Vista - Outlook express

I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot find the
question anymore. I transferred all files from my PC(XP) to laptop(Vista).
I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email via Outlook. Do I have
it, where can I find it?
thanks
if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
Jude

Jude wrote:
> I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot find
> the question anymore. I transferred all files from my PC(XP) to
> laptop(Vista). I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email
> via Outlook. Do I have it, where can I find it?
> thanks
> if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
> Jude

It is now called Windows Mail and it's on the Start Menu.

Hi, Jude.

As Neil Harley said, Outlook Express has been largely written for Vista and
it is now called Windows Mail. Perhaps the most significant change is that
the database of messages is much different. Where 1,000 emails or newsgroup
posts were stored in a single *.dbx file in OE, they are stored as 1,000
separate .eml or .nws files in WM. This prevents the problem that many
users had where corruption in a single message could wipe out the entire
message store; now, only the one message might be lost.

You know, of course, that Outlook (OL 2007, OL XP, etc.) is a completely
separate program from Outlook EXPRESS. And, of course, separate from
Windows Mail, too. Outlook does not do newsgroups, but both Outlook and
Windows Mail (and Outlook Express) can handle email.

For most users, the only problem with the transition to Windows Mail in
Vista is importing the OE database. Usually, the problem is with giving
ourselves permission in Vista to see the contents of the message store from
OE. Even the user interface of WM looks almost identical to OE.

When I sort messages here by "From", I see only this one message from
"Jude", and my message store includes messages back to 1/25/07. Perhaps you
used a different name when you posted your previous question.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)

"Jude" <Jude@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EAF8AE20-1F70-4A82-9991-483471CBF805@microsoft.com...
>I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot find the
> question anymore. I transferred all files from my PC(XP) to
> laptop(Vista).
> I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email via Outlook. Do I
> have
> it, where can I find it?
> thanks
> if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
> Jude

RC

Do you not see a threading problem if you move messages from the
Import Folder to a local folder?

--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



R. C. White, MVP wrote:
> Hi, Jude.
>
> As Neil Harley said, Outlook Express has been largely written for
> Vista and it is now called Windows Mail. Perhaps the most
> significant change is that the database of messages is much
> different. Where 1,000 emails or newsgroup posts were stored in
> a single *.dbx file in OE, they are stored as 1,000 separate .eml
> or .nws files in WM. This prevents the problem that many users
> had where corruption in a single message could wipe out the
> entire message store; now, only the one message might be lost.
> You know, of course, that Outlook (OL 2007, OL XP, etc.) is a
> completely separate program from Outlook EXPRESS. And, of
> course, separate from Windows Mail, too. Outlook does not do
> newsgroups, but both Outlook and Windows Mail (and Outlook
> Express) can handle email.
> For most users, the only problem with the transition to Windows
> Mail in Vista is importing the OE database. Usually, the problem
> is with giving ourselves permission in Vista to see the contents
> of the message store from OE. Even the user interface of WM
> looks almost identical to OE.
> When I sort messages here by "From", I see only this one message
> from "Jude", and my message store includes messages back to
> 1/25/07. Perhaps you used a different name when you posted your
> previous question.
> RC
>
> "Jude" <Jude@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EAF8AE20-1F70-4A82-9991-483471CBF805@microsoft.com...
>> I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot
>> find the question anymore. I transferred all files from my
>> PC(XP) to laptop(Vista).
>> I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email via
>> Outlook. Do I have
>> it, where can I find it?
>> thanks
>> if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
>> Jude

R. C. White, MVP wrote:
> Hi, Jude.
>
> As Neil Harley said, Outlook Express has been largely written for
> Vista and it is now called Windows Mail. Perhaps the most
> significant change is that the database of messages is much
> different. Where 1,000 emails or newsgroup posts were stored in
> a single *.dbx file in OE, they are stored as 1,000 separate .eml
> or .nws files in WM. This prevents the problem that many users
> had where corruption in a single message could wipe out the
> entire message store; now, only the one message might be lost.
> You know, of course, that Outlook (OL 2007, OL XP, etc.) is a
> completely separate program from Outlook EXPRESS. And, of
> course, separate from Windows Mail, too. Outlook does not do
> newsgroups, but both Outlook and Windows Mail (and Outlook
> Express) can handle email.
> For most users, the only problem with the transition to Windows
> Mail in Vista is importing the OE database. Usually, the problem
> is with giving ourselves permission in Vista to see the contents
> of the message store from OE. Even the user interface of WM
> looks almost identical to OE.
> When I sort messages here by "From", I see only this one message
> from "Jude", and my message store includes messages back to
> 1/25/07. Perhaps you used a different name when you posted your
> previous question.
> RC
>
> "Jude" <Jude@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EAF8AE20-1F70-4A82-9991-483471CBF805@microsoft.com...
>> I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot
>> find the question anymore. I transferred all files from my
>> PC(XP) to laptop(Vista).
>> I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email via
>> Outlook. Do I have
>> it, where can I find it?
>> thanks
>> if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
>> Jude

Hi, Gerry.

