I am having extreme lag in Battlefield 2

Regardless of my video settings I am getting 20 - 40 FPS. I have a
Creative Audigy 2 ZS and ATIX800XL on a NFORCE 2 board in a shuttle
box.

I'll try disabling the Creative card tonight to see if that helps
And I saw in another thread where someone installed the August
released 9.0c Direct X. I would of thought that Vista would have had
the latest DX.

Are there any MS employees monitoring their newsgroup?

Any other ideas to fix the problem. I have a feeling Creative is
causing some issues because people in ventrillo sound like they have
robot voices.

Just out of curiousity what were your expectations with an Nforce 2 chipset
and an ATI800XL in MS Vista? Please look at this website from NVIDIA which
shows that this chipset is not on NVIDIA's compatibility list (unless you
typed an incorrect number for the chipset):

http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html

While it is true that Microsoft might write some drivers for older chipsets
I can not recommend anyone upgrading to Vista without at least checking out
the website link above if you have NVIDIA products. I believe 20-40 FPS is
what you would expect to get from your setup.

regards
Robert


"Phillip" <paputzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:1170954381.531531.19490@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Regardless of my video settings I am getting 20 - 40 FPS. I have a
> Creative Audigy 2 ZS and ATIX800XL on a NFORCE 2 board in a shuttle
> box.
>
> I'll try disabling the Creative card tonight to see if that helps
> And I saw in another thread where someone installed the August
> released 9.0c Direct X. I would of thought that Vista would have had
> the latest DX.
>
> Are there any MS employees monitoring their newsgroup?
>
> Any other ideas to fix the problem. I have a feeling Creative is
> causing some issues because people in ventrillo sound like they have
> robot voices.
>

I was able to run BF2 over 80FPS at 1280x1024 - The native res of my LCD. And
your telling me that I should expect 20-40 FPS at 800x600 with everything
turned off.

I see threads where people are running WOW on ATI 9700s. Why would MS sell
an upgrade version if noone can upgrade. The minimum specs are 1.0 ghz and
512 ram I believe I amd running over 2.0Ghz AMD 3000XP and 2 gig of ram.

My expectations were a working product. It runs fine on my even older
toshiba laptop with 512 ram and a geforce go video card with only 32 meg of
memory.

There is obviously a driver issue somewhere. I was hoping for answers. Back
to XP.


"RR Johnson Jr." wrote:

> Just out of curiousity what were your expectations with an Nforce 2 chipset
> and an ATI800XL in MS Vista? Please look at this website from NVIDIA which
> shows that this chipset is not on NVIDIA's compatibility list (unless you
> typed an incorrect number for the chipset):
>
> http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html
>
> While it is true that Microsoft might write some drivers for older chipsets
> I can not recommend anyone upgrading to Vista without at least checking out
> the website link above if you have NVIDIA products. I believe 20-40 FPS is
> what you would expect to get from your setup.
>
> regards
> Robert
>
>
> "Phillip" <paputzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:1170954381.531531.19490@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > Regardless of my video settings I am getting 20 - 40 FPS. I have a
> > Creative Audigy 2 ZS and ATIX800XL on a NFORCE 2 board in a shuttle
> > box.
> >
> > I'll try disabling the Creative card tonight to see if that helps
> > And I saw in another thread where someone installed the August
> > released 9.0c Direct X. I would of thought that Vista would have had
> > the latest DX.
> >
> > Are there any MS employees monitoring their newsgroup?
> >
> > Any other ideas to fix the problem. I have a feeling Creative is
> > causing some issues because people in ventrillo sound like they have
> > robot voices.
> >
>
>

Well, it's a tough quesiton. I don't know that you're limited to 20-40 fps
without question. But it's possible you might be, if Vista doesn't have
motherboard drivers (aka chipset drivers). I've seen alot of people have
poor gaming performance after doing a fresh install of XP, because they
didn't load the motherboard drivers and so the OS and hardware didn't talk.
If you run dxdiag, you should see AGP Enabled set to Yes. If it is no, then
there is a disconnect between the OS and hardware and you'll never get the
full speed of the video card.

