Vista - Just something I noticed

10-20-2007

I just noticed how pretty Vista is.
I just noticed that Vista sucks ass.
I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone knows
where I stand.
I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn
idiocy.
MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs.
All that matters is honesty and fairness.
A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good along
with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of common
sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the
indefensible as well as what should be defended.

I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled.
Vista looks nice...
Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster
browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool , with
the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice doo-dads
(Sidebar goodies), etc ...
A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP , my
Vista and co-workers laptop Vista)
Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many
duplicate and crossed settings, etc.
Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ...
heheheh.
Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again

(I will do
that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I want a
motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with some
older stuff).

I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and
checked out some admin stuff.
A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in
some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that
stuff.
The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric
organization ;-)
A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything,
but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista
experience.

1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files are
being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is nothing
saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY opinion.
It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-)

2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design) is
the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I have
used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with Win95)
Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to be
expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught on the
way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in NOT to be
forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP.
They threw common sense and function to the side and created some
"experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM. The
fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be) indicates that
whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience" do not have the
best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad.

More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems
others have had and have done some research to speed up my familiarization,
but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This is just for
venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned.
For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to
give me the nice to relate...
I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS
deserves ;-)
Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken.

Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and
never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user
will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers.
It shore is purty!
--
- Phil Clemence

10-20-2007

"-Phil Clemence" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23uBtJitEIHA.5648@xxxxxx

Quote:

>I just noticed how pretty Vista is.
> I just noticed that Vista sucks ass.
> I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone
> knows where I stand.
> I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn
> idiocy.
> MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs.
> All that matters is honesty and fairness.
> A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good
> along with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of
> common sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the
> indefensible as well as what should be defended.
>
> I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled.
> Vista looks nice...
> Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster
> browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool ,
> with the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice
> doo-dads (Sidebar goodies), etc ...
> A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP ,
> my Vista and co-workers laptop Vista)
> Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many
> duplicate and crossed settings, etc.
> Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ...
> heheheh.
> Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again

(I will
> do that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I
> want a motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with
> some older stuff).
>
> I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and
> checked out some admin stuff.
> A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in
> some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that
> stuff.
> The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric
> organization ;-)
> A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything,
> but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista
> experience.
>
> 1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files
> are being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is
> nothing saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY
> opinion. It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-)
>
> 2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design)
> is the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I
> have used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with
> Win95) Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to
> be expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught
> on the way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in
> NOT to be forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP.
> They threw common sense and function to the side and created some
> "experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM.
> The fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be)
> indicates that whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience"
> do not have the best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad.
>
> More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems
> others have had and have done some research to speed up my
> familiarization, but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This
> is just for venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned.
> For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to
> give me the nice to relate...
> I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS
> deserves ;-)
> Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken.
>
> Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and
> never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user
> will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers.
> It shore is purty!
> --
> - Phil Clemence

I forgot to mention something about setting up networking and file sharing
that is a bit different than in the past.
It is a bit more multi-layered and absurd.
Now I have to balance that with something nice ...
Well ... now Network Administrators will be as frustrated as everyone else!
--
- Phil Clemence

10-20-2007

Well, look at it this way, no one's stopping you from using what you want.

--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"-Phil Clemence" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23uBtJitEIHA.5648@xxxxxx

Quote:

>I just noticed how pretty Vista is.
> I just noticed that Vista sucks ass.
> I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone
> knows where I stand.
> I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn
> idiocy.
> MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs.
> All that matters is honesty and fairness.
> A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good
> along with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of
> common sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the
> indefensible as well as what should be defended.
>
> I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled.
> Vista looks nice...
> Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster
> browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool ,
> with the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice
> doo-dads (Sidebar goodies), etc ...
> A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP ,
> my Vista and co-workers laptop Vista)
> Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many
> duplicate and crossed settings, etc.
> Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ...
> heheheh.
> Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again

(I will
> do that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I
> want a motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with
> some older stuff).
>
> I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and
> checked out some admin stuff.
> A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in
> some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that
> stuff.
> The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric
> organization ;-)
> A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything,
> but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista
> experience.
>
> 1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files
> are being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is
> nothing saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY
> opinion. It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-)
>
> 2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design)
> is the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I
> have used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with
> Win95) Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to
> be expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught
> on the way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in
> NOT to be forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP.
> They threw common sense and function to the side and created some
> "experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM.
> The fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be)
> indicates that whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience"
> do not have the best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad.
>
> More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems
> others have had and have done some research to speed up my
> familiarization, but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This
> is just for venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned.
> For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to
> give me the nice to relate...
> I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS
> deserves ;-)
> Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken.
>
> Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and
> never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user
> will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers.
> It shore is purty!
> --
> - Phil Clemence

10-20-2007

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:17:30 -0400, -Phil Clemence wrote:

Quote:

> Annoyances are NOT bugs,

Of course they are!

--
Chris Game

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

10-20-2007

"Chris Game" <chrisgame@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1njjd40al9qi8$.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:17:30 -0400, -Phil Clemence wrote:
>

Quote:

>> Annoyances are NOT bugs,

>
> Of course they are!
>

Of course they ... oh, nevermind.
Believe what you will.

Quote:

> --
> Chris Game
>
> Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

--
- Phil Clemence

10-26-2007

<snip>

Quote:

> So, I am not so bothered by the setup itself (no problem , I will be doing
> it again anyway) but the fact that the setup could have been designed that
> way. Why would they do that?
>

No clue. That's kinda like asking why is the sky blue. Someone can answer
you, but will the answer make any sense?

