Vista - Is Windows Vista index-based full-text search powerful enough?

- We put a lot of effort into 'backing-off' the indexing so it doesn't
interfere with the user's normal use of the machine. So in general this
shouldn't be an issue.

- You can move the location of the index files to a different location using
the Indexing Options Control Panel.

Dave

"Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:vdbqu29elj69q1eshkpmsrr9vkj59p19km@4ax.com...
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>To answer you questions briefly:
>>
>>- The Windows Search indexer should be able to handle these kinds of
>>scenarios. If you decide you don't want it to run you need to disable the
>>Windows Search service.
>>
>>- You can control what locations are indexed through the Indexing Options
>>Control Panel, or programatically. We don't currently support multiple
>>indexes.
>
> OK, that's at least something because there are many locations on my
> harddisk which I wouldn't want to be indexed. If it actually indexed
> everything from the first to the last partition, it would be very
> inefficient.
>
>>I think there's some control of when indexing happens
>>programatically, it depends exactly what scenario you are trying to
>>achieve.
>
> My concern is that re-indexing would slow down my computer
> considerably, so I would want Windows to perform indexing only when
> the computer is idle. I understand that this could mean that I may
> have an obsolete index for some time.
>
>>- Yes we support a pretty rich query syntax, an overview of which is here:
>>http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...02ec61033.mspx
>
> Very good.
>
>>I hope this helps,
>
> Yes, it does. Thanks.
>
> Regarding the question about whether I can set where to place the
> index files: I conclude that it cannot be done, i.e. the index files
> are mandatorily placed on partition C: where Windows Vista is
> installed. Is that correct?
>
> Actually, I would prefer to have the index files placed on a different
> partition but I suppose this can't be done.
>
> Are there any estimates on how much harddisk space I should reserve
> for x GB of documents to be indexed (like 10 % for example, which
> would mean I need 1 GB of extra space for every 10 GB of document
> data)?
> I understand that this depends on the type of data but as I mentioned
> before the data locations that I would like to be indexed consist
> almost exclusively of PDF documents, Word, Excel, and Powerpoint
> files.
>
> Peter
>
>
>>"Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>news:artou2hcshf1cdqi4as50apfjr80400qus@4ax.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a couple of questions about the new index-based full-text
>>> search of Windows Vista.
>>>
>>> 1) Is it powerful enough to handle huge amounts of data consisting of
>>> PDF documents, Word, Excel and Powerpoint files (around 20 GB)? Or
>>> would a third-party solution like dtSearch be the better choice? If
>>> this is the better choice, can the indexing by Windows Vista be
>>> disabled?
>>>
>>> 2) Is there any way I can manage or control the indexing process?
>>> a) Can I set the location of the index files?
>>> b) Can I create multiple indexes?
>>> c) Can I control in any way when the indexing takes place?
>>>
>>> 3) Can I perform advanced searches using Boolean operators?
>>>
>>> Peter

Oh, and while I'm on a roll:

The latest query syntax doc is here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/des...advanced3.mspx

The one someone else posted was for Windwso Search 2.6, which will be very
similar but not absolutely identical.

Also you discussed index size relative to documents size. There's no way to
estimate this exactly, because different files contribute different amounts
to the index size {e.g. pictures less, text docs more}. But we typically see
a range from less than 5% up to maybe 15%.