But even if it does say yes, it doesn't mean it's actually working
correctly. Without vista supported mobo drivers, you may have issues. Did
you try downloading a benchmark program called 3Dmark06 ? It will remove the
sound card out of the performance metrics and give you an ideal of how
you're running compared to other systems. You should be able to do into
Device Manager and disable you Creative stuf and that should remove any
bottlenecks it's creating.

CPU speed and Memory part of the requirement for Vista, having supported
hardware is the other little thing. It's not that your NF2 board won't work,
or that it can't work correctly. It might just take some extra effort to get
it to work, since it's unsupported.

Just for the heck of it, you might try installing the Nforce drivers for
either XP or the Vista drivers for the Nforce3 or 4
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce4...a32_15.00.html. Of course,
doing such could crash your vista install and kill every one standing near
the machine

At the end of it all, going back to XP might be your only working option, at
least until someone writes some home made NF2 vista drivers. Keep an eye on
www.guru3d.com


"Phil" <Phil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F931DB9C-E2E0-4F7A-B373-09F165748B9E@microsoft.com...
>I was able to run BF2 over 80FPS at 1280x1024 - The native res of my LCD.
>And
> your telling me that I should expect 20-40 FPS at 800x600 with everything
> turned off.
>
> I see threads where people are running WOW on ATI 9700s. Why would MS sell
> an upgrade version if noone can upgrade. The minimum specs are 1.0 ghz and
> 512 ram I believe I amd running over 2.0Ghz AMD 3000XP and 2 gig of ram.
>
> My expectations were a working product. It runs fine on my even older
> toshiba laptop with 512 ram and a geforce go video card with only 32 meg
> of
> memory.
>
> There is obviously a driver issue somewhere. I was hoping for answers.
> Back
> to XP.
>
>
> "RR Johnson Jr." wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiousity what were your expectations with an Nforce 2
>> chipset
>> and an ATI800XL in MS Vista? Please look at this website from NVIDIA
>> which
>> shows that this chipset is not on NVIDIA's compatibility list (unless you
>> typed an incorrect number for the chipset):
>>
>> http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html
>>
>> While it is true that Microsoft might write some drivers for older
>> chipsets
>> I can not recommend anyone upgrading to Vista without at least checking
>> out
>> the website link above if you have NVIDIA products. I believe 20-40 FPS
>> is
>> what you would expect to get from your setup.
>>
>> regards
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> "Phillip" <paputzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>> news:1170954381.531531.19490@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> > Regardless of my video settings I am getting 20 - 40 FPS. I have a
>> > Creative Audigy 2 ZS and ATIX800XL on a NFORCE 2 board in a shuttle
>> > box.
>> >
>> > I'll try disabling the Creative card tonight to see if that helps
>> > And I saw in another thread where someone installed the August
>> > released 9.0c Direct X. I would of thought that Vista would have had
>> > the latest DX.
>> >
>> > Are there any MS employees monitoring their newsgroup?
>> >
>> > Any other ideas to fix the problem. I have a feeling Creative is
>> > causing some issues because people in ventrillo sound like they have
>> > robot voices.
>> >
>>
>>

Thanks for the help. I disabled the Creative card after seeing in DXDiag that
there were issues with a file. Then enabled my onboard Sound and I am up and
running bf around 50 fps at 1280x960. A little less of a res than it ran at
before but I haven't tweaked it all out yet. IS onboard audio - Sound storm
considered hardware audio?

Oh well thanks for the help. I didn't want go back to XP. And I new it was a
driver issue somewhere. Hopefully creative gets on the ball soon so I can get
my EAX back.

"Dale M. White" wrote:

