Indexing Bug ????

Hi,

I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great, but
about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where they belong
so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find those files in both
the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder where those files
were before and they're not there anymore, they're really into the new
folder where I want them.

How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

This is not exactly a bug. Its CBD. Crap By Design



"Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>
> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
> VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great, but
> about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where they
> belong so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find those files
> in both the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder where
> those files were before and they're not there anymore, they're really into
> the new folder where I want them.
>
> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>
> --
> Thank You in Advance
> Merci a l'avance
>
> Martin

Give this a try:
Click Start > type Indexing Options > hit Enter > click Modify > click Show
All Locations > expand C: and browse to the folder in which the files were
previously located. Uncheck it, click OK > Close.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>
> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
> VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great, but
> about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where they
> belong so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find those files
> in both the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder where
> those files were before and they're not there anymore, they're really into
> the new folder where I want them.
>
> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>
> --
> Thank You in Advance
> Merci a l'avance
>
> Martin

To add..
If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or deleted, it
must be recreated in the original location to be removed from the index
since it will remain in the index but not in the 'browse' option.
..winston

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eNqkoYteHHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Give this a try:
> Click Start > type Indexing Options > hit Enter > click Modify > click
> Show All Locations > expand C: and browse to the folder in which the files
> were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK > Close.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
>> VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great, but
>> about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where they
>> belong so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find those
>> files in both the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder
>> where those files were before and they're not there anymore, they're
>> really into the new folder where I want them.
>>
>> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>>
>> --
>> Thank You in Advance
>> Merci a l'avance
>>
>> Martin
>
>

But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files from that
folder to another folder, but the search still show those files as being in
both location, in folder 1 and folder 2, but they no longer exist in folder
1 only in folder 2.

So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to another he
MUST rebuild the entire index ????

Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the index was
automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the same system in Vista

--
-----
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin
"...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
news:OUQoO4ueHHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> To add..
> If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or deleted, it
> must be recreated in the original location to be removed from the index
> since it will remain in the index but not in the 'browse' option.
> ..winston
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eNqkoYteHHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Give this a try:
>> Click Start > type Indexing Options > hit Enter > click Modify > click
>> Show All Locations > expand C: and browse to the folder in which the
>> files were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK > Close.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
>>> VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great,
>>> but about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where they
>>> belong so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find those
>>> files in both the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder
>>> where those files were before and they're not there anymore, they're
>>> really into the new folder where I want them.
>>>
>>> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thank You in Advance
>>> Merci a l'avance
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>
>
>

Normally the index will automatically update itself when files are added,
deleted, modified or moved, so I'm not sure what is happening here.

If you run the Indexing Options Control Panel and leave it for a minute to
settle down does it say the index is up to date, or that indexing is still
happening? If you look in the Event Viewer or Problem Reports and Solutions
do you see any issues related to the search service reported there?

Dave


"Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23kbaX7weHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files from that
> folder to another folder, but the search still show those files as being
> in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2, but they no longer exist in
> folder 1 only in folder 2.
>
> So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to another he
> MUST rebuild the entire index ????
>
> Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the index
> was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the same system in
> Vista
>
> --
> -----
> Thank you in advance
> Merci a l'avance
>
> Martin
> "...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
> news:OUQoO4ueHHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> To add..
>> If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or deleted, it
>> must be recreated in the original location to be removed from the index
>> since it will remain in the index but not in the 'browse' option.
>> ..winston
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eNqkoYteHHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Give this a try:
>>> Click Start > type Indexing Options > hit Enter > click Modify > click
>>> Show All Locations > expand C: and browse to the folder in which the
>>> files were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK > Close.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>>> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
>>>> VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great,
>>>> but about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where
>>>> they belong so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find
>>>> those files in both the old and the new folder. I did checked the old
>>>> folder where those files were before and they're not there anymore,
>>>> they're really into the new folder where I want them.
>>>>
>>>> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thank You in Advance
>>>> Merci a l'avance
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on two
machines...the information was provided as an option.
One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in about 2
minutes. On the other with other partitions also indexed, it took about 15
minutes.
If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder can be removed
from the index then added to index to force the update if you don't wish to
wait.

