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Old 10-01-2009   #1 (permalink)
Ted


 
 

USB support really required in Hyper-V

If there is a question, here is an answer.

I have made a backup of my PC and stored the image in the USB hard-drive.
Then, try to restore it to VM using a bare metal scenario on Hyper-V. As a VM cannot access USB drive directly, you simply cannot do bare metal restore.

Result, you have to do work around ways such as share the drive on network and use restore with network support or mount another a VM with OS and attach new Vhd and copy image onto that drive and then attach to new VM.

Whatever way, those definitely are more troublesome which we would have simply avoided with USB support.

Here is my question back to you. What is the reason Hyper-V not to support USB directly?



Benjamin Armstrong [MSFT] wrote:

Re: Hyper-V and USB
19-Nov-07

What are your reasons for needing USB on a server virtual machine?

Cheers,
Benjamin Armstrong
============================
Windows Virtualization Program Manager
Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/Virtual_PC_Guy
Book: http://tinyurl.com/ysxcbm

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Old 10-01-2009   #2 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: USB support really required in Hyper-V

Teams make design decisions for a variety of reasons, not all of which we
might agree with. In the case of USB support, I suspect it was a combination
of resources and a lack of belief that USB was necessary for enterprise
scenarios. I do know that a senior Hyper-V person posted a blog article at
one point that "shipping is a feature". IOW, they had to make decisions
about what to include in order to actually ship the product. Makes sense to
me.

There ARE third party solutions for USB support inside VMs. They don't work
for bare metal recovery. OTOH, Hyper-V R2 supports hot add/remove of VHDs,
which does work for bare metal recovery. And there are other, more
enterprise oriented, ways to handle backups that also work.

--
Charlie.
http:/msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64


"Ted" wrote in message news:20091016247auto.tho@newsgroup
Quote:

> If there is a question, here is an answer.
>
> I have made a backup of my PC and stored the image in the USB hard-drive.
> Then, try to restore it to VM using a bare metal scenario on Hyper-V. As a
> VM cannot access USB drive directly, you simply cannot do bare metal
> restore.
>
> Result, you have to do work around ways such as share the drive on network
> and use restore with network support or mount another a VM with OS and
> attach new Vhd and copy image onto that drive and then attach to new VM.
>
> Whatever way, those definitely are more troublesome which we would have
> simply avoided with USB support.
>
> Here is my question back to you. What is the reason Hyper-V not to support
> USB directly?
>
>
>
> Benjamin Armstrong [MSFT] wrote:
>
> Re: Hyper-V and USB
> 19-Nov-07
>
> What are your reasons for needing USB on a server virtual machine?
>
> Cheers,
> Benjamin Armstrong
> ============================
> Windows Virtualization Program Manager
> Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/Virtual_PC_Guy
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/ysxcbm
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. You assume all risk for your use.
>
> jex wrote:
>
> EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice
> WPF DataGrid Custom Paging and Sorting
> http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...tom-pagin.aspx
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Old 10-01-2009   #3 (permalink)
Ryan


 
 

Re: USB support really required in Hyper-V

Really?

I have a live VM and try to hot add a VHD and all those options are
grayed out in Hyper-V R2 Server 2008.

Could you give some examples of backups that handle bare metal recovery
of Hyper-V servers?


Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
OTOH, Hyper-V R2 supports hot add/remove
Quote:

> of VHDs, which does work for bare metal recovery. And there are other,
> more enterprise oriented, ways to handle backups that also work.
>
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Old 10-02-2009   #4 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: USB support really required in Hyper-V

If it's a VM that you migrated from RTM Hyper-V, it probably doesn't have
the SCSI adapter. Try recreating it.

--
Charlie.
http:/msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64


"Ryan" <mindflux98@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:ha2f9c$mi1$1@newsgroup-september.org...
Quote:

> Really?
>
> I have a live VM and try to hot add a VHD and all those options are grayed
> out in Hyper-V R2 Server 2008.
>
> Could you give some examples of backups that handle bare metal recovery of
> Hyper-V servers?
>
>
> Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
> OTOH, Hyper-V R2 supports hot add/remove
Quote:

>> of VHDs, which does work for bare metal recovery. And there are other,
>> more enterprise oriented, ways to handle backups that also work.
>>
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Old 10-02-2009   #5 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: USB support really required in Hyper-V

DPM works great with Hyper-V. As do other VSS aware backups.

--
Charlie.
http:/msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64


"Ryan" <mindflux98@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:ha2f9c$mi1$1@newsgroup-september.org...
Quote:

> Really?
>
> I have a live VM and try to hot add a VHD and all those options are grayed
> out in Hyper-V R2 Server 2008.
>
> Could you give some examples of backups that handle bare metal recovery of
> Hyper-V servers?
>
>
> Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
> OTOH, Hyper-V R2 supports hot add/remove
Quote:

>> of VHDs, which does work for bare metal recovery. And there are other,
>> more enterprise oriented, ways to handle backups that also work.
>>
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Old 10-02-2009   #6 (permalink)
Ryan


 
 

Re: USB support really required in Hyper-V

No this is a clean install of Hyper-V R2. I did no migration anywhere.
Maybe I missed something?


Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
Quote:

> If it's a VM that you migrated from RTM Hyper-V, it probably doesn't
> have the SCSI adapter. Try recreating it.
>
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Old 10-02-2009   #7 (permalink)
Charlie Russel - MVP


 
 

Re: USB support really required in Hyper-V

Not sure what the issue is, then. Running Server 2k8 VM, right click, Select
Settings, select the SCSI adapter in the left pane, select add hard drive.

Note: you'll need to be running Integration services on the VM, and using
the 2k8R2 version of the Hyper-V Manager.

--
Charlie.
http:/msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64


"Ryan" <Mindflux98@newsgroup> wrote in message
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Quote:

> No this is a clean install of Hyper-V R2. I did no migration anywhere.
> Maybe I missed something?
>
>
> Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
Quote:

>> If it's a VM that you migrated from RTM Hyper-V, it probably doesn't have
>> the SCSI adapter. Try recreating it.
>>
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Old 10-02-2009   #8 (permalink)
Ryan


 
 

Re: USB support really required in Hyper-V

Hrmm.. those could be part of my problem.

I'm running Hyper-V R2 Server 2008 (the free one) and the Hyper-V
manager is whatever version is in RSAT for Vista.



Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
Quote:

> Not sure what the issue is, then. Running Server 2k8 VM, right click,
> Select Settings, select the SCSI adapter in the left pane, select add
> hard drive.
>
> Note: you'll need to be running Integration services on the VM, and
> using the 2k8R2 version of the Hyper-V Manager.
>
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Old 4 Weeks Ago   #9 (permalink)
GS


 
 

Re: USB support really required in Hyper-V

so one must use the hyper-v manager not vm to be able hot plug?

"Ryan" <mindflux98@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:ha4v2o$9ah$1@newsgroup-september.org...
Quote:

> Hrmm.. those could be part of my problem.
>
> I'm running Hyper-V R2 Server 2008 (the free one) and the Hyper-V
> manager is whatever version is in RSAT for Vista.
>
>
>
> Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
Quote:

> > Not sure what the issue is, then. Running Server 2k8 VM, right click,
> > Select Settings, select the SCSI adapter in the left pane, select add
> > hard drive.
> >
> > Note: you'll need to be running Integration services on the VM, and
> > using the 2k8R2 version of the Hyper-V Manager.
> >

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