Vista - Vista permissions

Vista permissions
This permission thing needs to be removed entirely
Can’t even install Acrobat reader, install Run won’t work
Save TO DISK, RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR, won’t work
Even browsing documents and settings is not allowed
I even went threw all the security setting and claimed ownership
All to no avail
Again MS is missing the point
This is my computer and I am the administrator
This run as administrator needs to be removed
We are the administrator
And if we want to break our computer than let us !

Is this just a venting session?

If you want help, please provide more detail and then formulate a question.


"rservicer" <rservicer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:229F7DDD-B9CD-49B2-A557-C1BF844DCD2A@microsoft.com...
> Vista permissions
> This permission thing needs to be removed entirely
> Can’t even install Acrobat reader, install Run won’t work
> Save TO DISK, RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR, won’t work
> Even browsing documents and settings is not allowed
> I even went threw all the security setting and claimed ownership
> All to no avail
> Again MS is missing the point
> This is my computer and I am the administrator
> This run as administrator needs to be removed
> We are the administrator
> And if we want to break our computer than let us !
>

"rservicer" <rservicer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:229F7DDD-B9CD-49B2-A557-C1BF844DCD2A@microsoft.com...
> Vista permissions
> This permission thing needs to be removed entirely
> Can’t even install Acrobat reader, install Run won’t work
> Save TO DISK, RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR, won’t work
> Even browsing documents and settings is not allowed
> I even went threw all the security setting and claimed ownership
> All to no avail
> Again MS is missing the point
> This is my computer and I am the administrator
> This run as administrator needs to be removed
> We are the administrator
> And if we want to break our computer than let us !
>

Your inability to install Acrobat Reader is a known issue with the Adobe
software - THEY have addressed this with a support note explaining exactly
how to install THEIR product on Vista - and yes it does work.
So go to the adobe web site and read the note
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowled...t=vista%20temp

So prior to blaming the OS you should do a little more research and
understand that some vendors have not updated THEIR products to work in the
more secure environment afforded to you by Windows Vista.

--

Mike Brannigan

Mike Thank You, I Like your Fire, That Worked > XP compatibility

I did search on Adobe for an answer to this but found none
thank you for the link :-)

This is a clean install on a new HD and it has not gone well, Still have
Issues with Lockup, Dual Boot XP is fine, Removed all programs that were not
compatible utilizing Vista adviser, but issues remain
every install of a program results in a lockup requireing a power cycle to
reboot
then the install goes well,
this happens on every install of a program, even this one of Acrobat


"Mike Brannigan" wrote:

>
> "rservicer" <rservicer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:229F7DDD-B9CD-49B2-A557-C1BF844DCD2A@microsoft.com...
> > Vista permissions
> > This permission thing needs to be removed entirely
> > Can’t even install Acrobat reader, install Run won’t work
> > Save TO DISK, RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR, won’t work
> > Even browsing documents and settings is not allowed
> > I even went threw all the security setting and claimed ownership
> > All to no avail
> > Again MS is missing the point
> > This is my computer and I am the administrator
> > This run as administrator needs to be removed
> > We are the administrator
> > And if we want to break our computer than let us !
> >
>
> Your inability to install Acrobat Reader is a known issue with the Adobe
> software - THEY have addressed this with a support note explaining exactly
> how to install THEIR product on Vista - and yes it does work.
> So go to the adobe web site and read the note
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowled...t=vista%20temp
>
> So prior to blaming the OS you should do a little more research and
> understand that some vendors have not updated THEIR products to work in the
> more secure environment afforded to you by Windows Vista.
>
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan
>
>

It's not marked as a question, it's marked as a comment. There's nothing
that says it has to be a question. Leave him alone. If MS doesn't want
'venting' about their products, let them produce products that don't
exasperate ordinary users.

"Tim" <tim_at_overthere.com> wrote in message
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> Is this just a venting session?
>
> If you want help, please provide more detail and then formulate a
> question.
>
>
> "rservicer" <rservicer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:229F7DDD-B9CD-49B2-A557-C1BF844DCD2A@microsoft.com...
>> Vista permissions
>> This permission thing needs to be removed entirely
>> Can’t even install Acrobat reader, install Run won’t work
>> Save TO DISK, RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR, won’t work
>> Even browsing documents and settings is not allowed
>> I even went threw all the security setting and claimed ownership
>> All to no avail
>> Again MS is missing the point
>> This is my computer and I am the administrator
>> This run as administrator needs to be removed
>> We are the administrator
>> And if we want to break our computer than let us !
>>
>

Amen, Greg. I think the exasperation level of Vista is set for maximum irritation. It is a roughly 4-hour job to change all the settings to a reasonable functionality level, starting with shutting off UAC, which is not as easy to shut off as they claim it is. Most services and features have a simple interface that asks you "Do you really want to shut this off" and can be answered by choosing YES, meaning shut it off, and NO meaning NOT shut it off. UAC however, Yes means No and No means Yes, so you have to click NO to shut this off. MS deliberately did this just to piss me off personally, but most people click YES to this, and YES means "close the interface and do not shut off UAC"- So they click YES thinking they shut it off but they really did not.

