Vista Tutorial - Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me.

03-28-2008

Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I
needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program
Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not
let me delete the old version.

The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I
checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL
necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take
Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership,
then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission.

Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list
and gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was
it not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of
the "Administrators"-group?

Michael

**.Joe** · 03-28-2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Moser

Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I
needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program
Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not
let me delete the old version.

The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I
checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL
necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take
Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership,
then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission.

Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list
and gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was
it not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of
the "Administrators"-group?

Michael

Michael,

I've heard that SP1 does some interactions with file permissions that may need Microsoft assistance. You can get free tech support from Microsoft at this link: https://support.microsoft.com/oas/de...4&gprid=500921

Hopefully they can get it sorted out for you.

03-28-2008

Yea! Whats up with this, never had this problem with xp. A very well worded
moan Micheal.

"Michael Moser" wrote:

Quote:

> Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I
> needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program
> Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not
> let me delete the old version.
>
> The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I
> checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL
> necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take
> Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership,
> then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission.
>
> Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list
> and gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was
> it not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of
> the "Administrators"-group?
>
> Michael
>
>

03-28-2008

Google "Real Administrator"
-------
*Report back, please*
[When responding to posts, please include the post(s) you are replying to so
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I
> needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program
> Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not
> let me delete the old version.
>
> The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I
> checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL
> necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take
> Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership,
> then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission.
>
> Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list and
> gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was it
> not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of the
> "Administrators"-group?
>
> Michael
>

03-28-2008

"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eNyUo3MkIHA.1052@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I
> needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program
> Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not
> let me delete the old version.
>
> The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I
> checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL
> necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take
> Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership,
> then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission.
>
> Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list and
> gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was it
> not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of the
> "Administrators"-group?
>

Do you have UAC turned off?

--
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

04-01-2008

Kerry Brown wrote:

Quote:

> > ...

>
> Do you have UAC turned off?

No.

04-01-2008

"Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uL3pJB%23kIHA.2268@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Kerry Brown wrote:

Quote:

>> > ...

>>
>> Do you have UAC turned off?

>
> No.
>

I seen having UAC off cause problems when trying to change permissions with
Windows Explorer. I don't know what would have caused the problem you
experienced. For troublesome files you may have to take ownership and change
permissions from an elevated command prompt.

--
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

04-01-2008

I was reading this thread with high interest as I'm having the same kind of trouble...

Kerry, your first reply gave me the idea to turn UAC off. And, in fact, that was the solution to my problem. So my experience is quite contrary to what you've written in your last response.

Strange...

Axel Dahmen

-------------
"Kerry Brown" <kerry@xxxxxx-tems.c*a*m> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:0D0BA095-B33B-4692-A3A8-070B5E745FDB@xxxxxx

Quote:

> "Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uL3pJB%23kIHA.2268@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

Quote:

>>> > ...
>>>
>>> Do you have UAC turned off?

>>
>> No.
>>

>
>
> I seen having UAC off cause problems when trying to change permissions with
> Windows Explorer. I don't know what would have caused the problem you
> experienced. For troublesome files you may have to take ownership and change
> permissions from an elevated command prompt.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>
>
>

04-02-2008

The method needed to modify ACLs may differ depending on the existing ACls,
what type of account you are logged on as, if UAC is on/off, and what
program you are using to modify the ACLs.

--
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

"Axel Dahmen" <keentoknow@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:596E10FC-CB79-43CA-A0C4-7BBE632A1350@xxxxxx
I was reading this thread with high interest as I'm having the same kind of
trouble...

Kerry, your first reply gave me the idea to turn UAC off. And, in fact, that
was the solution to my problem. So my experience is quite contrary to what
you've written in your last response.

04-03-2008

I'm logged in as a member of the Administrators group. I've switched off UAC using the User Accounts control panel. (* not sure if it's "User Accounts" in English. I'm using the German version of Vista/W2k8).

Appreciate your help!

Axel Dahmen

---------------
"Kerry Brown" <kerry@xxxxxx-tems.c*a*m> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:36BC19AE-FBFD-414B-A3F5-0A4599CA5BDC@xxxxxx

Quote:

> The method needed to modify ACLs may differ depending on the existing ACls,
> what type of account you are logged on as, if UAC is on/off, and what
> program you are using to modify the ACLs.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>
> "Axel Dahmen" <keentoknow@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:596E10FC-CB79-43CA-A0C4-7BBE632A1350@xxxxxx
> I was reading this thread with high interest as I'm having the same kind of
> trouble...
>
> Kerry, your first reply gave me the idea to turn UAC off. And, in fact, that
> was the solution to my problem. So my experience is quite contrary to what
> you've written in your last response.
>
>
>

03-28-2008	#1 (permalink)
Michael Moser Guest n/a posts	Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not let me delete the old version. The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership, then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission. Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list and gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was it not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of the "Administrators"-group? Michael
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03-28-2008	#2 (permalink)
.Joe 1337 spammer Join Date: Mar 2008 Windows 7 RC 916 posts	Re: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. Quote: Originally Posted by Michael Moser Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not let me delete the old version. The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership, then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission. Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list and gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was it not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of the "Administrators"-group? Michael Michael, I've heard that SP1 does some interactions with file permissions that may need Microsoft assistance. You can get free tech support from Microsoft at this link: https://support.microsoft.com/oas/de...4&gprid=500921 Hopefully they can get it sorted out for you.
My System Specs