> Well, it's a tough quesiton. I don't know that you're limited to 20-40 fps
> without question. But it's possible you might be, if Vista doesn't have
> motherboard drivers (aka chipset drivers). I've seen alot of people have
> poor gaming performance after doing a fresh install of XP, because they
> didn't load the motherboard drivers and so the OS and hardware didn't talk.
> If you run dxdiag, you should see AGP Enabled set to Yes. If it is no, then
> there is a disconnect between the OS and hardware and you'll never get the
> full speed of the video card.
>
> But even if it does say yes, it doesn't mean it's actually working
> correctly. Without vista supported mobo drivers, you may have issues. Did
> you try downloading a benchmark program called 3Dmark06 ? It will remove the
> sound card out of the performance metrics and give you an ideal of how
> you're running compared to other systems. You should be able to do into
> Device Manager and disable you Creative stuf and that should remove any
> bottlenecks it's creating.
>
> CPU speed and Memory part of the requirement for Vista, having supported
> hardware is the other little thing. It's not that your NF2 board won't work,
> or that it can't work correctly. It might just take some extra effort to get
> it to work, since it's unsupported.
>
> Just for the heck of it, you might try installing the Nforce drivers for
> either XP or the Vista drivers for the Nforce3 or 4
> http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce4...a32_15.00.html. Of course,
> doing such could crash your vista install and kill every one standing near
> the machine
>
> At the end of it all, going back to XP might be your only working option, at
> least until someone writes some home made NF2 vista drivers. Keep an eye on
> www.guru3d.com
>
>
> "Phil" <Phil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F931DB9C-E2E0-4F7A-B373-09F165748B9E@microsoft.com...
> >I was able to run BF2 over 80FPS at 1280x1024 - The native res of my LCD.
> >And
> > your telling me that I should expect 20-40 FPS at 800x600 with everything
> > turned off.
> >
> > I see threads where people are running WOW on ATI 9700s. Why would MS sell
> > an upgrade version if noone can upgrade. The minimum specs are 1.0 ghz and
> > 512 ram I believe I amd running over 2.0Ghz AMD 3000XP and 2 gig of ram.
> >
> > My expectations were a working product. It runs fine on my even older
> > toshiba laptop with 512 ram and a geforce go video card with only 32 meg
> > of
> > memory.
> >
> > There is obviously a driver issue somewhere. I was hoping for answers.
> > Back
> > to XP.
> >
> >
> > "RR Johnson Jr." wrote:
> >
> >> Just out of curiousity what were your expectations with an Nforce 2
> >> chipset
> >> and an ATI800XL in MS Vista? Please look at this website from NVIDIA
> >> which
> >> shows that this chipset is not on NVIDIA's compatibility list (unless you
> >> typed an incorrect number for the chipset):
> >>
> >> http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html
> >>
> >> While it is true that Microsoft might write some drivers for older
> >> chipsets
> >> I can not recommend anyone upgrading to Vista without at least checking
> >> out
> >> the website link above if you have NVIDIA products. I believe 20-40 FPS
> >> is
> >> what you would expect to get from your setup.
> >>
> >> regards
> >> Robert
> >>
> >>
> >> "Phillip" <paputzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1170954381.531531.19490@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Regardless of my video settings I am getting 20 - 40 FPS. I have a
> >> > Creative Audigy 2 ZS and ATIX800XL on a NFORCE 2 board in a shuttle
> >> > box.
> >> >
> >> > I'll try disabling the Creative card tonight to see if that helps
> >> > And I saw in another thread where someone installed the August
> >> > released 9.0c Direct X. I would of thought that Vista would have had
> >> > the latest DX.
> >> >
> >> > Are there any MS employees monitoring their newsgroup?
> >> >
> >> > Any other ideas to fix the problem. I have a feeling Creative is
> >> > causing some issues because people in ventrillo sound like they have
> >> > robot voices.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

I might be wrong here when I have been doing my research but I dont think
that there are any plans for creative to address the issue of EAX in windows
vista.

Following qoute taken from

http://www.soundblaster.com/Applicat...&categoryID=13

"In Windows Vista, Microsoft has decided to remove the Hardware Abstraction
Layer (HAL) for DirectSound and DirectSound3D. The HAL is the software layer
that on previous Windows Operating Systems enabled an audio accelerator such
as the Sound Blaster® X-Fi™, to provide DirectSound3D applications with
hardware accelerated audio. This enabled sound cards to perform tasks such as
sample-rate conversion, mixing, 3D spatialization using HRTFs, filtering, and
effects processing. "


This will effect the Audigy 2 zs cards and most of the others that use EAX
as well.

