully. > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a > RAID controller never existed. > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help, > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better. > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a > lot easier if your not already using it. > > "niewoo" wrote: > Quote: > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround? > > > > Thanks, > > Nick.
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08-23-2009	#4 (permalink)
Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA) n/a posts	RE: Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have problems booting to it. In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008 server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration. Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx "niewoo" wrote: Quote: > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far: > > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS) > 2. Insert old HDD > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive > 4. Try booting the guest OS > > At this point it fails. > > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V > server? > > Thanks, > Nick. > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: > Quote: > > Niewoo, > > > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete > > successfully. > > > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a > > RAID controller never existed. > > > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help, > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better. > > > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a > > lot easier if your not already using it. > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > Quote: > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Nick.
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08-24-2009	#5 (permalink)
niewoo n/a posts	RE: Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc OK - attempting the download and installs. THanks, Nick. "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: Quote: > If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to > a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have > problems booting to it. > > In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server > running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008 > server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any > hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could > download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals > are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration. > > Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx > > Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval > http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx > > > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > Quote: > > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far: > > > > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS) > > 2. Insert old HDD > > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive > > 4. Try booting the guest OS > > > > At this point it fails. > > > > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that > > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V > > server? > > > > Thanks, > > Nick. > > > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: > > Quote: > > > Niewoo, > > > > > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is > > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since > > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will > > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete > > > successfully. > > > > > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers > > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace > > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a > > > RAID controller never existed. > > > > > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help, > > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better. > > > > > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a > > > lot easier if your not already using it. > > > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The > > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest > > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE > > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID > > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not > > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other > > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick.
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08-24-2009	#6 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP] n/a posts	Re: Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:44:01 -0700, niewoo <niewoo@newsgroup> wrote: Quote: >Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far: > >1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS) >2. Insert old HDD >3. Map old HDD as physical drive >4. Try booting the guest OS > >At this point it fails. > >I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that >this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V >server? > >Thanks, >Nick. You can't boot directly off a physical drive in a VM with Virtual Server. -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/
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08-25-2009	#7 (permalink)
niewoo n/a posts	RE: Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc Hello - I've gotten everything installed, and now trying to run the P2V conversions starting with an XP machine for testing. I'm getting the following error: " VMM is unable to complete the request. The connection to the agent <machine>.<domain> was lost. Ensure that the computer <machine>.<domain> exists on the network, WMI service and the agent are installed and running and that a firewall is not blocking HTTP and WMI traffic. ID: 3157 Details: The RPC server is unavailable (0x800706BA) " I went onto the machine and installed the "Management and Monitoring Tools" under the windows components, but still getting the same error. The firewall doesn't list anything under WMI* or HTTP, so not sure if they're been blocked or not. There's nothing listed under applications that I can add to the exceptions. Do I have to manually add the ports (not sure what ports WMI uses), or am I missing something? THanks, nick. "niewoo" wrote: Quote: > OK - attempting the download and installs. > > THanks, > Nick. > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: > Quote: > > If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to > > a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have > > problems booting to it. > > > > In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server > > running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008 > > server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any > > hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could > > download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals > > are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration. > > > > Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx > > > > Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval > > http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > Quote: > > > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far: > > > > > > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS) > > > 2. Insert old HDD > > > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive > > > 4. Try booting the guest OS > > > > > > At this point it fails. > > > > > > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that > > > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V > > > server? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Nick. > > > > > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: > > > > > > > Niewoo, > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is > > > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since > > > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will > > > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete > > > > successfully. > > > > > > > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers > > > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace > > > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a > > > > RAID controller never existed. > > > > > > > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help, > > > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better. > > > > > > > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a > > > > lot easier if your not already using it. > > > > > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The > > > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest > > > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE > > > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID > > > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not > > > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other > > > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Nick.
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08-27-2009	#8 (permalink)
niewoo n/a posts	RE: Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc I manged to figure this out using the netsh command. I'm getting part of the way through installation, but now being hit by an Error 3101 below. I'm finding some references to this being some IBM SAN issue ... sound reasonable? Error (3101) VMM failed to mount VHD file F:\SERVER08-EVAL_VMM_DEF_PATH\<machine>\C_2009-08-26T222320.vhd on the SERVER08-EVAL.<domain> server. A timeout occurred. (Internal error code: 0x80990C1D) Recommended Action Check Device Manager/System Devices to make sure that Microsoft Virtual Server Storage Bus is installed and functional. If it is not, install VHDMount component of Virtual Server. Restart Virtual Disk Service, and then try the operation again. "niewoo" wrote: Quote: > Hello - I've gotten everything installed, and now trying to run the P2V > conversions starting with an XP machine for testing. I'm getting the > following error: > > " > VMM is unable to complete the request. The connection to the agent > <machine>.<domain> was lost. > > Ensure that the computer <machine>.<domain> exists on the network, WMI > service and the agent are installed and running and that a firewall is not > blocking HTTP and WMI traffic. > > ID: 3157 > Details: The RPC server is unavailable (0x800706BA) > " > > I went onto the machine and installed the "Management and Monitoring Tools" > under the windows components, but still getting the same error. The firewall > doesn't list anything under WMI* or HTTP, so not sure if they're been blocked > or not. There's nothing listed under applications that I can add to the > exceptions. Do I have to manually add the ports (not sure what ports WMI > uses), or am I missing something? > > THanks, > nick. > > "niewoo" wrote: > Quote: > > OK - attempting the download and installs. > > > > THanks, > > Nick. > > > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: > > Quote: > > > If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to > > > a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have > > > problems booting to it. > > > > > > In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server > > > running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008 > > > server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any > > > hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could > > > download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals > > > are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration. > > > > > > Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx > > > > > > Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval > > > http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far: > > > > > > > > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS) > > > > 2. Insert old HDD > > > > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive > > > > 4. Try booting the guest OS > > > > > > > > At this point it fails. > > > > > > > > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that > > > > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V > > > > server? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick. > > > > > > > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Niewoo, > > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is > > > > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since > > > > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will > > > > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete > > > > > successfully. > > > > > > > > > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers > > > > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace > > > > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a > > > > > RAID controller never existed. > > > > > > > > > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help, > > > > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better. > > > > > > > > > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a > > > > > lot easier if your not already using it. > > > > > > > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The > > > > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest > > > > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE > > > > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID > > > > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not > > > > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other > > > > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Nick.
