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  1. #1


    SirOssis Guest

    ADMINPAK.MSI

    OK here's the million dollar question!

    I there a version of ADMINPAK.MSI that will run on Windows Vista?

    From what I can find out...the is not..but I could be wrong.

    If there is not tool seems like Microsoft has gone through alot of troble to
    NOT answer this question.

    For example look at the following article or the 50 others I found:
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];304718

    List every OS but Vista. Would it be that hard to have some grunt at MS to
    update this article to say "Vista is (or is not) current not supported"?

    Could they not just put a note on the ADMINPAK.MSI download page that says
    "Vista currently not supported please use RDP Client to log in to a supported
    version" or "Vista is supported please click the following link".

    Honestly I don't think it would be to much to ask to just not leave all of
    us hanging and searching around on thier website like fools for a non
    existant solution. If it is not supported JUST SAY SO!

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  2. #2


    Ronnie Vernon MVP Guest

    Re: ADMINPAK.MSI

    The KB articles like the one you cited are reviewed, on a regular basis, for
    accuracy, changes, and updates. Article 304718 was last reviewed on January
    19, 2007. I haven't heard about the adminpak being available for Vista yet.

    --

    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Shell/User


    "SirOssis" <SirOssis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:B17B27CA-A83D-416C-BB74-0726B7A15490@microsoft.com...
    > OK here's the million dollar question!
    >
    > I there a version of ADMINPAK.MSI that will run on Windows Vista?
    >
    > From what I can find out...the is not..but I could be wrong.
    >
    > If there is not tool seems like Microsoft has gone through alot of troble
    > to
    > NOT answer this question.
    >
    > For example look at the following article or the 50 others I found:
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];304718
    >
    > List every OS but Vista. Would it be that hard to have some grunt at MS to
    > update this article to say "Vista is (or is not) current not supported"?
    >
    > Could they not just put a note on the ADMINPAK.MSI download page that says
    > "Vista currently not supported please use RDP Client to log in to a
    > supported
    > version" or "Vista is supported please click the following link".
    >
    > Honestly I don't think it would be to much to ask to just not leave all of
    > us hanging and searching around on thier website like fools for a non
    > existant solution. If it is not supported JUST SAY SO!



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  3. #3


    Stuart [MVP] Guest

    RE: ADMINPAK.MSI

    The Windoes Server 2003 AP1 Admin PAK will install on Vista (RTM). You may
    have to install it a couple of times as sometimes not all the DLLs register
    correctly. (You'll know if some of the tools produce errors on startup).
    There are still a few tools that don't work under Vista, but the main ones do.

    Regards,

    Stuart.
    -----------

    "SirOssis" wrote:

    > OK here's the million dollar question!
    >
    > I there a version of ADMINPAK.MSI that will run on Windows Vista?
    >
    > From what I can find out...the is not..but I could be wrong.
    >
    > If there is not tool seems like Microsoft has gone through alot of troble to
    > NOT answer this question.
    >
    > For example look at the following article or the 50 others I found:
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];304718
    >
    > List every OS but Vista. Would it be that hard to have some grunt at MS to
    > update this article to say "Vista is (or is not) current not supported"?
    >
    > Could they not just put a note on the ADMINPAK.MSI download page that says
    > "Vista currently not supported please use RDP Client to log in to a supported
    > version" or "Vista is supported please click the following link".
    >
    > Honestly I don't think it would be to much to ask to just not leave all of
    > us hanging and searching around on thier website like fools for a non
    > existant solution. If it is not supported JUST SAY SO!


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  4. #4


    SirOssis Guest

    RE: ADMINPAK.MSI

    There is a KB article describing how to install the ADMINPAK.MSI on Vista:

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930056

    THANKS Microsoft that at least answers the question!

    HOWEVER...

    If all that's required for the Adminpak.msi to work is to create the
    "RegisterAdminPak.cmd" script (as described in the article) to register some
    dll's with enhanced security then WHY hasn't Microsoft just come out with a
    new installer that does this for you???

    I guess they assume that it is a "rare" case that someone would want to use
    the administration tools for AD on a vista box. Maybe Microsoft think that
    Vista is just a glorified Fisher Price Activity Center for grown-ups, so no
    self respecting network administrator is ever going to use it.

    Just food for thought...

    ________________________________________________________________

    "Stuart [MVP]" wrote:

    > The Windoes Server 2003 AP1 Admin PAK will install on Vista (RTM). You may
    > have to install it a couple of times as sometimes not all the DLLs register
    > correctly. (You'll know if some of the tools produce errors on startup).
    > There are still a few tools that don't work under Vista, but the main ones do.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Stuart.
    > -----------
    >
    > "SirOssis" wrote:
    >
    > > OK here's the million dollar question!
    > >
    > > I there a version of ADMINPAK.MSI that will run on Windows Vista?
    > >
    > > From what I can find out...the is not..but I could be wrong.
    > >
    > > If there is not tool seems like Microsoft has gone through alot of troble to
    > > NOT answer this question.
    > >
    > > For example look at the following article or the 50 others I found:
    > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];304718
    > >
    > > List every OS but Vista. Would it be that hard to have some grunt at MS to
    > > update this article to say "Vista is (or is not) current not supported"?
    > >
    > > Could they not just put a note on the ADMINPAK.MSI download page that says
    > > "Vista currently not supported please use RDP Client to log in to a supported
    > > version" or "Vista is supported please click the following link".
    > >
    > > Honestly I don't think it would be to much to ask to just not leave all of
    > > us hanging and searching around on thier website like fools for a non
    > > existant solution. If it is not supported JUST SAY SO!


