Vista - Learn From Mac

10-25-2007

Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, i think
how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this slow, ugly,
unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature product, with a lot
of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac OSX is very more friendly
than vista and more closer to Longhorn concept than vista.... if Mac OSX
could be run in a PC i don't think twice...

I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product

I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years...

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10-25-2007

Well, everyone is free to think what they want about Windows, but bashing
without thorough research and analysis is not the right approach. I think
Leopard is a solid upgrade that offers some nifty features, I personally
like Quick Preview, Time Machine and improvements to the Finder. Time
Machine is really cool because of inviting user interface and the visual
cues it gives users and the 123 approach to getting persons to backup.

Reading about it now"
http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/feat...hine/index.php
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"Mario" <Mario@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, i
> think
> how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this slow, ugly,
> unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature product, with a
> lot
> of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac OSX is very more friendly
> than vista and more closer to Longhorn concept than vista.... if Mac OSX
> could be run in a PC i don't think twice...
>
> I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product
>
> I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years...
>
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

**Dzomlija** · 10-25-2007

I can't give any comment on the Mac/Windows debate. Macs are a niche market here in South Africa, and are notoriusly expensive (Assuming we're lucky enough to even find a retailer that stocks Mac hardware). So I've never used a Mac.

As I'm always looking for something new to learn, I'd like to see a version of Mac OSX that will run on my current hardware, even if only to be able to gauge which is more suitable to a particular task.

10-25-2007

From what I heard from someone running the BETA, Leopard is not finished!
Lots of unfixed bugs. No, I hope MS learns anything from Apple. Leopard is
still OSX. They're releasing an upgrade and charge people for it. What a
scam!

"Mario" <Mario@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, i
> think
> how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this slow, ugly,
> unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature product, with a
> lot
> of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac OSX is very more friendly
> than vista and more closer to Longhorn concept than vista.... if Mac OSX
> could be run in a PC i don't think twice...
>
> I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product
>
> I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years...
>
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

10-25-2007

"I'd like to see a

Quote:

> version of Mac OSX that will run on my current hardware, even if only to
> be able to gauge which is more suitable to a particular task."

You just need to look in the right places.

--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"dzomlija" <dzomlija.2z0kp3@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
> I can't give any comment on the Mac/Windows debate. Macs are a niche
> market here in South Africa, and are notoriusly expensive (Assuming
> we're lucky enough to even find a retailer that stocks Mac hardware). So
> I've never used a Mac.
>
> As I'm always looking for something new to learn, I'd like to see a
> version of Mac OSX that will run on my current hardware, even if only to
> be able to gauge which is more suitable to a particular task.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007

10-25-2007

Leopard went GM last week and folks are already receiving their retail
copies.
http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/24/...ail-box-video/
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"John" <noneya@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> From what I heard from someone running the BETA, Leopard is not finished!
> Lots of unfixed bugs. No, I hope MS learns anything from Apple. Leopard is
> still OSX. They're releasing an upgrade and charge people for it. What a
> scam!
>
> "Mario" <Mario@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:8EBB120A-CD3E-45D7-927A-2998EF67D6D6@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, i
>> think
>> how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this slow, ugly,
>> unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature product, with a
>> lot
>> of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac OSX is very more
>> friendly
>> than vista and more closer to Longhorn concept than vista.... if Mac OSX
>> could be run in a PC i don't think twice...
>>
>> I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product
>>
>> I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years...
>>
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

>

10-25-2007

Mario wrote:

Quote:

> Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos,
> i think how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this
> slow, ugly, unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature
> product, with a lot of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac
> OSX is very more friendly than vista and more closer to Longhorn
> concept than vista.... if Mac OSX could be run in a PC i don't think
> twice...
>
> I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product
>
> I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years...

Psst: Microsoft wrote most of the code that runs on a Mac.

10-25-2007

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:udYpULxFIHA.3716@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Well, everyone is free to think what they want about Windows, but bashing
> without thorough research and analysis is not the right approach. I think
> Leopard is a solid upgrade that offers some nifty features, I personally
> like Quick Preview, Time Machine and improvements to the Finder. Time
> Machine is really cool because of inviting user interface and the visual
> cues it gives users and the 123 approach to getting persons to backup.
>
> Reading about it now"
> http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/feat...hine/index.php

If time machine works as stated in that articale then it is not a safe
backup program.
Murphy says that you will lose power or crash the machine in the middle of a
backup not execute a controlled shutdown.
What happens then.. the file systems might be corrupted to start with and
you lose your backup.
If it is going to work you need more than one external disk and you need to
keep them in step even though they must never be connected at the same time.
It doesn't look like time machine does that so it is not a primary backup.
BTW I use Memeo on my PC and it does a similar function without the graphics
and to external network locations.

10-25-2007

Mac OS X uses a Journaled file system which is designed for such scenarios
you mentioned.