MBG






"Phil" wrote:

> Thanks for the help. I disabled the Creative card after seeing in DXDiag that
> there were issues with a file. Then enabled my onboard Sound and I am up and
> running bf around 50 fps at 1280x960. A little less of a res than it ran at
> before but I haven't tweaked it all out yet. IS onboard audio - Sound storm
> considered hardware audio?
>
> Oh well thanks for the help. I didn't want go back to XP. And I new it was a
> driver issue somewhere. Hopefully creative gets on the ball soon so I can get
> my EAX back.
>
> "Dale M. White" wrote:
>
> > Well, it's a tough quesiton. I don't know that you're limited to 20-40 fps
> > without question. But it's possible you might be, if Vista doesn't have
> > motherboard drivers (aka chipset drivers). I've seen alot of people have
> > poor gaming performance after doing a fresh install of XP, because they
> > didn't load the motherboard drivers and so the OS and hardware didn't talk.
> > If you run dxdiag, you should see AGP Enabled set to Yes. If it is no, then
> > there is a disconnect between the OS and hardware and you'll never get the
> > full speed of the video card.
> >
> > But even if it does say yes, it doesn't mean it's actually working
> > correctly. Without vista supported mobo drivers, you may have issues. Did
> > you try downloading a benchmark program called 3Dmark06 ? It will remove the
> > sound card out of the performance metrics and give you an ideal of how
> > you're running compared to other systems. You should be able to do into
> > Device Manager and disable you Creative stuf and that should remove any
> > bottlenecks it's creating.
> >
> > CPU speed and Memory part of the requirement for Vista, having supported
> > hardware is the other little thing. It's not that your NF2 board won't work,
> > or that it can't work correctly. It might just take some extra effort to get
> > it to work, since it's unsupported.
> >
> > Just for the heck of it, you might try installing the Nforce drivers for
> > either XP or the Vista drivers for the Nforce3 or 4
> > http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce4...a32_15.00.html. Of course,
> > doing such could crash your vista install and kill every one standing near
> > the machine
> >
> > At the end of it all, going back to XP might be your only working option, at
> > least until someone writes some home made NF2 vista drivers. Keep an eye on
> > www.guru3d.com
> >
> >
> > "Phil" <Phil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:F931DB9C-E2E0-4F7A-B373-09F165748B9E@microsoft.com...
> > >I was able to run BF2 over 80FPS at 1280x1024 - The native res of my LCD.
> > >And
> > > your telling me that I should expect 20-40 FPS at 800x600 with everything
> > > turned off.
> > >
> > > I see threads where people are running WOW on ATI 9700s. Why would MS sell
> > > an upgrade version if noone can upgrade. The minimum specs are 1.0 ghz and
> > > 512 ram I believe I amd running over 2.0Ghz AMD 3000XP and 2 gig of ram.
> > >
> > > My expectations were a working product. It runs fine on my even older
> > > toshiba laptop with 512 ram and a geforce go video card with only 32 meg
> > > of
> > > memory.
> > >
> > > There is obviously a driver issue somewhere. I was hoping for answers.
> > > Back
> > > to XP.
> > >
> > >
> > > "RR Johnson Jr." wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just out of curiousity what were your expectations with an Nforce 2
> > >> chipset
> > >> and an ATI800XL in MS Vista? Please look at this website from NVIDIA
> > >> which
> > >> shows that this chipset is not on NVIDIA's compatibility list (unless you
> > >> typed an incorrect number for the chipset):
> > >>
> > >> http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html
> > >>
> > >> While it is true that Microsoft might write some drivers for older
> > >> chipsets
> > >> I can not recommend anyone upgrading to Vista without at least checking
> > >> out
> > >> the website link above if you have NVIDIA products. I believe 20-40 FPS
> > >> is
> > >> what you would expect to get from your setup.
> > >>
> > >> regards
> > >> Robert
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Phillip" <paputzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1170954381.531531.19490@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > Regardless of my video settings I am getting 20 - 40 FPS. I have a
> > >> > Creative Audigy 2 ZS and ATIX800XL on a NFORCE 2 board in a shuttle
> > >> > box.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'll try disabling the Creative card tonight to see if that helps
> > >> > And I saw in another thread where someone installed the August
> > >> > released 9.0c Direct X. I would of thought that Vista would have had
> > >> > the latest DX.
> > >> >
> > >> > Are there any MS employees monitoring their newsgroup?
> > >> >
> > >> > Any other ideas to fix the problem. I have a feeling Creative is
> > >> > causing some issues because people in ventrillo sound like they have
> > >> > robot voices.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >