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05-04-2007
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| | Vista changed folders to shortcuts - now access is denied THIRD time trying to post this - site is refusing posts? Any way, For some unknwon reason, Vista decided to change several important folder into shortcuts and when trying to access them, I get "...c:\foldername\... is not accesible Access is denied." Most importantly the following folders of the loggged-on user are inaccesible and access is nedied: User\Documents\... My Videos My Music My Pictures also... Folders such as Application Data Cookies Local Settings NetHood PrintHood Recent are shortcuts now and access is denied. also, off the root c:\ the following were changed and inaccesible Documents and Settings Users\All Isers Users\Default User As it stands, I can get more use from my $1.99 hand-held calculator than I can from this $2k machine with Vista. |
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05-04-2007
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| | Re: Vista changed folders to shortcuts - now access is denied Shell This is a common problem for users that are looking for the same folder structure in Vista that were used to seeing in XP. The folders you are looking at that appear to be shortcuts are called a Junction or Symbolic Link. These folders are used for backward compatibility, mostly for installation programs that are looking for an old system folder location. They appear where a system folder location, that was part of a previous version of Windows, has been changed in Vista. When an older installation program is installed, these folders will redirect the installation program to the proper folder in Vista. These folders contain no user information. You can use a command prompt to locate the new folder that the Junction points to. Press WINKEY+R and type cmd and press OK. The command window should open at the C:\Users\<username> folder. Type: dir /ahL and press the ENTER key. (Note the space in the command) The result will be a list of folders on the C: drive, here is an example. <date> <time> <JUNCTION> SendTo [C:\Users\<username>AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] This shows the old name of the folder (SendTo) with the path to the new location in brackets. It would be a good idea to print this list for future reference. For reference, Here is the list of Junctions for a standard, clean installation of Vista Ultimate on the C: drive. Office 2007 is installed. Your results may be different because of different software being installed. Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] C:\Users\username>dir /ahl Directory of C:\Users\<username> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Application Data [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Cookies [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Local Settings [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> My Documents [C:\Users\<username>\Documents] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> NetHood [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> PrintHood [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Recent [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> SendTo [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Start Menu [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu] 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> TEMPLATE[C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates (Where "<username>" is the name of the account you are currently logged onto the system with.) The "My" designation for a user folder has been retired, so the old "My" Documents is now called simply Documents. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B419E839-84F2-4562-A892-75719880F301@microsoft.com... > THIRD time trying to post this - site is refusing posts? > > Any way, > For some unknwon reason, Vista decided to change several important folder > into shortcuts and when trying to access them, I get "...c:\foldername\... > is > not accesible Access is denied." > > Most importantly the following folders of the loggged-on user are > inaccesible and access is nedied: > > User\Documents\... > My Videos > My Music > My Pictures > > also... Folders such as > > Application Data > Cookies > Local Settings > NetHood > PrintHood > Recent > are shortcuts now and access is denied. > > also, > > off the root c:\ the following were changed and inaccesible > Documents and Settings > Users\All Isers > Users\Default User > > As it stands, I can get more use from my $1.99 hand-held calculator than I > can from this $2k machine with Vista. > > |
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05-06-2007
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| | Re: Vista changed folders to shortcuts - now access is denied Informative response on junctions -- thanks. Now, remaining question is whether or not these can be safely deleted? "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote: > Shell > > This is a common problem for users that are looking for the same folder > structure in Vista that were used to seeing in XP. > > The folders you are looking at that appear to be shortcuts are called a > Junction or Symbolic Link. These folders are used for backward > compatibility, mostly for installation programs that are looking for an old > system folder location. They appear where a system folder location, that was > part of a previous version of Windows, has been changed in Vista. When an > older installation program is installed, these folders will redirect the > installation program to the proper folder in Vista. These folders contain no > user information. > > You can use a command prompt to locate the new folder that the Junction > points to. > > Press WINKEY+R and type cmd and press OK. > > The command window should open at the C:\Users\<username> folder. > > Type: dir /ahL and press the ENTER key. (Note the space in the > command) > > The result will be a list of folders on the C: drive, here is an example. > > <date> <time> <JUNCTION> SendTo > [C:\Users\<username>AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] > > This shows the old