Vista - 1280x720 not available in games

Hope someone has an answer for me on this one:

I have a Samsung 60" DLP TV plugged into my PC via VGA (Radeon X1800 XT).
In Windows XP, I was able to choose 1280x720 resolution in most new games.

In Vista Home Premium 64 Bit, I am able to choose 1280x720 on the desktop,
but the option is not available in any games (despite the fact that I know
they offer it as I've played them in XP). My monitor is listed as Generic
PnP. Samsung does not appear to have any drivers for TVs.

What's a guy to do? I can run the games at other resolutions just fine, but
I'd prefer to run them at 720p. What is the problem? Is it the ATI driver?
The lack of a TV driver? Or what?

Is there an option with these games to run "Same as Desktop" for the
resolution?

Also (and I just have to state this) games should not lose in-game menu
based resolutions.

I've never seen that under any OS with any driver configurations.

A couple places where you might find good support (if no one here can help)
are http://www.driverheaven.net & http://www.rage3d.com

Both are great ATi based communities that a lot of actual ATi driver
engineers post on.

"p1ut0nium" <p1ut0nium@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hope someone has an answer for me on this one:
>
> I have a Samsung 60" DLP TV plugged into my PC via VGA (Radeon X1800 XT).
> In Windows XP, I was able to choose 1280x720 resolution in most new games.
>
> In Vista Home Premium 64 Bit, I am able to choose 1280x720 on the desktop,
> but the option is not available in any games (despite the fact that I know
> they offer it as I've played them in XP). My monitor is listed as Generic
> PnP. Samsung does not appear to have any drivers for TVs.
>
> What's a guy to do? I can run the games at other resolutions just fine,
> but
> I'd prefer to run them at 720p. What is the problem? Is it the ATI
> driver?
> The lack of a TV driver? Or what?

There is an issue with some games not listing all avalable resolutions with
the ATI 7.2 drivers, NHL 07 only has 640 x 480 avalable, It may be a ATI
driver problem. ATI is aware of this issue.

"Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:Oa0FpktaHHA.1388@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Is there an option with these games to run "Same as Desktop" for the
> resolution?
>
> Also (and I just have to state this) games should not lose in-game menu
> based resolutions.
>
> I've never seen that under any OS with any driver configurations.
>
> A couple places where you might find good support (if no one here can
> help) are http://www.driverheaven.net & http://www.rage3d.com
>
> Both are great ATi based communities that a lot of actual ATi driver
> engineers post on.
>
> "p1ut0nium" <p1ut0nium@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:33503C81-F18D-4C9F-A1FA-C1C679975873@microsoft.com...
>> Hope someone has an answer for me on this one:
>>
>> I have a Samsung 60" DLP TV plugged into my PC via VGA (Radeon X1800 XT).
>> In Windows XP, I was able to choose 1280x720 resolution in most new
>> games.
>>
>> In Vista Home Premium 64 Bit, I am able to choose 1280x720 on the
>> desktop,
>> but the option is not available in any games (despite the fact that I
>> know
>> they offer it as I've played them in XP). My monitor is listed as
>> Generic
>> PnP. Samsung does not appear to have any drivers for TVs.
>>
>> What's a guy to do? I can run the games at other resolutions just fine,
>> but
>> I'd prefer to run them at 720p. What is the problem? Is it the ATI
>> driver?
>> The lack of a TV driver? Or what?
>

Ah thank you. Fortunately, I am upgrading to an nVidia 8800 in a few weeks -
hopefully their drivers won't have the same issues. I thought I was going
crazy - I just knew these games has 1280x720 before I switched over to Vista.

Thanks again!