Dave

"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:Ow9IIGCYHHA.3824@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>- We put a lot of effort into 'backing-off' the indexing so it doesn't
>interfere with the user's normal use of the machine. So in general this
>shouldn't be an issue.
>
> - You can move the location of the index files to a different location
> using the Indexing Options Control Panel.
>
> Dave
>
> "Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:vdbqu29elj69q1eshkpmsrr9vkj59p19km@4ax.com...
>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>>To answer you questions briefly:
>>>
>>>- The Windows Search indexer should be able to handle these kinds of
>>>scenarios. If you decide you don't want it to run you need to disable the
>>>Windows Search service.
>>>
>>>- You can control what locations are indexed through the Indexing Options
>>>Control Panel, or programatically. We don't currently support multiple
>>>indexes.
>>
>> OK, that's at least something because there are many locations on my
>> harddisk which I wouldn't want to be indexed. If it actually indexed
>> everything from the first to the last partition, it would be very
>> inefficient.
>>
>>>I think there's some control of when indexing happens
>>>programatically, it depends exactly what scenario you are trying to
>>>achieve.
>>
>> My concern is that re-indexing would slow down my computer
>> considerably, so I would want Windows to perform indexing only when
>> the computer is idle. I understand that this could mean that I may
>> have an obsolete index for some time.
>>
>>>- Yes we support a pretty rich query syntax, an overview of which is
>>>here:
>>>http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...02ec61033.mspx
>>
>> Very good.
>>
>>>I hope this helps,
>>
>> Yes, it does. Thanks.
>>
>> Regarding the question about whether I can set where to place the
>> index files: I conclude that it cannot be done, i.e. the index files
>> are mandatorily placed on partition C: where Windows Vista is
>> installed. Is that correct?
>>
>> Actually, I would prefer to have the index files placed on a different
>> partition but I suppose this can't be done.
>>
>> Are there any estimates on how much harddisk space I should reserve
>> for x GB of documents to be indexed (like 10 % for example, which
>> would mean I need 1 GB of extra space for every 10 GB of document
>> data)?
>> I understand that this depends on the type of data but as I mentioned
>> before the data locations that I would like to be indexed consist
>> almost exclusively of PDF documents, Word, Excel, and Powerpoint
>> files.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>>"Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>>news:artou2hcshf1cdqi4as50apfjr80400qus@4ax.com...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a couple of questions about the new index-based full-text
>>>> search of Windows Vista.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Is it powerful enough to handle huge amounts of data consisting of
>>>> PDF documents, Word, Excel and Powerpoint files (around 20 GB)? Or
>>>> would a third-party solution like dtSearch be the better choice? If
>>>> this is the better choice, can the indexing by Windows Vista be
>>>> disabled?
>>>>
>>>> 2) Is there any way I can manage or control the indexing process?
>>>> a) Can I set the location of the index files?
>>>> b) Can I create multiple indexes?
>>>> c) Can I control in any way when the indexing takes place?
>>>>
>>>> 3) Can I perform advanced searches using Boolean operators?
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>

Thanks again for the exhaustive answers.

"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Oh, and while I'm on a roll:
>
>The latest query syntax doc is here:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/windows/des...advanced3.mspx
>
>The one someone else posted was for Windwso Search 2.6, which will be very
>similar but not absolutely identical.
>
>Also you discussed index size relative to documents size. There's no way to
>estimate this exactly, because different files contribute different amounts
>to the index size {e.g. pictures less, text docs more}. But we typically see
>a range from less than 5% up to maybe 15%.
>
>Dave

In message <vs9pu2dtlbue71cr6k7mb2fhajk5snn85v@4ax.com> Dennis
<dn@nospam.dk> wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:15:07 -0500, "Geta Klew" <nospam@noreply.com>
>wrote:
>
>>LOL, let alone the fact that he couldn't open and read them after finding
>>them if he didn't have a reader ;-0
>>
>
>Yeah.... ha ha
>
>Well one never knows, if there is a way to construct impossible
>scenarios, someone will do it just for the heck of it.

There are other PDF readers other then Adobe's software too...
--
Insert something clever here.

Why haven't you tried v8?

Jeff


<.> wrote in message news:uN3SEb3XHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Why it matters is I use version 5 of Acrobat Reader.
> <.> wrote in message news:ucDHhZ3XHHA.4868@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> If one needs to install acrobat for it to work then it DOES NOT do it by
>> default.
>>
>>
>> "Dennis" <dn@nospam.dk> wrote in message
>> news:c86pu21nlkt91t9d7qbrmgv4l7m9clh7bt@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:20:31 +1100, <.> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It doesn't do PDFs by default.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nonsense.
>>>
>>> It does.
>>>
>>> I haven't changed ANY options other than adding the data drive to
>>> indexed locations.
>>>
>>> Needless to say Acrobat reader have to be installed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>

I thought I read something about it having to be Reader version 6 at
least....so newer would be better I presume.

Pardon me if I misread though....

FG



"Jeffrey S. Sparks" <jssparks@spam.bccinfo.com> wrote in message
news:28DBCE34-8EEC-484A-A5E6-58A7C01A8052@microsoft.com...
> Why haven't you tried v8?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> <.> wrote in message news:uN3SEb3XHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Why it matters is I use version 5 of Acrobat Reader.
>> <.> wrote in message news:ucDHhZ3XHHA.4868@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> If one needs to install acrobat for it to work then it DOES NOT do it by
>>> default.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dennis" <dn@nospam.dk> wrote in message
>>> news:c86pu21nlkt91t9d7qbrmgv4l7m9clh7bt@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:20:31 +1100, <.> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It doesn't do PDFs by default.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> It does.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't changed ANY options other than adding the data drive to
>>>> indexed locations.
>>>>
>>>> Needless to say Acrobat reader have to be installed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>
>

While you are on a roll would you like to find a correct query language
reference and post that.