My biggest fear is that MS will remove the choice to shut it off compleatly, and then where will we be? It is not enough that all the processors have DEP which prevent even regular programs from running... we have UAC on top of that.

Sigh I wanna take a boot to bill gates rump.

So, Can I ask a thing abut permissions here? This is regarding the 4 main versions of Vista.

I have Vista UE, which is most like XP Pro. In the MMC console, there is the "Local Users and Groups" just like it is there in XP Pro. Now, most permission issues are dealt with by the fact that an account is Administrative or Not.

Well, I just want to ask, is the "Local Users and Groups" MMC Snap-In totally disabled in other versions of Vista (Like it is within XP Home Edition)?

I simply do not want to wipe my current hard drive, go and buy Vista Home Basic, Install it, check this feature, DELETE it, bring it back to the store and get my money back, then use my Acronis True-Image Workstation to re-install the Vista UE hard drive image I backed up before such an operation.

Information regarding this is rather Vague in all of the Vista forums and groups I have been looking through.

You're right...I failed to notice it was marked as a comment...sorry about
that.

Tim

"Greg" <greg.munro@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:3DCBD2B2-D808-4327-BF28-8AAAA20CBA61@microsoft.com...
> It's not marked as a question, it's marked as a comment. There's nothing
> that says it has to be a question. Leave him alone. If MS doesn't want
> 'venting' about their products, let them produce products that don't
> exasperate ordinary users.
>
> "Tim" <tim_at_overthere.com> wrote in message
> news:EAA805F4-48F8-483A-92E9-0D2BC88FB02B@microsoft.com...
>> Is this just a venting session?
>>
>> If you want help, please provide more detail and then formulate a
>> question.
>>
>>
>> "rservicer" <rservicer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:229F7DDD-B9CD-49B2-A557-C1BF844DCD2A@microsoft.com...
>>> Vista permissions
>>> This permission thing needs to be removed entirely
>>> Can’t even install Acrobat reader, install Run won’t work
>>> Save TO DISK, RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR, won’t work
>>> Even browsing documents and settings is not allowed
>>> I even went threw all the security setting and claimed ownership
>>> All to no avail
>>> Again MS is missing the point
>>> This is my computer and I am the administrator
>>> This run as administrator needs to be removed
>>> We are the administrator
>>> And if we want to break our computer than let us !
>>>
>>
>

Sokay, sorry if I 'vented' at you!

"Tim" <tim_at_overthere.com> wrote in message
news:729B80F3-0FF0-47E3-A979-2EB904BF4E40@microsoft.com...
> You're right...I failed to notice it was marked as a comment...sorry about
> that.
>
> Tim
>
> "Greg" <greg.munro@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:3DCBD2B2-D808-4327-BF28-8AAAA20CBA61@microsoft.com...
>> It's not marked as a question, it's marked as a comment. There's nothing
>> that says it has to be a question. Leave him alone. If MS doesn't want
>> 'venting' about their products, let them produce products that don't
>> exasperate ordinary users.
>>
>> "Tim" <tim_at_overthere.com> wrote in message
>> news:EAA805F4-48F8-483A-92E9-0D2BC88FB02B@microsoft.com...
>>> Is this just a venting session?
>>>
>>> If you want help, please provide more detail and then formulate a
>>> question.
>>>
>>>
>>> "rservicer" <rservicer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:229F7DDD-B9CD-49B2-A557-C1BF844DCD2A@microsoft.com...
>>>> Vista permissions
>>>> This permission thing needs to be removed entirely
>>>> Can’t even install Acrobat reader, install Run won’t work
>>>> Save TO DISK, RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR, won’t work
>>>> Even browsing documents and settings is not allowed
>>>> I even went threw all the security setting and claimed ownership
>>>> All to no avail
>>>> Again MS is missing the point
>>>> This is my computer and I am the administrator
>>>> This run as administrator needs to be removed
>>>> We are the administrator
>>>> And if we want to break our computer than let us !
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Jeeze youse guys, I mean all it is is Vi$ta right? Well I suppose just the exi$tence of Vi$ta is pi$$ing a lot of people off lately.

I want to point out two statements that ring true:

And

MS, with Vi$$$$ta, in one swell foop is causing a lot of people to question, exactly what are they buying when they buy a computer.

The only way MS would have a right to install the security features they are forcing upon us, is if they were Letting us the the computers. (Let = Rent btw).

But they forget that these are OUR systems and each of us here that has posted has one or two ways in which they wish to set up their operating system. I have my way, you guys have your ways, that you are comfortable with.