03-28-2008	#3 (permalink)
Oli Guest n/a posts	RE: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. Yea! Whats up with this, never had this problem with xp. A very well worded moan Micheal. "Michael Moser" wrote: Quote: > Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I > needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program > Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not > let me delete the old version. > > The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I > checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL > necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take > Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership, > then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission. > > Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list > and gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was > it not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of > the "Administrators"-group? > > Michael > >
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03-28-2008	#4 (permalink)
Bob Guest n/a posts	Re: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. Google "Real Administrator" ------- Report back, please [When responding to posts, please include the post(s) you are replying to so that others may learn and benefit from the issue] [How to ask a question] http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 "Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eNyUo3MkIHA.1052@xxxxxx Quote: > Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I > needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program > Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not > let me delete the old version. > > The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I > checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL > necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take > Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership, > then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission. > > Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list and > gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was it > not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of the > "Administrators"-group? > > Michael >
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03-28-2008	#5 (permalink)
Kerry Brown Guest n/a posts	Re: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. "Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eNyUo3MkIHA.1052@xxxxxx Quote: > Occasionally Vista and its permission handling really drives me nuts: I > needed to replace a certain .exe file in a subdirectory of "C:\Program > Files" but for some, to me unexplainable, reason Vista at first did not > let me delete the old version. > > The file was owned by "Administrators" of which I am a member. When I > checked "Effective Permissions" of that file for my user-id I had ALL > necessary permissions (including "Full Control", "Delete" and "Take > Ownership"). However, if I tried to delete the file or take ownership, > then I got errors that I don't have the necessary permission. > > Only after I added my user-id explicitly to the file's permission list and > gave me "Full Control" , then I was able to delete the file. Why was it > not enough that I am of user type "Administrator" and also member of the > "Administrators"-group? > Do you have UAC turned off? -- Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
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04-01-2008	#6 (permalink)
Michael Moser Guest n/a posts	Re: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. Kerry Brown wrote: Quote: Quote: > > ... > > Do you have UAC turned off? No.
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04-01-2008	#7 (permalink)
Kerry Brown Guest n/a posts	Re: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. "Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uL3pJB%23kIHA.2268@xxxxxx Quote: > Kerry Brown wrote: Quote: Quote: >> > ... >> >> Do you have UAC turned off? > > No. > I seen having UAC off cause problems when trying to change permissions with Windows Explorer. I don't know what would have caused the problem you experienced. For troublesome files you may have to take ownership and change permissions from an elevated command prompt. -- Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
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04-01-2008	#8 (permalink)
Axel Dahmen Guest n/a posts	Re: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. I was reading this thread with high interest as I'm having the same kind of trouble... Kerry, your first reply gave me the idea to turn UAC off. And, in fact, that was the solution to my problem. So my experience is quite contrary to what you've written in your last response. Strange... Axel Dahmen ------------- "Kerry Brown" <kerry@xxxxxx-tems.cam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:0D0BA095-B33B-4692-A3A8-070B5E745FDB@xxxxxx Quote: > "Michael Moser" <michael-nospam.moser@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:uL3pJB%23kIHA.2268@xxxxxx Quote: >> Kerry Brown wrote: Quote: >>> > ... >>> >>> Do you have UAC turned off? >> >> No. >> > > > I seen having UAC off cause problems when trying to change permissions with > Windows Explorer. I don't know what would have caused the problem you > experienced. For troublesome files you may have to take ownership and change > permissions from an elevated command prompt. > > -- > Kerry Brown > MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration > http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ > > >
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04-02-2008	#9 (permalink)
Kerry Brown Guest n/a posts	Re: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. The method needed to modify ACLs may differ depending on the existing ACls, what type of account you are logged on as, if UAC is on/off, and what program you are using to modify the ACLs. -- Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ "Axel Dahmen" <keentoknow@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:596E10FC-CB79-43CA-A0C4-7BBE632A1350@xxxxxx I was reading this thread with high interest as I'm having the same kind of trouble... Kerry, your first reply gave me the idea to turn UAC off. And, in fact, that was the solution to my problem. So my experience is quite contrary to what you've written in your last response.
My System Specs

04-03-2008	#10 (permalink)
Axel Dahmen Guest n/a posts	Re: Need to delete a file but Vista does not let me. I'm logged in as a member of the Administrators group. I've switched off UAC using the User Accounts control panel. (* not sure if it's "User Accounts" in English. I'm using the German version of Vista/W2k8). Appreciate your help! Axel Dahmen --------------- "Kerry Brown" <kerry@xxxxxx-tems.cam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:36BC19AE-FBFD-414B-A3F5-0A4599CA5BDC@xxxxxx Quote: > The method needed to modify ACLs may differ depending on the existing ACls, > what type of account you are logged on as, if UAC is on/off, and what > program you are using to modify the ACLs. > > -- > Kerry Brown > MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration > http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ > > "Axel Dahmen" <keentoknow@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:596E10FC-CB79-43CA-A0C4-7BBE632A1350@xxxxxx > I was reading this thread with high interest as I'm having the same kind of > trouble... > > Kerry, your first reply gave me the idea to turn UAC off. And, in fact, that > was the solution to my problem. So my experience is quite contrary to what > you've written in your last response. > > >
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