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08-27-2009	#9 (permalink)
niewoo n/a posts	RE: Loading a Guest OS from a physical RAID-1 array member disc Well, it does appear that VHDMOUNT.EXE is not installed on the machine. I don't seem to be able to find out how to install it. Its not listed under windows features / roles / etc. Seems that this should be a part of Virtual Server default installation from what I can tell. So did my install fail somehow? Is there a way to patch this without doing the whole installation again? Thanks, nick. "niewoo" wrote: Quote: > I manged to figure this out using the netsh command. > > I'm getting part of the way through installation, but now being hit by an > Error 3101 below. > > I'm finding some references to this being some IBM SAN issue ... sound > reasonable? > > Error (3101) > VMM failed to mount VHD file > F:\SERVER08-EVAL_VMM_DEF_PATH\<machine>\C_2009-08-26T222320.vhd on the > SERVER08-EVAL.<domain> server. A timeout occurred. > (Internal error code: 0x80990C1D) > > Recommended Action > Check Device Manager/System Devices to make sure that Microsoft Virtual > Server Storage Bus is installed and functional. If it is not, install > VHDMount component of Virtual Server. Restart Virtual Disk Service, and then > try the operation again. > > "niewoo" wrote: > Quote: > > Hello - I've gotten everything installed, and now trying to run the P2V > > conversions starting with an XP machine for testing. I'm getting the > > following error: > > > > " > > VMM is unable to complete the request. The connection to the agent > > <machine>.<domain> was lost. > > > > Ensure that the computer <machine>.<domain> exists on the network, WMI > > service and the agent are installed and running and that a firewall is not > > blocking HTTP and WMI traffic. > > > > ID: 3157 > > Details: The RPC server is unavailable (0x800706BA) > > " > > > > I went onto the machine and installed the "Management and Monitoring Tools" > > under the windows components, but still getting the same error. The firewall > > doesn't list anything under WMI* or HTTP, so not sure if they're been blocked > > or not. There's nothing listed under applications that I can add to the > > exceptions. Do I have to manually add the ports (not sure what ports WMI > > uses), or am I missing something? > > > > THanks, > > nick. > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > Quote: > > > OK - attempting the download and installs. > > > > > > THanks, > > > Nick. > > > > > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: > > > > > > > If the drive you are mapping your VM to was part of a mirror set connected to > > > > a RAID controller, then when seperated its expected that you would have > > > > problems booting to it. > > > > > > > > In my opinion, a P2V would be the easiest approach to getting the old server > > > > running as a VM. However, in order to us VMM you will need a Windows 2008 > > > > server as this can't be installed on the Hyper-V Server. If you have any > > > > hardware available thats capable of supporting a 64 bit OS, then you could > > > > download the eval versions of Server 2008 R2 and VMM08. I believe the evals > > > > are good for 180 days which be plenty of time to complete a P2V migration. > > > > > > > > Windows Server 2008 R2 Eval > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...-software.aspx > > > > > > > > Virtual Machine Manger 2008 Eval > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...-software.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, I haven't gotten to the point of the conversion. What I've done so far: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Create a new VM (without installing a guest OS) > > > > > 2. Insert old HDD > > > > > 3. Map old HDD as physical drive > > > > > 4. Try booting the guest OS > > > > > > > > > > At this point it fails. > > > > > > > > > > I've looked at doing P2V conversion using VMM, but my impression is that > > > > > this needs full Server2008 to work, or will it work on just the Hyper-V > > > > > server? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Nick. > > > > > > > > > > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Niewoo, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to make sure I am following you, I assume what you have done here is > > > > > > attempt to convert an older physical server to a virtual machine and since > > > > > > the conversion you aren't able to boot the machine successfully. This will > > > > > > work just fine, but sounds like you have a conversion that didn't complete > > > > > > successfully. > > > > > > > > > > > > If converting with a solution like MSFT Virtual Machine Manager the drivers > > > > > > that the server are currently using for the RAID controller with be replace > > > > > > with emulated or synthetic drivers that will allow the VM to boot as if a > > > > > > RAID controller never existed. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I would try with recreating the VM config file. If that doesn't help, > > > > > > then maybe attempt the P2V again to see if the server boot any better. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can download a eval copy of VMM08 that will allow make this process a > > > > > > lot easier if your not already using it. > > > > > > > > > > > > "niewoo" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, I'm trying to launch a guest OS on a disc from an old machine. The > > > > > > > problem is that the OS disc was part of a RAID-1 array (mirrored). The guest > > > > > > > OS boots partially, but dies relatively quickly. Starting in SAFE MODE > > > > > > > doesn't work either. I suspect this is because the OS was installed RAID > > > > > > > ready (F6 during boot), and the driver installed at that point is not > > > > > > > compatible with a non-RAID controller. Assuming this is it an not some other > > > > > > > incompatibilty, has anyone attempted this before and found a workaround? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Nick.
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