Lang

10-20-2007	#1 (permalink)
-Phil Clemence n/a posts	Just something I noticed I just noticed how pretty Vista is. I just noticed that Vista sucks ass. I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone knows where I stand. I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn idiocy. MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs. All that matters is honesty and fairness. A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good along with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of common sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the indefensible as well as what should be defended. I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled. Vista looks nice... Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool , with the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice doo-dads (Sidebar goodies), etc ... A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP , my Vista and co-workers laptop Vista) Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many duplicate and crossed settings, etc. Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ... heheheh. Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again (I will do that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I want a motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with some older stuff). I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and checked out some admin stuff. A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that stuff. The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric organization ;-) A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything, but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista experience. 1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files are being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is nothing saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY opinion. It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-) 2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design) is the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I have used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with Win95) Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to be expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught on the way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in NOT to be forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP. They threw common sense and function to the side and created some "experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM. The fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be) indicates that whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience" do not have the best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad. More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems others have had and have done some research to speed up my familiarization, but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This is just for venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned. For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to give me the nice to relate... I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS deserves ;-) Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken. Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers. It shore is purty! -- - Phil Clemence
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10-20-2007	#2 (permalink)
-Phil Clemence n/a posts	Re: Just something I noticed "-Phil Clemence" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23uBtJitEIHA.5648@xxxxxx Quote: >I just noticed how pretty Vista is. > I just noticed that Vista sucks ass. > I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone > knows where I stand. > I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn > idiocy. > MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs. > All that matters is honesty and fairness. > A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good > along with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of > common sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the > indefensible as well as what should be defended. > > I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled. > Vista looks nice... > Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster > browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool , > with the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice > doo-dads (Sidebar goodies), etc ... > A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP , > my Vista and co-workers laptop Vista) > Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many > duplicate and crossed settings, etc. > Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ... > heheheh. > Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again (I will > do that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I > want a motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with > some older stuff). > > I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and > checked out some admin stuff. > A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in > some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that > stuff. > The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric > organization ;-) > A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything, > but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista > experience. > > 1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files > are being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is > nothing saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY > opinion. It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-) > > 2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design) > is the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I > have used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with > Win95) Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to > be expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught > on the way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in > NOT to be forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP. > They threw common sense and function to the side and created some > "experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM. > The fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be) > indicates that whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience" > do not have the best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad. > > More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems > others have had and have done some research to speed up my > familiarization, but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This > is just for venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned. > For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to > give me the nice to relate... > I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS > deserves ;-) > Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken. > > Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and > never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user > will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers. > It shore is purty! > -- > - Phil Clemence I forgot to mention something about setting up networking and file sharing that is a bit different than in the past. It is a bit more multi-layered and absurd. Now I have to balance that with something nice ... Well ... now Network Administrators will be as frustrated as everyone else! -- - Phil Clemence
My System Specs

10-20-2007	#3 (permalink)
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] n/a posts	Re: Just something I noticed Well, look at it this way, no one's stopping you from using what you want. -- Andre Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com My Vista Quickstart Guide: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry "-Phil Clemence" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23uBtJitEIHA.5648@xxxxxx Quote: >I just noticed how pretty Vista is. > I just noticed that Vista sucks ass. > I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone > knows where I stand. > I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn > idiocy. > MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs. > All that matters is honesty and fairness. > A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good > along with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of > common sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the > indefensible as well as what should be defended. > > I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled. > Vista looks nice... > Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster > browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool , > with the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice > doo-dads (Sidebar goodies), etc ... > A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP , > my Vista and co-workers laptop Vista) > Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many > duplicate and crossed settings, etc. > Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ... > heheheh. > Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again (I will > do that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I > want a motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with > some older stuff). > > I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and > checked out some admin stuff. > A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in > some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that > stuff. > The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric > organization ;-) > A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything, > but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista > experience. > > 1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files > are being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is > nothing saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY > opinion. It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-) > > 2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design) > is the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I > have used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with > Win95) Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to > be expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught > on the way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in > NOT to be forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP. > They threw common sense and function to the side and created some > "experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM. > The fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be) > indicates that whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience" > do not have the best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad. > > More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems > others have had and have done some research to speed up my > familiarization, but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This > is just for venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned. > For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to > give me the nice to relate... > I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS > deserves ;-) > Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken. > > Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and > never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user > will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers. > It shore is purty! > -- > - Phil Clemence
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10-20-2007	#4 (permalink)
Chris Game n/a posts	Re: Just something I noticed On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:17:30 -0400, -Phil Clemence wrote: Quote: > Annoyances are NOT bugs, Of course they are! -- Chris Game Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.
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10-20-2007	#5 (permalink)
-Phil Clemence n/a posts	Re: Just something I noticed "Chris Game" <chrisgame@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:1njjd40al9qi8$.dlg@xxxxxx Quote: > On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:17:30 -0400, -Phil Clemence wrote: > Quote: >> Annoyances are NOT bugs, > > Of course they are! > Of course they ... oh, nevermind. Believe what you will. Quote: > -- > Chris Game > > Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. -- - Phil Clemence
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10-26-2007	#6 (permalink)
Lang Murphy n/a posts	Re: Just something I noticed <snip> Quote: > So, I am not so bothered by the setup itself (no problem , I will be doing > it again anyway) but the fact that the setup could have been designed that > way. Why would they do that? > No clue. That's kinda like asking why is the sky blue. Someone can answer you, but will the answer make any sense? Lang
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