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Old 10-05-2009   #11 (permalink)
Peter Foldes


 
 

Re: Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer



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"chasgl" <chasgl@newsgroup> wrote in message
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>
> Fascinating suggestion. I'm not sure why explorer would use the 8.3 or why
> switching to alpha sort instead of numerical sort would affect the outcome.
> But the symptoms sure match.
> Thanks,
> Chas
> "Tae Song" wrote:
>
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>>
>> "chasgl" <chasgl@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:85FF7737-D13D-4098-866F-625E240A209B@newsgroup
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>> > My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine
>> like
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>> > this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they
>> would
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>> > appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes
>> out
Quote:

>> > like this
>> > 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking
>> > 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel
>> > <a bunch of other folders>
>> > 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast
>> > 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt
>> > .
>> > .
>> > .
>> > 2009-09-14 Lemgo
>> > 2009-09-23 Austin Property
>> > 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer
>> > 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C
>> >
>> > So first are some with 2009<space> etc
>> > then some 2009- etc
>> > then some 2009<space> etc
>> >
>> > Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Chas
>> >
>>
>>
>> It maybe caused by support for 8dot3 naming convention.
>>
>> 8dot3
>> Name as the appear in Explorer
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 200908~3 2009 08 27 Near Ali
>> and Saida's mostly biking
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 200908~4 2009 08 28 Saida and
>> Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 20E603~1 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 200908~1.ALI 2009 08 30.
>> Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 2009-0~1.BRE 2009-01-04.
>> Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 2009-0~1.MAT 2009-02-27.
>> Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 2009-0~4 2009-09-14 Lemgo
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 20BB6C~1 2009-09-23 Austin
>> Property
>>
>> 8dot3 naming convention goes back to the days of DOS. 8 letters
>> (filename) dot (separator) 3 letters (file extension). It's there to
>> support old programs that still use the 8dot3 naming convention to find
>> files.
>>
>> For whatever reason Explorer maybe using the 8dot3 naming convention to
>> sort the directories.
>>
>>
>> You can turn it off.
>>
>> How to Disable the 8.3 Name Creation on NTFS Partitions
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/121007
>>
>> 1. Start Regedt32.exe and locate the following registry key:
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem
>> 2. Select the NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation entry.
>>
>> NOTE: By default, the value for this entry is set to 0.
>> 3. On the Edit menu, click DWORD. Type a value of 1 in the Data field.
>> 4. Click OK and then quit Regedt32.
>> 5. Quit Windows NT and turn off your computer.
>> 6. Restart your computer and Windows NT.
>>
>> As the KB notes, this works only for file or directory created after the
>> registry change and reboot.
>>

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Old 10-05-2009   #12 (permalink)
Peter Foldes


 
 

Re: Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer

This algorithm is not 8.3
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/319827
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"chasgl" <chasgl@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:B74A5AEC-6F08-455D-8212-570D1A749959@newsgroup
Quote:

>
> Fascinating suggestion. I'm not sure why explorer would use the 8.3 or why
> switching to alpha sort instead of numerical sort would affect the outcome.
> But the symptoms sure match.
> Thanks,
> Chas
> "Tae Song" wrote:
>
Quote:

>>
>> "chasgl" <chasgl@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:85FF7737-D13D-4098-866F-625E240A209B@newsgroup
Quote:

>> > My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine
>> like
Quote:

>> > this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they
>> would
Quote:

>> > appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes
>> out
Quote:

>> > like this
>> > 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking
>> > 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel
>> > <a bunch of other folders>
>> > 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast
>> > 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt
>> > .
>> > .
>> > .
>> > 2009-09-14 Lemgo
>> > 2009-09-23 Austin Property
>> > 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer
>> > 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C
>> >
>> > So first are some with 2009<space> etc
>> > then some 2009- etc
>> > then some 2009<space> etc
>> >
>> > Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Chas
>> >
>>
>>
>> It maybe caused by support for 8dot3 naming convention.
>>
>> 8dot3
>> Name as the appear in Explorer
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 200908~3 2009 08 27 Near Ali
>> and Saida's mostly biking
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 200908~4 2009 08 28 Saida and
>> Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 20E603~1 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 200908~1.ALI 2009 08 30.
>> Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 2009-0~1.BRE 2009-01-04.
>> Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 2009-0~1.MAT 2009-02-27.
>> Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 2009-0~4 2009-09-14 Lemgo
>> 10/05/2009 04:51 AM <DIR> 20BB6C~1 2009-09-23 Austin
>> Property
>>
>> 8dot3 naming convention goes back to the days of DOS. 8 letters
>> (filename) dot (separator) 3 letters (file extension). It's there to
>> support old programs that still use the 8dot3 naming convention to find
>> files.
>>
>> For whatever reason Explorer maybe using the 8dot3 naming convention to
>> sort the directories.
>>
>>
>> You can turn it off.
>>
>> How to Disable the 8.3 Name Creation on NTFS Partitions
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/121007
>>
>> 1. Start Regedt32.exe and locate the following registry key:
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem
>> 2. Select the NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation entry.
>>
>> NOTE: By default, the value for this entry is set to 0.
>> 3. On the Edit menu, click DWORD. Type a value of 1 in the Data field.
>> 4. Click OK and then quit Regedt32.
>> 5. Quit Windows NT and turn off your computer.
>> 6. Restart your computer and Windows NT.
>>
>> As the KB notes, this works only for file or directory created after the
>> registry change and reboot.
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-06-2009   #13 (permalink)
chasgl


 
 

Re: Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer

But This algorithm is not 8.3
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/319827
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Does not describe the actual behavior Vista exhibits when "numerical" i.e.
Sever 2003 type sorting is selected.




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