If we are to believe the desktop search syntax (my point being is that it
lies) it is not possible to search for contents (2.6 or 3). Yet Index Server
does have a Content= field (which if I recall correctly has servere
limitations), Yet Indexing Server docs have disappeared from the Vista PSDK.

"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eFsUGiCYHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Oh, and while I'm on a roll:
>
> The latest query syntax doc is here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/des...advanced3.mspx
>
> The one someone else posted was for Windwso Search 2.6, which will be very
> similar but not absolutely identical.
>
> Also you discussed index size relative to documents size. There's no way
> to estimate this exactly, because different files contribute different
> amounts to the index size {e.g. pictures less, text docs more}. But we
> typically see a range from less than 5% up to maybe 15%.
>
> Dave
>
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:Ow9IIGCYHHA.3824@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>- We put a lot of effort into 'backing-off' the indexing so it doesn't
>>interfere with the user's normal use of the machine. So in general this
>>shouldn't be an issue.
>>
>> - You can move the location of the index files to a different location
>> using the Indexing Options Control Panel.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> "Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>> news:vdbqu29elj69q1eshkpmsrr9vkj59p19km@4ax.com...
>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>To answer you questions briefly:
>>>>
>>>>- The Windows Search indexer should be able to handle these kinds of
>>>>scenarios. If you decide you don't want it to run you need to disable
>>>>the
>>>>Windows Search service.
>>>>
>>>>- You can control what locations are indexed through the Indexing
>>>>Options
>>>>Control Panel, or programatically. We don't currently support multiple
>>>>indexes.
>>>
>>> OK, that's at least something because there are many locations on my
>>> harddisk which I wouldn't want to be indexed. If it actually indexed
>>> everything from the first to the last partition, it would be very
>>> inefficient.
>>>
>>>>I think there's some control of when indexing happens
>>>>programatically, it depends exactly what scenario you are trying to
>>>>achieve.
>>>
>>> My concern is that re-indexing would slow down my computer
>>> considerably, so I would want Windows to perform indexing only when
>>> the computer is idle. I understand that this could mean that I may
>>> have an obsolete index for some time.
>>>
>>>>- Yes we support a pretty rich query syntax, an overview of which is
>>>>here:
>>>>http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...02ec61033.mspx
>>>
>>> Very good.
>>>
>>>>I hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Yes, it does. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Regarding the question about whether I can set where to place the
>>> index files: I conclude that it cannot be done, i.e. the index files
>>> are mandatorily placed on partition C: where Windows Vista is
>>> installed. Is that correct?
>>>
>>> Actually, I would prefer to have the index files placed on a different
>>> partition but I suppose this can't be done.
>>>
>>> Are there any estimates on how much harddisk space I should reserve
>>> for x GB of documents to be indexed (like 10 % for example, which
>>> would mean I need 1 GB of extra space for every 10 GB of document
>>> data)?
>>> I understand that this depends on the type of data but as I mentioned
>>> before the data locations that I would like to be indexed consist
>>> almost exclusively of PDF documents, Word, Excel, and Powerpoint
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>>>news:artou2hcshf1cdqi4as50apfjr80400qus@4ax.com...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a couple of questions about the new index-based full-text
>>>>> search of Windows Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Is it powerful enough to handle huge amounts of data consisting of
>>>>> PDF documents, Word, Excel and Powerpoint files (around 20 GB)? Or
>>>>> would a third-party solution like dtSearch be the better choice? If
>>>>> this is the better choice, can the indexing by Windows Vista be
>>>>> disabled?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Is there any way I can manage or control the indexing process?
>>>>> a) Can I set the location of the index files?
>>>>> b) Can I create multiple indexes?
>>>>> c) Can I control in any way when the indexing takes place?
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Can I perform advanced searches using Boolean operators?
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>
>

Well just typing text into the seach field searches the contents of items in
indexed locations. But if you specifically want to search the contents but
not filename, subject etc. you can use contents:search_term.