"Darkelldar" wrote:

> There is an issue with some games not listing all avalable resolutions with
> the ATI 7.2 drivers, NHL 07 only has 640 x 480 avalable, It may be a ATI
> driver problem. ATI is aware of this issue.
>
> "Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:Oa0FpktaHHA.1388@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Is there an option with these games to run "Same as Desktop" for the
> > resolution?
> >
> > Also (and I just have to state this) games should not lose in-game menu
> > based resolutions.
> >
> > I've never seen that under any OS with any driver configurations.
> >
> > A couple places where you might find good support (if no one here can
> > help) are http://www.driverheaven.net & http://www.rage3d.com
> >
> > Both are great ATi based communities that a lot of actual ATi driver
> > engineers post on.
> >
> > "p1ut0nium" <p1ut0nium@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:33503C81-F18D-4C9F-A1FA-C1C679975873@microsoft.com...
> >> Hope someone has an answer for me on this one:
> >>
> >> I have a Samsung 60" DLP TV plugged into my PC via VGA (Radeon X1800 XT).
> >> In Windows XP, I was able to choose 1280x720 resolution in most new
> >> games.
> >>
> >> In Vista Home Premium 64 Bit, I am able to choose 1280x720 on the
> >> desktop,
> >> but the option is not available in any games (despite the fact that I
> >> know
> >> they offer it as I've played them in XP). My monitor is listed as
> >> Generic
> >> PnP. Samsung does not appear to have any drivers for TVs.
> >>
> >> What's a guy to do? I can run the games at other resolutions just fine,
> >> but
> >> I'd prefer to run them at 720p. What is the problem? Is it the ATI
> >> driver?
> >> The lack of a TV driver? Or what?
> >
>
>

"p1ut0nium" <p1ut0nium@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1C007B3B-454E-4CD6-9E93-F536B06A6058@microsoft.com...
> Ah thank you. Fortunately, I am upgrading to an nVidia 8800 in a few
> weeks -
> hopefully their drivers won't have the same issues. I thought I was going
> crazy - I just knew these games has 1280x720 before I switched over to
> Vista.

You're upgrading to nVidia in the hope of avoiding Vista driver issues?
*snicker* Oh boy. You're in for a *treat*. Not.

Both ATI and NVidia have problems of one kind or another with Vista. If you
spend just 10 mins searching here you'll see plenty of tales of woe about
problems with NVidia drivers, for example.

My advice, for whatever it is worth, is that the only two reasons you should
buy a new video card for use with Vista right now are as follows

1) The old one is on fire. I mean literally on fire. And it doesn't work
afterwards.
2) The old one simply doesn't work in any acceptable way in Vista (whatever
'acceptable' means to you.


--
Robert Moir
http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com

Actually right now ATI's issues are minor such as this weird resolution bug.

nVidia's on the other hand, flickering all over the place in different
games, flat-out BSOD's in several cases, I've even heard of a case with an
8800GTS model where for some odd reason the driver caused a serious enough
looping crash that Vista had to be reinstalled.

The odd thing is the vid drivers are supposed to be user-mode only so they
shouldn't do this.

I know ATi is actually following the user-mode guidelines properly, I don't
know if nVidia is or not though (note the re-install I heard about was not
using a WHQL driver)


"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "p1ut0nium" <p1ut0nium@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1C007B3B-454E-4CD6-9E93-F536B06A6058@microsoft.com...
>> Ah thank you. Fortunately, I am upgrading to an nVidia 8800 in a few
>> weeks -
>> hopefully their drivers won't have the same issues. I thought I was
>> going
>> crazy - I just knew these games has 1280x720 before I switched over to
>> Vista.
>
> You're upgrading to nVidia in the hope of avoiding Vista driver issues?
> *snicker* Oh boy. You're in for a *treat*. Not.
>
> Both ATI and NVidia have problems of one kind or another with Vista. If
> you spend just 10 mins searching here you'll see plenty of tales of woe
> about problems with NVidia drivers, for example.
>
> My advice, for whatever it is worth, is that the only two reasons you
> should buy a new video card for use with Vista right now are as follows
>
> 1) The old one is on fire. I mean literally on fire. And it doesn't work
> afterwards.
> 2) The old one simply doesn't work in any acceptable way in Vista
> (whatever 'acceptable' means to you.
>
>
> --
> Robert Moir
> http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com
>

"Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:eh1wp2zaHHA.960@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Actually right now ATI's issues are minor such as this weird resolution
> bug.