..winston

"Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23kbaX7weHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files from that
> folder to another folder, but the search still show those files as being
> in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2, but they no longer exist in
> folder 1 only in folder 2.
>
> So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to another he
> MUST rebuild the entire index ????
>
> Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the index
> was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the same system in
> Vista
>
> --
> -----
> Thank you in advance
> Merci a l'avance
>
> Martin
> "...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
> news:OUQoO4ueHHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> To add..
>> If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or deleted, it
>> must be recreated in the original location to be removed from the index
>> since it will remain in the index but not in the 'browse' option.
>> ..winston
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eNqkoYteHHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Give this a try:
>>> Click Start > type Indexing Options > hit Enter > click Modify > click
>>> Show All Locations > expand C: and browse to the folder in which the
>>> files were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK > Close.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>>> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
>>>> VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great,
>>>> but about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where
>>>> they belong so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find
>>>> those files in both the old and the new folder. I did checked the old
>>>> folder where those files were before and they're not there anymore,
>>>> they're really into the new folder where I want them.
>>>>
>>>> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thank You in Advance
>>>> Merci a l'avance
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Mr. MS guy person developer Sir.

Why did you guys decide to add desktop search in vista, and turn it on by
default???
I can say without doubt that this is one of the worst mistakes ever made on
windows platform
EVER!!!

You took a horribly buggy system that has problems by concept and integrated
it with windows?
And then you have it turned on by default???? OH MY GOD!!!

Suicide.... You will see that too many people will have problem with this
indexing...

it was a mistake. You should NOT index hard drives by default. You should
have left it off be default
like it was on XP. ALSO you should have made it very apparent in the gui, on
how to turn it off
or turn it on. You have hidden even the small blue link like button that was
on XP.

Vista is worse because of this "indexing feature", now its plagued be
erroneous results in search.

Your mistake was that you thought people would not keep shifting data around
and renaming them, deleting them.

Search indexes cannot and will not ever be able to catch up with so many
changes....

Bad idea-concept right from the start. The only reason MS deleveloped
desktop search in the first place was because
Google made its own version.

How pathetic.





"Dave Wood [MS]" <davewood@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:us5QLOxeHHA.4128@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Normally the index will automatically update itself when files are added,
> deleted, modified or moved, so I'm not sure what is happening here.
>
> If you run the Indexing Options Control Panel and leave it for a minute to
> settle down does it say the index is up to date, or that indexing is still
> happening? If you look in the Event Viewer or Problem Reports and
> Solutions do you see any issues related to the search service reported
> there?
>
> Dave
>
>
> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23kbaX7weHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files from that
>> folder to another folder, but the search still show those files as being
>> in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2, but they no longer exist in
>> folder 1 only in folder 2.
>>
>> So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to another he
>> MUST rebuild the entire index ????
>>
>> Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the index
>> was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the same system in
>> Vista
>>
>> --
>> -----
>> Thank you in advance
>> Merci a l'avance
>>
>> Martin
>> "...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
>> news:OUQoO4ueHHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> To add..
>>> If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or deleted,
>>> it must be recreated in the original location to be removed from the
>>> index since it will remain in the index but not in the 'browse' option.
>>> ..winston
>>>
>>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eNqkoYteHHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Give this a try:
>>>> Click Start > type Indexing Options > hit Enter > click Modify > click
>>>> Show All Locations > expand C: and browse to the folder in which the
>>>> files were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK > Close.
>>>> --
>>>> Andre
>>>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>>>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>>>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>>>> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I
>>>>> installed VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which
>>>>> is great, but about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some
>>>>> files where they belong so I moved them, but now when I use the
>>>>> Search, it find those files in both the old and the new folder. I did
>>>>> checked the old folder where those files were before and they're not
>>>>> there anymore, they're really into the new folder where I want them.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thank You in Advance
>>>>> Merci a l'avance
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

I recently moved, rename and shifted around 200 gb of files,
that include 50.000 pdf books, 1000 movie files, and thousands of other
downloads and other files.

Now tell me smarty pants.. how will vista cope with all those changes?

I have seen that indexing becomes useless when people have too many files
and shift them around too much. Not only useless, it also slows the computer
down, makes the hard drive thrash for days if not weeks, and gives you
erroneous results!

Indexing should have been available as an ADD on, IF you wanted it. Not
turned on be default
with no apparent way to turn the frikin thing off.


"...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
news:uaZVnp0eHHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on two
> machines...the information was provided as an option.
> One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in about 2
> minutes. On the other with other partitions also indexed, it took about 15
> minutes.
> If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder can be removed
> from the index then added to index to force the update if you don't wish
> to wait.
>
> ..winston
>
> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23kbaX7weHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files from that
>> folder to another folder, but the search still show those files as being
>> in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2, but they no longer exist in
>> folder 1 only in folder 2.
>>
>> So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to another he
>> MUST rebuild the entire index ????
>>
>> Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the index
>> was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the same system in
>> Vista
>>
>> --
>> -----
>> Thank you in advance
>> Merci a l'avance
>>
>> Martin
>> "...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
>> news:OUQoO4ueHHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> To add..
>>> If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or deleted,
>>> it must be recreated in the original location to be removed from the
>>> index since it will remain in the index but not in the 'browse' option.
>>> ..winston
>>>
>>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eNqkoYteHHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Give this a try:
>>>> Click Start > type Indexing Options > hit Enter > click Modify > click
>>>> Show All Locations > expand C: and browse to the folder in which the
>>>> files were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK > Close.
>>>> --
>>>> Andre
>>>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>>>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>>>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>>>> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I
>>>>> installed VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which
>>>>> is great, but about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some
>>>>> files where they belong so I moved them, but now when I use the
>>>>> Search, it find those files in both the old and the new folder. I did
>>>>> checked the old folder where those files were before and they're not
>>>>> there anymore, they're really into the new folder where I want them.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thank You in Advance
>>>>> Merci a l'avance
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Dear Cap. Kirk,

I have about 2 millions of items in my index (a few years of email and lots
of source code), your puny 50K of PDFs got nothing on it. Unless your 200Gb
is mostly text (like my stuff), item sizes don't matter either since there's
not much to index in a movie or "other downloads". So, my data corpus is
bigger than yours, and in principle it should take longer to finish indexing
it. It takes about 3 days to rebuild my index, that should be fairly
representative of a move performance, and in my opinion it's not too bad.
And yes you can opt out. Open Indexing Options control panel, Modify...,
Show all locations, uncheck everything and click OK, done. Although I can't
imagine my work without being able to search.

There are no known issues with file moves, so we'd like to figure out what
Martin run into and if there really is a bug - fix it for the next version.
Knowing if the index is idle would be a great start. I don't see a reason to
start a flame war here, if you need one that is.

Best regards,
Ilia

"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:%23UEEcs1eHHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I recently moved, rename and shifted around 200 gb of files,
> that include 50.000 pdf books, 1000 movie files, and thousands of other
> downloads and other files.
>
> Now tell me smarty pants.. how will vista cope with all those changes?
>
> I have seen that indexing becomes useless when people have too many files
> and shift them around too much. Not only useless, it also slows the
> computer down, makes the hard drive thrash for days if not weeks, and
> gives you erroneous results!
>
> Indexing should have been available as an ADD on, IF you wanted it. Not
> turned on be default
> with no apparent way to turn the frikin thing off.
>
>
> "...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
> news:uaZVnp0eHHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on two
>> machines...the information was provided as an option.
>> One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in about 2
>> minutes. On the other with other partitions also indexed, it took about
>> 15 minutes.
>> If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder can be
>> removed from the index then added to index to force the update if you
>> don't wish to wait.
>>
>> ..winston
>>
>> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23kbaX7weHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files from
>>> that folder to another folder, but the search still show those files as
>>> being in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2, but they no longer
>>> exist in folder 1 only in folder 2.
>>>
>>> So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to another
>>> he MUST rebuild the entire index ????
>>>
>>> Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the index
>>> was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the same system
>>> in Vista
>>>
>>> --
>>> -----
>>> Thank you in advance
>>> Merci a l'avance
>>>
>>> Martin
>>> "...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OUQoO4ueHHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> To add..
>>>> If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or deleted,
>>>> it must be recreated in the original location to be removed from the
>>>> index since it will remain in the index but not in the 'browse' option.
>>>> ..winston
>>>>
>>>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eNqkoYteHHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Give this a try:
>>>>> Click Start > type Indexing Options > hit Enter > click Modify > click
>>>>> Show All Locations > expand C: and browse to the folder in which the
>>>>> files were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK > Close.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andre
>>>>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>>>>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>>>>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>>>>> "Martin Racette" <rat7_2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:27865500-DC63-48DA-9354-F992C51836E8@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I
>>>>>> installed VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which
>>>>>> is great, but about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some
>>>>>> files where they belong so I moved them, but now when I use the
>>>>>> Search, it find those files in both the old and the new folder. I did
>>>>>> checked the old folder where those files were before and they're not
>>>>>> there anymore, they're really into the new folder where I want them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thank You in Advance
>>>>>> Merci a l'avance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>