<.> wrote in message news:Oax0YsXYHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> While you are on a roll would you like to find a correct query language
> reference and post that.
>
> If we are to believe the desktop search syntax (my point being is that it
> lies) it is not possible to search for contents (2.6 or 3). Yet Index
> Server does have a Content= field (which if I recall correctly has servere
> limitations), Yet Indexing Server docs have disappeared from the Vista
> PSDK.
>
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eFsUGiCYHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Oh, and while I'm on a roll:
>>
>> The latest query syntax doc is here:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/des...advanced3.mspx
>>
>> The one someone else posted was for Windwso Search 2.6, which will be
>> very similar but not absolutely identical.
>>
>> Also you discussed index size relative to documents size. There's no way
>> to estimate this exactly, because different files contribute different
>> amounts to the index size {e.g. pictures less, text docs more}. But we
>> typically see a range from less than 5% up to maybe 15%.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ow9IIGCYHHA.3824@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>- We put a lot of effort into 'backing-off' the indexing so it doesn't
>>>interfere with the user's normal use of the machine. So in general this
>>>shouldn't be an issue.
>>>
>>> - You can move the location of the index files to a different location
>>> using the Indexing Options Control Panel.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> "Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>> news:vdbqu29elj69q1eshkpmsrr9vkj59p19km@4ax.com...
>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>To answer you questions briefly:
>>>>>
>>>>>- The Windows Search indexer should be able to handle these kinds of
>>>>>scenarios. If you decide you don't want it to run you need to disable
>>>>>the
>>>>>Windows Search service.
>>>>>
>>>>>- You can control what locations are indexed through the Indexing
>>>>>Options
>>>>>Control Panel, or programatically. We don't currently support multiple
>>>>>indexes.
>>>>
>>>> OK, that's at least something because there are many locations on my
>>>> harddisk which I wouldn't want to be indexed. If it actually indexed
>>>> everything from the first to the last partition, it would be very
>>>> inefficient.
>>>>
>>>>>I think there's some control of when indexing happens
>>>>>programatically, it depends exactly what scenario you are trying to
>>>>>achieve.
>>>>
>>>> My concern is that re-indexing would slow down my computer
>>>> considerably, so I would want Windows to perform indexing only when
>>>> the computer is idle. I understand that this could mean that I may
>>>> have an obsolete index for some time.
>>>>
>>>>>- Yes we support a pretty rich query syntax, an overview of which is
>>>>>here:
>>>>>http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...02ec61033.mspx
>>>>
>>>> Very good.
>>>>
>>>>>I hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it does. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the question about whether I can set where to place the
>>>> index files: I conclude that it cannot be done, i.e. the index files
>>>> are mandatorily placed on partition C: where Windows Vista is
>>>> installed. Is that correct?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I would prefer to have the index files placed on a different
>>>> partition but I suppose this can't be done.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any estimates on how much harddisk space I should reserve
>>>> for x GB of documents to be indexed (like 10 % for example, which
>>>> would mean I need 1 GB of extra space for every 10 GB of document
>>>> data)?
>>>> I understand that this depends on the type of data but as I mentioned
>>>> before the data locations that I would like to be indexed consist
>>>> almost exclusively of PDF documents, Word, Excel, and Powerpoint
>>>> files.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>>>>news:artou2hcshf1cdqi4as50apfjr80400qus@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a couple of questions about the new index-based full-text
>>>>>> search of Windows Vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Is it powerful enough to handle huge amounts of data consisting of
>>>>>> PDF documents, Word, Excel and Powerpoint files (around 20 GB)? Or
>>>>>> would a third-party solution like dtSearch be the better choice? If
>>>>>> this is the better choice, can the indexing by Windows Vista be
>>>>>> disabled?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Is there any way I can manage or control the indexing process?
>>>>>> a) Can I set the location of the index files?
>>>>>> b) Can I create multiple indexes?
>>>>>> c) Can I control in any way when the indexing takes place?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Can I perform advanced searches using Boolean operators?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>
>>
>

Hmmmmmm The syntax "contents:search_term" is not even listed in the syntax
page you specified below.

So having said that...is that listing you link to an abridged version?

If yes - then where is the full listing please?

Otherwise its like trying to repair a car using pliers and a couple of
spanners......

Can do some things but not enough to complete the job!