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  5. #5


    Ronnie Vernon MVP Guest

    Re: ADMINPAK.MSI

    That KB article describes a way to use some of the tools for those that want
    to use them in Vista.
    From what I have been able to find out, the new AdminPak Tools will not be
    finalized and released
    until Longhorn Server (currently in beta) is released later this year.

    --

    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Shell/User


    "SirOssis" <SirOssis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:12D1E21B-4024-4227-921C-9598C22C9F85@microsoft.com...
    > There is a KB article describing how to install the ADMINPAK.MSI on Vista:
    >
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930056
    >
    > THANKS Microsoft that at least answers the question!
    >
    > HOWEVER...
    >
    > If all that's required for the Adminpak.msi to work is to create the
    > "RegisterAdminPak.cmd" script (as described in the article) to register
    > some
    > dll's with enhanced security then WHY hasn't Microsoft just come out with
    > a
    > new installer that does this for you???
    >
    > I guess they assume that it is a "rare" case that someone would want to
    > use
    > the administration tools for AD on a vista box. Maybe Microsoft think that
    > Vista is just a glorified Fisher Price Activity Center for grown-ups, so
    > no
    > self respecting network administrator is ever going to use it.
    >
    > Just food for thought...
    >
    > ________________________________________________________________
    >
    > "Stuart [MVP]" wrote:
    >
    >> The Windoes Server 2003 AP1 Admin PAK will install on Vista (RTM). You
    >> may
    >> have to install it a couple of times as sometimes not all the DLLs
    >> register
    >> correctly. (You'll know if some of the tools produce errors on startup).
    >> There are still a few tools that don't work under Vista, but the main
    >> ones do.
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >>
    >> Stuart.
    >> -----------
    >>
    >> "SirOssis" wrote:
    >>
    >> > OK here's the million dollar question!
    >> >
    >> > I there a version of ADMINPAK.MSI that will run on Windows Vista?
    >> >
    >> > From what I can find out...the is not..but I could be wrong.
    >> >
    >> > If there is not tool seems like Microsoft has gone through alot of
    >> > troble to
    >> > NOT answer this question.
    >> >
    >> > For example look at the following article or the 50 others I found:
    >> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];304718
    >> >
    >> > List every OS but Vista. Would it be that hard to have some grunt at MS
    >> > to
    >> > update this article to say "Vista is (or is not) current not
    >> > supported"?
    >> >
    >> > Could they not just put a note on the ADMINPAK.MSI download page that
    >> > says
    >> > "Vista currently not supported please use RDP Client to log in to a
    >> > supported
    >> > version" or "Vista is supported please click the following link".
    >> >
    >> > Honestly I don't think it would be to much to ask to just not leave all
    >> > of
    >> > us hanging and searching around on thier website like fools for a non
    >> > existant solution. If it is not supported JUST SAY SO!



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  6. #6


    Arteekay Guest

    Re: ADMINPAK.MSI


    "SirOssis" <SirOssis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:12D1E21B-4024-4227-921C-9598C22C9F85@microsoft.com...
    >
    > I guess they assume that it is a "rare" case that someone would want to
    > use
    > the administration tools for AD on a vista box. Maybe Microsoft think that
    > Vista is just a glorified Fisher Price Activity Center for grown-ups, so
    > no
    > self respecting network administrator is ever going to use it.
    >
    > Just food for thought...


    MS has always catered more to the corporate world than the home market. Any
    self respecting netadmin has been testing Vista for months.


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  7. #7


    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) Guest

    Re: ADMINPAK.MSI

    On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:10:39 -0600, "Arteekay" <nott@chance.com>
    >"SirOssis" <SirOssis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message


    >> I guess they assume that it is a "rare" case that someone would want to
    >> use the administration tools for AD on a vista box.


    Hardly...

    >> Maybe Microsoft think that Vista is just a glorified Fisher Price
    >> Activity Center for grown-ups,


    No, that was more the "value add" that the XP UI brought to Win2000

    >> so no self respecting network administrator is ever going to use it.


    >MS has always catered more to the corporate world than the home market. Any
    >self respecting netadmin has been testing Vista for months.


    Yep - there's a huge thrust in Vista to improve things for pro-IT.
    Vista went RTM for enterprises in November 2006, so they could enjoy
    more lead time, before the rest of us got it on 30 January 2007.

    Much of Vista's management will make more sense once Longhorn Server
    comes out, so some of Vista's capabilities may not be as effectively
    managed or implimented as yet.

    XP was more than just that tacky Fisher-Price "My User Interface"
    draped over Win2000, and Vista is considerably more than a new-'faced
    XP. Also, you'll see that even the UI has moved away from XP's
    panting search dog and condescending "My" this and "My" that; it may
    be shiny, but it treats you like an interested grown-up, rather than a
    rube to be Barnum'd or a toddler to be seduced with candy.



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