Yes, I do see a threading problem. Not just from the Import Folder, either.
I often lose threading for messages that are wrongly sent to Junk E-mail and
then moved back. And sometimes the thread gets lost or broken for no reason
that I can figure out.

But that does not seem to have anything to do with Jude's remark that he
"sent this before but cannot find the question anymore." Even when I
UNcheck WM's "Group Messages by Conversation", there's only this one post by
Jude since 1/25/07. If he asked the question before, he must have used a
different name.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)

"Gerry Cornell" <gcjc@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23Ot%23mNphHHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> RC
>
> Do you not see a threading problem if you move messages from the Import
> Folder to a local folder?
>
> --
>
> Regards.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> R. C. White, MVP wrote:
>> Hi, Jude.
>>
>> As Neil Harley said, Outlook Express has been largely written for
>> Vista and it is now called Windows Mail. Perhaps the most
>> significant change is that the database of messages is much
>> different. Where 1,000 emails or newsgroup posts were stored in
>> a single *.dbx file in OE, they are stored as 1,000 separate .eml
>> or .nws files in WM. This prevents the problem that many users
>> had where corruption in a single message could wipe out the
>> entire message store; now, only the one message might be lost.
>> You know, of course, that Outlook (OL 2007, OL XP, etc.) is a
>> completely separate program from Outlook EXPRESS. And, of
>> course, separate from Windows Mail, too. Outlook does not do
>> newsgroups, but both Outlook and Windows Mail (and Outlook
>> Express) can handle email.
>> For most users, the only problem with the transition to Windows
>> Mail in Vista is importing the OE database. Usually, the problem
>> is with giving ourselves permission in Vista to see the contents
>> of the message store from OE. Even the user interface of WM
>> looks almost identical to OE.
>> When I sort messages here by "From", I see only this one message
>> from "Jude", and my message store includes messages back to
>> 1/25/07. Perhaps you used a different name when you posted your
>> previous question.
>> RC
>>
>> "Jude" <Jude@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:EAF8AE20-1F70-4A82-9991-483471CBF805@microsoft.com...
>>> I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot
>>> find the question anymore. I transferred all files from my
>>> PC(XP) to laptop(Vista).
>>> I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email via
>>> Outlook. Do I have
>>> it, where can I find it?
>>> thanks
>>> if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
>>> Jude

RC

I haven't linked the threading issue to the Junk folder. Not much
has gone there, although it has sent some of my own messages there
<G>. I am not generally using my email address for email in Windows
Mail, apart from DTS messages. So far not a single item of true spam
!Amazing! I suppose I need to extend my testing beyond DTS.

Jude has posted to three different newsgroups that I am aware of
concerning Outlook Express in the last 7 days and another on a
different topic. Vista.installation.setup, vista.file.management and
vista.mail. These were made using Internet Explorer, as was the post
to this newsgroup. This explains why he can't find his own posts.

--


Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"R. C. White, MVP" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:77B13327-4DB7-4584-844D-D817FAC2F4AA@microsoft.com...
> Hi, Gerry.
>
> Yes, I do see a threading problem. Not just from the Import
> Folder, either. I often lose threading for messages that are
> wrongly sent to Junk E-mail and then moved back. And sometimes
> the thread gets lost or broken for no reason that I can figure
> out.
>
> But that does not seem to have anything to do with Jude's remark
> that he "sent this before but cannot find the question anymore."
> Even when I UNcheck WM's "Group Messages by Conversation", there's
> only this one post by Jude since 1/25/07. If he asked the
> question before, he must have used a different name.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)
>
> "Gerry Cornell" <gcjc@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Ot%23mNphHHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> RC
>>
>> Do you not see a threading problem if you move messages from the
>> Import Folder to a local folder?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>> R. C. White, MVP wrote:
>>> Hi, Jude.
>>>
>>> As Neil Harley said, Outlook Express has been largely written
>>> for
>>> Vista and it is now called Windows Mail. Perhaps the most
>>> significant change is that the database of messages is much
>>> different. Where 1,000 emails or newsgroup posts were stored in
>>> a single *.dbx file in OE, they are stored as 1,000 separate
>>> .eml
>>> or .nws files in WM. This prevents the problem that many users
>>> had where corruption in a single message could wipe out the
>>> entire message store; now, only the one message might be lost.
>>> You know, of course, that Outlook (OL 2007, OL XP, etc.) is a
>>> completely separate program from Outlook EXPRESS. And, of
>>> course, separate from Windows Mail, too. Outlook does not do
>>> newsgroups, but both Outlook and Windows Mail (and Outlook
>>> Express) can handle email.
>>> For most users, the only problem with the transition to Windows
>>> Mail in Vista is importing the OE database. Usually, the
>>> problem
>>> is with giving ourselves permission in Vista to see the contents
>>> of the message store from OE. Even the user interface of WM
>>> looks almost identical to OE.
>>> When I sort messages here by "From", I see only this one message
>>> from "Jude", and my message store includes messages back to
>>> 1/25/07. Perhaps you used a different name when you posted your
>>> previous question.
>>> RC
>>>
>>> "Jude" <Jude@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:EAF8AE20-1F70-4A82-9991-483471CBF805@microsoft.com...
>>>> I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot
>>>> find the question anymore. I transferred all files from my
>>>> PC(XP) to laptop(Vista).
>>>> I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email via
>>>> Outlook. Do I have
>>>> it, where can I find it?
>>>> thanks
>>>> if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
>>>> Jude
>

Hi, Gerry.