name of the folder (SendTo) with the path to the new > location in brackets. > > It would be a good idea to print this list for future reference. > > > For reference, Here is the list of Junctions for a standard, clean > installation of Vista Ultimate on the C: drive. Office 2007 is installed. > Your results may be different because of different software being installed. > > Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] > > C:\Users\username>dir /ahl > > Directory of C:\Users\<username> > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Application Data > [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Cookies > [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Local Settings > [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> My Documents [C:\Users\<username>\Documents] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> NetHood > [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> PrintHood > [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Recent > [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> SendTo > [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Start Menu > [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu] > > 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> > TEMPLATE[C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates > > > (Where "<username>" is the name of the account you are currently logged onto > the system with.) > > The "My" designation for a user folder has been retired, so the old "My" > Documents is now called simply Documents. > -- > > Ronnie Vernon > Microsoft MVP > Windows Shell/User > > > "Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B419E839-84F2-4562-A892-75719880F301@microsoft.com... > > THIRD time trying to post this - site is refusing posts? > > > > Any way, > > For some unknwon reason, Vista decided to change several important folder > > into shortcuts and when trying to access them, I get "...c:\foldername\... > > is > > not accesible Access is denied." > > > > Most importantly the following folders of the loggged-on user are > > inaccesible and access is nedied: > > > > User\Documents\... > > My Videos > > My Music > > My Pictures > > > > also... Folders such as > > > > Application Data > > Cookies > > Local Settings > > NetHood > > PrintHood > > Recent > > are shortcuts now and access is denied. > > > > also, > > > > off the root c:\ the following were changed and inaccesible > > Documents and Settings > > Users\All Isers > > Users\Default User > > > > As it stands, I can get more use from my $1.99 hand-held calculator than I > > can from this $2k machine with Vista. > > > > > |
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05-06-2007
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| | Re: Vista changed folders to shortcuts - now access is denied No. If you delete the Junctions, you will kill the compatibility for legacy installs? Without the junctions, these installs will either display an error or simply fail. If you don't want to see these folders, just select to not show hidden files and folders in the folders options. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "windward partners" <windwardpartners@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:570CDD63-AA3A-4818-96E5-574B88DC8268@microsoft.com... > Informative response on junctions -- thanks. Now, remaining question is > whether or not these can be safely deleted? > > "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote: > >> Shell >> >> This is a common problem for users that are looking for the same folder >> structure in Vista that were used to seeing in XP. >> >> The folders you are looking at that appear to be shortcuts are called a >> Junction or Symbolic Link. These folders are used for backward >> compatibility, mostly for installation programs that are looking for an >> old >> system folder location. They appear where a system folder location, that >> was >> part of a previous version of Windows, has been changed in Vista. When an >> older installation program is installed, these folders will redirect the >> installation program to the proper folder in Vista. These folders contain >> no >> user information. >> >> You can use a command prompt to locate the new folder that the Junction >> points to. >> >> Press WINKEY+R and type cmd and press OK. >> >> The command window should open at the C:\Users\<username> folder. >> >> Type: dir /ahL and press the ENTER key. (Note the space in the >> command) >> >> The result will be a list of folders on the C: drive, here is an example. >> >> <date> <time> <JUNCTION> SendTo >> [C:\Users\<username>AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] >> >> This shows the old name of the folder (SendTo) with the path to the new >> location in brackets. >> >> It would be a good idea to print this list for future reference. >> >> >> For reference, Here is the list of Junctions for a standard, clean >> installation of Vista Ultimate on the C: drive. Office 2007 is installed. >> Your results may be different because of different software being >> installed. >> >> Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] >> >> C:\Users\username>dir /ahl >> >> Directory of C:\Users\<username> >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Application Data >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Cookies >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Local Settings >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> My Documents >> [C:\Users\<username>\Documents] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> NetHood >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> PrintHood >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Recent >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> SendTo >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Start Menu >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> >> TEMPLATE[C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates >> >> >> (Where "<username>" is the name of the account you are currently logged >> onto >> the system with.) >> >> The "My" designation for a user folder has been retired, so the old "My" >> Documents is now called simply Documents. >> -- >> >> Ronnie