--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"dennis@xxxxxx" <dennis@xxxxxx-ass.net> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:udYpULxFIHA.3716@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Well, everyone is free to think what they want about Windows, but bashing
>> without thorough research and analysis is not the right approach. I think
>> Leopard is a solid upgrade that offers some nifty features, I personally
>> like Quick Preview, Time Machine and improvements to the Finder. Time
>> Machine is really cool because of inviting user interface and the visual
>> cues it gives users and the 123 approach to getting persons to backup.
>>
>> Reading about it now"
>> http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/feat...hine/index.php

>
> If time machine works as stated in that articale then it is not a safe
> backup program.
> Murphy says that you will lose power or crash the machine in the middle of
> a backup not execute a controlled shutdown.
> What happens then.. the file systems might be corrupted to start with and
> you lose your backup.
> If it is going to work you need more than one external disk and you need
> to keep them in step even though they must never be connected at the same
> time. It doesn't look like time machine does that so it is not a primary
> backup.
> BTW I use Memeo on my PC and it does a similar function without the
> graphics and to external network locations.
>
>

10-25-2007

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ugDGDWzFIHA.280@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Mac OS X uses a Journaled file system which is designed for such scenarios
> you mentioned.

On external drives?

BTW a journaled files system may avoid the need to do a fsck but it doesn't
stop the data being inconsistent when an application come to use it.
If the system fails to write all the data the application asked to be
written then it is quite possible for that application to fail even though
the journaling prevents file system coruption (seen it happen and had to
explain it to programmers like Adam who always think they know better).

10-25-2007	#1 (permalink)
Mario n/a posts	Learn From Mac Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, i think how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this slow, ugly, unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature product, with a lot of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac OSX is very more friendly than vista and more closer to Longhorn concept than vista.... if Mac OSX could be run in a PC i don't think twice... I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years... ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
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10-25-2007	#2 (permalink)
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] n/a posts	Re: Learn From Mac Well, everyone is free to think what they want about Windows, but bashing without thorough research and analysis is not the right approach. I think Leopard is a solid upgrade that offers some nifty features, I personally like Quick Preview, Time Machine and improvements to the Finder. Time Machine is really cool because of inviting user interface and the visual cues it gives users and the 123 approach to getting persons to backup. Reading about it now" http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/feat...hine/index.php -- Andre Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com My Vista Quickstart Guide: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry "Mario" <Mario@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:8EBB120A-CD3E-45D7-927A-2998EF67D6D6@xxxxxx Quote: > Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, i > think > how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this slow, ugly, > unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature product, with a > lot > of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac OSX is very more friendly > than vista and more closer to Longhorn concept than vista.... if Mac OSX > could be run in a PC i don't think twice... > > I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product > > I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years... > > > ---------------- > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow > this > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then > click "I Agree" in the message pane. > > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
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10-25-2007	#3 (permalink)
Dzomlija Windows Vista x64 Ultimate 2,217 posts	Re: Learn From Mac I can't give any comment on the Mac/Windows debate. Macs are a niche market here in South Africa, and are notoriusly expensive (Assuming we're lucky enough to even find a retailer that stocks Mac hardware). So I've never used a Mac. As I'm always looking for something new to learn, I'd like to see a version of Mac OSX that will run on my current hardware, even if only to be able to gauge which is more suitable to a particular task.
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10-25-2007	#4 (permalink)
John n/a posts	Re: Learn From Mac From what I heard from someone running the BETA, Leopard is not finished! Lots of unfixed bugs. No, I hope MS learns anything from Apple. Leopard is still OSX. They're releasing an upgrade and charge people for it. What a scam! "Mario" <Mario@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:8EBB120A-CD3E-45D7-927A-2998EF67D6D6@xxxxxx Quote: > Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, i > think > how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this slow, ugly, > unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature product, with a > lot > of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac OSX is very more friendly > than vista and more closer to Longhorn concept than vista.... if Mac OSX > could be run in a PC i don't think twice... > > I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product > > I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years... > > > ---------------- > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow > this > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then > click "I Agree" in the message pane. > > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
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10-25-2007	#5 (permalink)
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] n/a posts	Re: Learn From Mac "I'd like to see a Quote: > version of Mac OSX that will run on my current hardware, even if only to > be able to gauge which is more suitable to a particular task." You just need to look in the right places. -- Andre Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com My Vista Quickstart Guide: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry "dzomlija" <dzomlija.2z0kp3@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message news:dzomlija.2z0kp3@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net... Quote: > > I can't give any comment on the Mac/Windows debate. Macs are a niche > market here in South Africa, and are notoriusly expensive (Assuming > we're lucky enough to even find a retailer that stocks Mac hardware). So > I've never used a Mac. > > As I'm always looking for something new to learn, I'd like to see a > version of Mac OSX that will run on my current hardware, even if only to > be able to gauge which is more suitable to a particular task. > > > -- > dzomlija > > ____________________________________ > Peter Alexander Dzomlija > Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as > you die, so shall I be Reborn... > > - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe > - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+ > - 4GB DDR400 > - ASUS nVidia 6600 > - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis > - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage > - Vista Ultimate x64 > - CodeGear Delphi 2007
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10-25-2007	#6 (permalink)
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] n/a posts	Re: Learn From Mac Leopard went GM last week and folks are already receiving their retail copies. http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/24/...ail-box-video/ -- Andre Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com My Vista Quickstart Guide: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry "John" <noneya@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:E7017719-DCB2-4388-AE6E-0A2F68BA4658@xxxxxx Quote: > From what I heard from someone running the BETA, Leopard is not finished! > Lots of unfixed bugs. No, I hope MS learns anything from Apple. Leopard is > still OSX. They're releasing an upgrade and charge people for it. What a > scam! > > "Mario" <Mario@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:8EBB120A-CD3E-45D7-927A-2998EF67D6D6@xxxxxx Quote: >> Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, i >> think >> how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this slow, ugly, >> unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature product, with a >> lot >> of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac OSX is very more >> friendly >> than vista and more closer to Longhorn concept than vista.... if Mac OSX >> could be run in a PC i don't think twice... >> >> I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product >> >> I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years... >> >> >> ---------------- >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the >> "I >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow >> this >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and >> then >> click "I Agree" in the message pane. >> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general >
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10-25-2007	#7 (permalink)
HeyBub n/a posts	Re: Learn From Mac Mario wrote: Quote: > Tomorrow Mac OSX Leopard will be released and when i see the videos, > i think how microsoft, the biggest software company can release this > slow, ugly, unfinished operating system, Mac OSX look like a mature > product, with a lot of featured than should be in windows vista, Mac > OSX is very more friendly than vista and more closer to Longhorn > concept than vista.... if Mac OSX could be run in a PC i don't think > twice... > > I feel dissapointed again... Learn from Mac and give us a good product > > I'm a .NET Programmer, Windows User about ten years... Psst: Microsoft wrote most of the code that runs on a Mac.
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10-25-2007	#8 (permalink)
dennis n/a posts	Re: Learn From Mac "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:udYpULxFIHA.3716@xxxxxx Quote: > Well, everyone is free to think what they want about Windows, but bashing > without thorough research and analysis is not the right approach. I think > Leopard is a solid upgrade that offers some nifty features, I personally > like Quick Preview, Time Machine and improvements to the Finder. Time > Machine is really cool because of inviting user interface and the visual > cues it gives users and the 123 approach to getting persons to backup. > > Reading about it now" > http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/feat...hine/index.php If time machine works as stated in that articale then it is not a safe backup program. Murphy says that you will lose power or crash the machine in the middle of a backup not execute a controlled shutdown. What happens then.. the file systems might be corrupted to start with and you lose your backup. If it is going to work you need more than one external disk and you need to keep them in step even though they must never be connected at the same time. It doesn't look like time machine does that so it is not a primary backup. BTW I use Memeo on my PC and it does a similar function without the graphics and to external network locations.
My System Specs