I've seen your DTS posts about the threading issue and started drafting a
response, but it got so confusing - to ME - that I haven't finished it and
sent it yet. I'll try to get it out in the next day or two.

Thanks for tracking down Jude's other question posts. Far too many novice
posters ask a question but then never come back to see the answer! :>(

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)

"Gerry Cornell" <gcjcvis@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23OZ1GXxhHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> RC
>
> I haven't linked the threading issue to the Junk folder. Not much has gone
> there, although it has sent some of my own messages there <G>. I am not
> generally using my email address for email in Windows Mail, apart from DTS
> messages. So far not a single item of true spam !Amazing! I suppose I need
> to extend my testing beyond DTS.
>
> Jude has posted to three different newsgroups that I am aware of
> concerning Outlook Express in the last 7 days and another on a different
> topic. Vista.installation.setup, vista.file.management and vista.mail.
> These were made using Internet Explorer, as was the post to this
> newsgroup. This explains why he can't find his own posts.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> "R. C. White, MVP" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:77B13327-4DB7-4584-844D-D817FAC2F4AA@microsoft.com...
>> Hi, Gerry.
>>
>> Yes, I do see a threading problem. Not just from the Import Folder,
>> either. I often lose threading for messages that are wrongly sent to Junk
>> E-mail and then moved back. And sometimes the thread gets lost or broken
>> for no reason that I can figure out.
>>
>> But that does not seem to have anything to do with Jude's remark that he
>> "sent this before but cannot find the question anymore." Even when I
>> UNcheck WM's "Group Messages by Conversation", there's only this one post
>> by Jude since 1/25/07. If he asked the question before, he must have
>> used a different name.
>>
>> RC
>>
>> "Gerry Cornell" <gcjc@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23Ot%23mNphHHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> RC
>>>
>>> Do you not see a threading problem if you move messages from the Import
>>> Folder to a local folder?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Gerry
>>>
>>>
>>> R. C. White, MVP wrote:
>>>> Hi, Jude.
>>>>
>>>> As Neil Harley said, Outlook Express has been largely written for
>>>> Vista and it is now called Windows Mail. Perhaps the most
>>>> significant change is that the database of messages is much
>>>> different. Where 1,000 emails or newsgroup posts were stored in
>>>> a single *.dbx file in OE, they are stored as 1,000 separate .eml
>>>> or .nws files in WM. This prevents the problem that many users
>>>> had where corruption in a single message could wipe out the
>>>> entire message store; now, only the one message might be lost.
>>>> You know, of course, that Outlook (OL 2007, OL XP, etc.) is a
>>>> completely separate program from Outlook EXPRESS. And, of
>>>> course, separate from Windows Mail, too. Outlook does not do
>>>> newsgroups, but both Outlook and Windows Mail (and Outlook
>>>> Express) can handle email.
>>>> For most users, the only problem with the transition to Windows
>>>> Mail in Vista is importing the OE database. Usually, the problem
>>>> is with giving ourselves permission in Vista to see the contents
>>>> of the message store from OE. Even the user interface of WM
>>>> looks almost identical to OE.
>>>> When I sort messages here by "From", I see only this one message
>>>> from "Jude", and my message store includes messages back to
>>>> 1/25/07. Perhaps you used a different name when you posted your
>>>> previous question.
>>>> RC
>>>>
>>>> "Jude" <Jude@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:EAF8AE20-1F70-4A82-9991-483471CBF805@microsoft.com...
>>>>> I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot
>>>>> find the question anymore. I transferred all files from my
>>>>> PC(XP) to laptop(Vista).
>>>>> I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email via
>>>>> Outlook. Do I have
>>>>> it, where can I find it?
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
>>>>> Jude

Yes, Outlook Express is 'replaced' by Windows Mail BUT Windows Mail does not
connect to Hotmail where OE did. I found this unacceptable. After attempting
to find and load a copy of OE to Vista I discovered Windows Live
Mail -Desktop Beta. This works much like OE (better) and seems to be much
the same as Windows Mail but allowing Hotmail access. The only problem I
have found is that my Kaspersky Internet Security Suite does not have a
anti-Spam plug-in (yet?). However the Microsoft version seems to worrk well.

Regards
Peter_g
"Jude" <Jude@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EAF8AE20-1F70-4A82-9991-483471CBF805@microsoft.com...
>I am so confused w/this Vista. I sent this before but cannot find the
> question anymore. I transferred all files from my PC(XP) to
> laptop(Vista).
> I cannot find my Outlook Express, I like to do email via Outlook. Do I
> have
> it, where can I find it?
> thanks
> if this is a repeat, I am sorry.
> Jude