Vernon >> Microsoft MVP >> Windows Shell/User >> >> >> "Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:B419E839-84F2-4562-A892-75719880F301@microsoft.com... >> > THIRD time trying to post this - site is refusing posts? >> > >> > Any way, >> > For some unknwon reason, Vista decided to change several important >> > folder >> > into shortcuts and when trying to access them, I get >> > "...c:\foldername\... >> > is >> > not accesible Access is denied." >> > >> > Most importantly the following folders of the loggged-on user are >> > inaccesible and access is nedied: >> > >> > User\Documents\... >> > My Videos >> > My Music >> > My Pictures >> > >> > also... Folders such as >> > >> > Application Data >> > Cookies >> > Local Settings >> > NetHood >> > PrintHood >> > Recent >> > are shortcuts now and access is denied. >> > >> > also, >> > >> > off the root c:\ the following were changed and inaccesible >> > Documents and Settings >> > Users\All Isers >> > Users\Default User >> > >> > As it stands, I can get more use from my $1.99 hand-held calculator >> > than I >> > can from this $2k machine with Vista. >> > >> > >> |
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05-23-2007
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| | Re: Vista changed folders to shortcuts - now access is denied Mr. Vernon, Thank you so, so, so much! I was well aware of the junction issue, but couldn't find ANYWHERE on Microsoft's Knowledge Base or Product Solution Centers how to determine what junctions pointed where (besides the basic My Documents, My Music, etc.) I didn't have a choice about upgrading to Vista when I did, as my old computer's hard drive fried and the entire laptop was replaced under warranty. Thanks to a ridiculous daisy chain (Ubuntu boot disk on fried formerly-WinXP laptop, fiance's laptop running Mac OSX, my desktop running Win2000, and an external hard drive with NTFS partitions, none of which would talk to anything to which they were not directly connected), I had copies of all my data, but I was thus far unable to figure out how the heck to restore certain portions of my application data. Some of my programs (including one I need for one of my jobs) required manual movement of data into the appropriate directories (such as c:\documents and settings\[username]\application data) if one didn't want to completely start from scratch. Stupid library files. Anyway, you're now my hero. Thanks again for a clear, well-written, well-explained walkthrough detailing ALL the junction issues. Lessa1326 "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote: > Shell > > This is a common problem for users that are looking for the same folder > structure in Vista that were used to seeing in XP. > > The folders you are looking at that appear to be shortcuts are called a > Junction or Symbolic Link. These folders are used for backward > compatibility, mostly for installation programs that are looking for an old > system folder location. They appear where a system folder location, that was > part of a previous version of Windows, has been changed in Vista. When an > older installation program is installed, these folders will redirect the > installation program to the proper folder in Vista. These folders contain no > user information. > > You can use a command prompt to locate the new folder that the Junction > points to. > > Press WINKEY+R and type cmd and press OK. > > The command window should open at the C:\Users\<username> folder. > > Type: dir /ahL and press the ENTER key. (Note the space in the > command) > > The result will be a list of folders on the C: drive, here is an example. > > <date> <time> <JUNCTION> SendTo > [C:\Users\<username>AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] > > This shows the old name of the folder (SendTo) with the path to the new > location in brackets. > > It would be a good idea to print this list for future reference. > > > For reference, Here is the list of Junctions for a standard, clean > installation of Vista Ultimate on the C: drive. Office 2007 is installed. > Your results may be different because of different software being installed. <snip> > > Ronnie Vernon > Microsoft MVP > Windows Shell/User |
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05-23-2007
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| | Re: Vista changed folders to shortcuts - now access is denied Deleting a junction using explorer is not safe — it will delete the targeted files immediately as if using shift-delete. If the junction is sent to the Recycle Bin, the targeted files will look safe, but will be deleted when the Recycle Bin is emptied. "windward partners" <windwardpartners@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:570CDD63-AA3A-4818-96E5-574B88DC8268@microsoft.com... > Informative response on junctions -- thanks. Now, remaining question is > whether or not these can be safely deleted? > > "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote: > >> Shell >> >> This is a common problem for users that are looking for the same folder >> structure in Vista that were used to seeing in XP. >> >> The folders you are looking at that appear to be shortcuts are called a >> Junction or Symbolic Link. These folders are used for backward >> compatibility, mostly for installation programs that are looking for an >> old >> system folder location. They appear where a system folder location, that >> was >> part of a previous version of Windows, has been changed in Vista. When an >> older installation program is installed, these folders will redirect the >> installation program to the proper folder in Vista. These folders contain >> no >> user information. >> >> You can use a command prompt to locate the new folder that the Junction >> points to. >> >> Press WINKEY+R and type cmd and press OK. >> >> The command window should open at the C:\Users\<username> folder. >> >> Type: dir /ahL and press the ENTER key. (Note the space in the >> command) >> >> The result will be a list of folders on the C: drive, here is an example. >> >> <date> <time> <JUNCTION> SendTo >> [C:\Users\<username>AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] >> >> This shows the old name of the