Cheers

FG


"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eXNTwGoYHHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Well just typing text into the seach field searches the contents of items
> in indexed locations. But if you specifically want to search the contents
> but not filename, subject etc. you can use contents:search_term.
>
> <.> wrote in message news:Oax0YsXYHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> While you are on a roll would you like to find a correct query language
>> reference and post that.
>>
>> If we are to believe the desktop search syntax (my point being is that it
>> lies) it is not possible to search for contents (2.6 or 3). Yet Index
>> Server does have a Content= field (which if I recall correctly has
>> servere limitations), Yet Indexing Server docs have disappeared from the
>> Vista PSDK.
>>
>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:eFsUGiCYHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Oh, and while I'm on a roll:
>>>
>>> The latest query syntax doc is here:
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/des...advanced3.mspx
>>>
>>> The one someone else posted was for Windwso Search 2.6, which will be
>>> very similar but not absolutely identical.
>>>
>>> Also you discussed index size relative to documents size. There's no way
>>> to estimate this exactly, because different files contribute different
>>> amounts to the index size {e.g. pictures less, text docs more}. But we
>>> typically see a range from less than 5% up to maybe 15%.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Ow9IIGCYHHA.3824@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>- We put a lot of effort into 'backing-off' the indexing so it doesn't
>>>>interfere with the user's normal use of the machine. So in general this
>>>>shouldn't be an issue.
>>>>
>>>> - You can move the location of the index files to a different location
>>>> using the Indexing Options Control Panel.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> "Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>>> news:vdbqu29elj69q1eshkpmsrr9vkj59p19km@4ax.com...
>>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>To answer you questions briefly:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- The Windows Search indexer should be able to handle these kinds of
>>>>>>scenarios. If you decide you don't want it to run you need to disable
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>Windows Search service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- You can control what locations are indexed through the Indexing
>>>>>>Options
>>>>>>Control Panel, or programatically. We don't currently support multiple
>>>>>>indexes.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, that's at least something because there are many locations on my
>>>>> harddisk which I wouldn't want to be indexed. If it actually indexed
>>>>> everything from the first to the last partition, it would be very
>>>>> inefficient.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I think there's some control of when indexing happens
>>>>>>programatically, it depends exactly what scenario you are trying to
>>>>>>achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>> My concern is that re-indexing would slow down my computer
>>>>> considerably, so I would want Windows to perform indexing only when
>>>>> the computer is idle. I understand that this could mean that I may
>>>>> have an obsolete index for some time.
>>>>>
>>>>>>- Yes we support a pretty rich query syntax, an overview of which is
>>>>>>here:
>>>>>>http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...02ec61033.mspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Very good.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I hope this helps,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it does. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the question about whether I can set where to place the
>>>>> index files: I conclude that it cannot be done, i.e. the index files
>>>>> are mandatorily placed on partition C: where Windows Vista is
>>>>> installed. Is that correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, I would prefer to have the index files placed on a different
>>>>> partition but I suppose this can't be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any estimates on how much harddisk space I should reserve
>>>>> for x GB of documents to be indexed (like 10 % for example, which
>>>>> would mean I need 1 GB of extra space for every 10 GB of document
>>>>> data)?
>>>>> I understand that this depends on the type of data but as I mentioned
>>>>> before the data locations that I would like to be indexed consist
>>>>> almost exclusively of PDF documents, Word, Excel, and Powerpoint
>>>>> files.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:artou2hcshf1cdqi4as50apfjr80400qus@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a couple of questions about the new index-based full-text
>>>>>>> search of Windows Vista.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Is it powerful enough to handle huge amounts of data consisting
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> PDF documents, Word, Excel and Powerpoint files (around 20 GB)? Or
>>>>>>> would a third-party solution like dtSearch be the better choice? If
>>>>>>> this is the better choice, can the indexing by Windows Vista be
>>>>>>> disabled?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Is there any way I can manage or control the indexing process?
>>>>>>> a) Can I set the location of the index files?
>>>>>>> b) Can I create multiple indexes?
>>>>>>> c) Can I control in any way when the indexing takes place?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) Can I perform advanced searches using Boolean operators?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I tried @content as well as content:

If I bother constructing a search it's because I need to be precise to avoid
massive number of false hits. Not specifing any field wll find contents but
using either Indexing Server syntax or AQS and specifing the contents it is
not found.

In XP one entered advanced searching syntax in the containing text field.
But it would only parse it if indexing was on else it searched for the
characters. How do the Search Options affect searching.