I have been using a particular configuration for XP since it came out:

I dislike all the "pretty crap" in the XP GUI, I like a plain looking interface. No images on my desktop, or, an image that is not too complicated. I shut off Security Center. I do not like "hide inactive icons"

These are just preferences really, but I feel that I should not have to battle the OS just to set them. With XP, Microsoft did us a big favour with the "TweakUI" Power Toy, giving us one program that controls a huge percentage of these features.

I have not found the Vista equivalent of this. ONE interface, where we can disable UAC, shut off the security center AND the balloon popup warnings, delete all of the temp files on the system. For now, there are 3rd party programs that allow access to some of these things, but Vista ought to have a TweakUI of it's own.

My pet peeve with Vista, XP, 2000, ME, 98, 95:

Why is it that every time MS does a new OS that all the Software Companies are expected to HOP and make all new versions of everything, even though the current versions are satisfactory and useful?

Office for instance.

In all previous versions of Office the basic file formats are all the same, but for a few changes in the latest versions.

Office 2007? Worthless and Nightmarish. Sure it can open Access and Excel files from Office 98: but only under great strain and also, only after "proving to microsoft that the files were created in a 'legal' version of Office" - Nice eh? I have already experienced this nice feature: I had Office 2003 and Office 2007 both installed side by side, and every time I opened a file created in Office 2003, it connected to the internet and validated my Office, both copies. I say: Protecting the Operating System is one thing, but this is just a little bit too far and too much. What next, a LAW ordering us to register our computers every year, and if we do not have Vista on it we cannot get a registration? That's the direction it is going.

So, I hope Microsoft is reading this, cos I am venting, and I am one very exasperated USER.

If I had the ear of Microsoft I would demand that all this paranoid security crap be taken out of the OS- And I would also demand that the OS be able to allow me to use my current versions of all of my software. I would also demand reinstallation of the MIDI GAMEPORT so I can use my Midi Software and/or 300 dollar Joystick that needs a Gameport, something which has been on computers since maybe even before the modern day sound card.

And If I were Microsoft, and I were REALLY interested in being helpful to the people who not only use, but depend on their products:

I would accede to these demands, and to top it off, I would drop the price of Vista Ultimate Edition (Retail Box) by at least $150. I would drop the price of the Home basic Edition Update to 70 dollars- As a matter of fact, I wold do away with "upgrade" versions compleatly, there is really no use for sich things. All OS installation disks ought to be able to do both a full install or an update. Also, I would keep the options open for computer companies to build computers for their customers who would rather not use Vista.

I want to end this raving rant with this: in April, a client came to me with a 4 GHz Duo Core system, 4 GB of DDR-II 533? 533 MHz Ram, 1066 MHz Front Side Bus. Vanderpool chip, so 1 GB of the ram was set aside for VM- I had not known was Vanderpool was when I first saw the system. It was a beauty. It was BRAND NEW. It had Vista BUSINESS edition.

The system did not work. The DVD would not even detect. The DVD was a special LS DVD, an SATA DVD burner, needed drivers to work. the drivers were for XP. There were No Vista drivers.

The whole system was just bogged. So with the client's permission, we removed Vista and installed XP MCE. MCE really light the thing up. It was magnificent.

So, we compromised, the man did actually have a Vista Business Edition DVD: So we created a Virtual Drive and installed Vista- We used 1 GB of memory for the system, and since 1 GB was already set aside, it ran incredibly.


Story Moral: Vista should be a CHOICE. The security features should be a CHOICE. My choices have to be respected by the computer companies and the software designers. YOUR choices. My choices are your choices.

Windows 3.11 through Vista, I do not think I should have to prove that I bought it after I bought it, and KEEP on proving it at Microsoft's discretion. I do not live and use programs for the convenience of Microsoft, I use Vista at MY OWN discretion and when I hit the start button on that PC, It should start the product I BOUGHT, and all I should need to prove that I bought it (AND I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ACTIVATE OR VALIDATE IT IN ANY WAY) is the store reciept and nothing else. When I PAY MONEY that I Worked my ARSE off for, that IU could use to otherwise EAT: IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT I OWN IT. And I shoudl be able to USE it right off. If Microsoft wants us to kow tow, then they really need to stop SELLING Windows and start RENTING it to us. Then, they can do what the heck they want. But, instead we have to pay 400 Dollars for Vista Ultimate Edition and it is locked up so tight, that you even have to have permission to breathe while using it. Sorry, 400 dollars is 1) A LOT of money, too much for an Operating System- A PERSONAL Operating System? Who can BUY it? 2) I mean for 400 dollars I can buy a the parts for a whole 3 GHZ computer BOX with at least 1 GB Ram. Vista UE ought to be no more than 150 for full installable version. 3) When I put out a large amount of money like that, I should have a LOT of choices... and RIGHTS. Microsoft is according us Neither. Think about that.

How many times has anyone had to prove they bought a hotdog before they ate it? Next thing we know, we'll have to do just that.

-End of Rant-

(Boy that took 4 hours, sorry about that- I just wanted to cover everything, cos this is the only full rant I am gonna do here)