folder (SendTo) with the path to the new >> location in brackets. >> >> It would be a good idea to print this list for future reference. >> >> >> For reference, Here is the list of Junctions for a standard, clean >> installation of Vista Ultimate on the C: drive. Office 2007 is installed. >> Your results may be different because of different software being >> installed. >> >> Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] >> >> C:\Users\username>dir /ahl >> >> Directory of C:\Users\<username> >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Application Data >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Cookies >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Local Settings >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> My Documents >> [C:\Users\<username>\Documents] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> NetHood >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> PrintHood >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Recent >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> SendTo >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> Start Menu >> [C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu] >> >> 12/13/2006 03:15 PM <JUNCTION> >> TEMPLATE[C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates >> >> >> (Where "<username>" is the name of the account you are currently logged >> onto >> the system with.) >> >> The "My" designation for a user folder has been retired, so the old "My" >> Documents is now called simply Documents. >> -- >> >> Ronnie Vernon >> Microsoft MVP >> Windows Shell/User >> >> >> "Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:B419E839-84F2-4562-A892-75719880F301@microsoft.com... >> > THIRD time trying to post this - site is refusing posts? >> > >> > Any way, >> > For some unknwon reason, Vista decided to change several important >> > folder >> > into shortcuts and when trying to access them, I get >> > "...c:\foldername\... >> > is >> > not accesible Access is denied." >> > >> > Most importantly the following folders of the loggged-on user are >> > inaccesible and access is nedied: >> > >> > User\Documents\... >> > My Videos >> > My Music >> > My Pictures >> > >> > also... Folders such as >> > >> > Application Data >> > Cookies >> > Local Settings >> > NetHood >> > PrintHood >> > Recent >> > are shortcuts now and access is denied. >> > >> > also, >> > >> > off the root c:\ the following were changed and inaccesible >> > Documents and Settings >> > Users\All Isers >> > Users\Default User >> > >> > As it stands, I can get more use from my $1.99 hand-held calculator >> > than I >> > can from this $2k machine with Vista. >> > >> > >> |
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05-24-2007
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| | Re: Vista changed folders to shortcuts - now access is denied Lessa1326 Your welcome and thank you for the kind words, you made my day.  -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User "Lessa1326" <Lessa1326@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E5AAB639-9DED-4D0B-A67B-40DE88E94DF4@microsoft.com... > Mr. Vernon, > > Thank you so, so, so much! > > I was well aware of the junction issue, but couldn't find ANYWHERE on > Microsoft's Knowledge Base or Product Solution Centers how to determine > what > junctions pointed where (besides the basic My Documents, My Music, etc.) > > I didn't have a choice about upgrading to Vista when I did, as my old > computer's hard drive fried and the entire laptop was replaced under > warranty. Thanks to a ridiculous daisy chain (Ubuntu boot disk on fried > formerly-WinXP laptop, fiance's laptop running Mac OSX, my desktop running > Win2000, and an external hard drive with NTFS partitions, none of which > would > talk to anything to which they were not directly connected), I had copies > of > all my data, but I was thus far unable to > figure out how the heck to restore certain portions of my application > data. > Some of my programs (including one I need for one of my jobs) required > manual > movement of data into the appropriate directories (such as c:\documents > and > settings\[username]\application data) if one didn't want to completely > start > from scratch. Stupid library files. > > Anyway, you're now my hero. Thanks again for a clear, well-written, > well-explained walkthrough detailing ALL the junction issues. > > Lessa1326 > > > "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote: > >> Shell >> >> This is a common problem for users that are looking for the same folder >> structure in Vista that were used to seeing in XP. >> >> The folders you are looking at that appear to be shortcuts are called a >> Junction or Symbolic Link. These folders are used for backward >> compatibility, mostly for installation programs that are looking for an >> old >> system folder location. They appear where a system folder location, that >> was >> part of a previous version of Windows, has been changed in Vista. When an >> older installation program is installed, these folders will redirect the >> installation program to the proper folder in Vista. These folders contain >> no >> user information. >> >> You can use a command prompt to locate the new folder that the Junction >> points to. >> >> Press WINKEY+R and type cmd and press OK. >> >> The command window should open at the C:\Users\<username> folder. >> >> Type: dir /ahL and press the ENTER key. (Note the space in the >> command) >> >> The result will be a list of folders on the C: drive, here is an example. >> >> <date> <time> <JUNCTION> SendTo >> [C:\Users\<username>AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo] >> >> This shows the old name of the folder (SendTo) with the path to the new >> location in brackets. >> >> It would be a good idea to print this list for future reference. >> >> >> For reference, Here is the list of Junctions for a standard, clean >> installation of Vista Ultimate on the C: drive. Office 2007 is installed. >> Your results may be different because of different software being >> installed. > > <snip> > >> >> Ronnie Vernon >> Microsoft MVP >> Windows Shell/User > |
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