"Flash Gortdon" <flash_gordon@nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:%23sZb9brYHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hmmmmmm The syntax "contents:search_term" is not even listed in the syntax
> page you specified below.
>
> So having said that...is that listing you link to an abridged version?
>
> If yes - then where is the full listing please?
>
> Otherwise its like trying to repair a car using pliers and a couple of
> spanners......
>
> Can do some things but not enough to complete the job!
>
> Cheers
>
> FG
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>
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eXNTwGoYHHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Well just typing text into the seach field searches the contents of items
>> in indexed locations. But if you specifically want to search the contents
>> but not filename, subject etc. you can use contents:search_term.
>>
>> <.> wrote in message news:Oax0YsXYHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> While you are on a roll would you like to find a correct query language
>>> reference and post that.
>>>
>>> If we are to believe the desktop search syntax (my point being is that
>>> it lies) it is not possible to search for contents (2.6 or 3). Yet Index
>>> Server does have a Content= field (which if I recall correctly has
>>> servere limitations), Yet Indexing Server docs have disappeared from the
>>> Vista PSDK.
>>>
>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eFsUGiCYHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Oh, and while I'm on a roll:
>>>>
>>>> The latest query syntax doc is here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/des...advanced3.mspx
>>>>
>>>> The one someone else posted was for Windwso Search 2.6, which will be
>>>> very similar but not absolutely identical.
>>>>
>>>> Also you discussed index size relative to documents size. There's no
>>>> way to estimate this exactly, because different files contribute
>>>> different amounts to the index size {e.g. pictures less, text docs
>>>> more}. But we typically see a range from less than 5% up to maybe 15%.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Ow9IIGCYHHA.3824@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>- We put a lot of effort into 'backing-off' the indexing so it doesn't
>>>>>interfere with the user's normal use of the machine. So in general this
>>>>>shouldn't be an issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> - You can move the location of the index files to a different location
>>>>> using the Indexing Options Control Panel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> "Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vdbqu29elj69q1eshkpmsrr9vkj59p19km@4ax.com...
>>>>>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To answer you questions briefly:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- The Windows Search indexer should be able to handle these kinds of
>>>>>>>scenarios. If you decide you don't want it to run you need to disable
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>Windows Search service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- You can control what locations are indexed through the Indexing
>>>>>>>Options
>>>>>>>Control Panel, or programatically. We don't currently support
>>>>>>>multiple
>>>>>>>indexes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, that's at least something because there are many locations on my
>>>>>> harddisk which I wouldn't want to be indexed. If it actually indexed
>>>>>> everything from the first to the last partition, it would be very
>>>>>> inefficient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think there's some control of when indexing happens
>>>>>>>programatically, it depends exactly what scenario you are trying to
>>>>>>>achieve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My concern is that re-indexing would slow down my computer
>>>>>> considerably, so I would want Windows to perform indexing only when
>>>>>> the computer is idle. I understand that this could mean that I may
>>>>>> have an obsolete index for some time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- Yes we support a pretty rich query syntax, an overview of which is
>>>>>>>here:
>>>>>>>http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...02ec61033.mspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I hope this helps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it does. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding the question about whether I can set where to place the
>>>>>> index files: I conclude that it cannot be done, i.e. the index files
>>>>>> are mandatorily placed on partition C: where Windows Vista is
>>>>>> installed. Is that correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, I would prefer to have the index files placed on a
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> partition but I suppose this can't be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any estimates on how much harddisk space I should reserve
>>>>>> for x GB of documents to be indexed (like 10 % for example, which
>>>>>> would mean I need 1 GB of extra space for every 10 GB of document
>>>>>> data)?
>>>>>> I understand that this depends on the type of data but as I mentioned
>>>>>> before the data locations that I would like to be indexed consist
>>>>>> almost exclusively of PDF documents, Word, Excel, and Powerpoint
>>>>>> files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Peter Frank" <peter_frankde@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:artou2hcshf1cdqi4as50apfjr80400qus@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a couple of questions about the new index-based full-text
>>>>>>>> search of Windows Vista.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Is it powerful enough to handle huge amounts of data consisting
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> PDF documents, Word, Excel and Powerpoint files (around 20 GB)? Or
>>>>>>>> would a third-party solution like dtSearch be the better choice? If
>>>>>>>> this is the better choice, can the indexing by Windows Vista be
>>>>>>>> disabled?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Is there any way I can manage or control the indexing process?
>>>>>>>> a) Can I set the location of the index files?
>>>>>>>> b) Can I create multiple indexes?
>>>>>>>> c) Can I control in any way when the indexing takes place?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) Can I perform advanced searches using Boolean operators?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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