Perhaps. But ATI are to thank for the BSODs I've seen on Vista RTM.

> nVidia's on the other hand, flickering all over the place in different
> games, flat-out BSOD's in several cases, I've even heard of a case with an
> 8800GTS model where for some odd reason the driver caused a serious enough
> looping crash that Vista had to be reinstalled.

Ouch.

> The odd thing is the vid drivers are supposed to be user-mode only so they
> shouldn't do this.
>
> I know ATi is actually following the user-mode guidelines properly, I
> don't know if nVidia is or not though (note the re-install I heard about
> was not using a WHQL driver)

Wellp I'm using the drivers ATI are pushing on the support site and it's
managed to BSOD for me here. To be honest, Video was ropey on XP when it was
first launched, too, so I am not overly shocked here.

Hello,

I am NOT sure if it is just me or NOT. However, I purchased Windows
Vista
Ultimate the very FIRST day it came out (actually I waited in line at BEST
BUY to
get the software), and it works FLAWLESSLY..!!!

However, I read these stories here about having problems and they are
just
totally blowing me away.. I have had Vista Ultimate for 2 months now and I
am having
absolutely ZERO (0) Problems with my system.. I do not know if it is my
graphics card
or my system, but, I upgraded from an HP Media Center m1270n computer system
which
had an ATI card in it.. I upgraded my hardware to a nVidia GeForce 7900 GS
graphics
card prior to the Vista Ultimate software upgrade and added additional
memory..

Is it just me, or am I Lucky.. Windows Vista Ultimate is fantastic.. No
problems.. I only
have a 4.8 rating but it works fine with everything I run on it..

Ken

"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:eh1wp2zaHHA.960@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Actually right now ATI's issues are minor such as this weird resolution
>> bug.
>
> Perhaps. But ATI are to thank for the BSODs I've seen on Vista RTM.
>
>> nVidia's on the other hand, flickering all over the place in different
>> games, flat-out BSOD's in several cases, I've even heard of a case with
>> an 8800GTS model where for some odd reason the driver caused a serious
>> enough looping crash that Vista had to be reinstalled.
>
> Ouch.
>
>> The odd thing is the vid drivers are supposed to be user-mode only so
>> they shouldn't do this.
>>
>> I know ATi is actually following the user-mode guidelines properly, I
>> don't know if nVidia is or not though (note the re-install I heard about
>> was not using a WHQL driver)
>
> Wellp I'm using the drivers ATI are pushing on the support site and it's
> managed to BSOD for me here. To be honest, Video was ropey on XP when it
> was first launched, too, so I am not overly shocked here.
>

As a matter of fact, I have enjoyed flawless operation of Windows Vista x64
until I installed ATI CCC 7.3, recently. I get a BSOD before the bootup
sequence is completed. If I uninstall everything and then install ATI CCC
7.2, I have no problems at all. Too bad about ATI's techinical support,
though, as I've never been able to speak with someone who knows more than me
about the issues I've tried to get resolved.

Tyler Cobb, MCP

Tyler, there was a bug in the 7.3. What you have to do is load up 7.3,
then before you reboot, look in services and see if there is a ATI External
Event Utility. If there is disable it and reboot as normal. If not,
reboot, go into safe mode and disable the service. You will be able to load
as normal.

Paul Clemmons, OEM MS System Builder
Wicked Machines, Home of Extreme Gaming Systems
www.wickedmachines.com


"Tyler Cobb" <tyler.cobb@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> As a matter of fact, I have enjoyed flawless operation of Windows Vista
> x64 until I installed ATI CCC 7.3, recently. I get a BSOD before the
> bootup sequence is completed. If I uninstall everything and then install
> ATI CCC 7.2, I have no problems at all. Too bad about ATI's techinical
> support, though, as I've never been able to speak with someone who knows
> more than me about the issues I've tried to get resolved.
>
> Tyler Cobb, MCP
>