10-25-2007	#9 (permalink)
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] n/a posts	Re: Learn From Mac Mac OS X uses a Journaled file system which is designed for such scenarios you mentioned. -- Andre Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com My Vista Quickstart Guide: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry "dennis@xxxxxx" <dennis@xxxxxx-ass.net> wrote in message news:F7BA5FDD-9F4E-4A4C-8BEE-8CAB83205964@xxxxxx Quote: > > "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:udYpULxFIHA.3716@xxxxxx Quote: >> Well, everyone is free to think what they want about Windows, but bashing >> without thorough research and analysis is not the right approach. I think >> Leopard is a solid upgrade that offers some nifty features, I personally >> like Quick Preview, Time Machine and improvements to the Finder. Time >> Machine is really cool because of inviting user interface and the visual >> cues it gives users and the 123 approach to getting persons to backup. >> >> Reading about it now" >> http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/feat...hine/index.php > > If time machine works as stated in that articale then it is not a safe > backup program. > Murphy says that you will lose power or crash the machine in the middle of > a backup not execute a controlled shutdown. > What happens then.. the file systems might be corrupted to start with and > you lose your backup. > If it is going to work you need more than one external disk and you need > to keep them in step even though they must never be connected at the same > time. It doesn't look like time machine does that so it is not a primary > backup. > BTW I use Memeo on my PC and it does a similar function without the > graphics and to external network locations. > >
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10-25-2007	#10 (permalink)
dennis n/a posts	Re: Learn From Mac "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ugDGDWzFIHA.280@xxxxxx Quote: > Mac OS X uses a Journaled file system which is designed for such scenarios > you mentioned. On external drives? BTW a journaled files system may avoid the need to do a fsck but it doesn't stop the data being inconsistent when an application come to use it. If the system fails to write all the data the application asked to be written then it is quite possible for that application to fail even though the journaling prevents file system coruption (seen it happen and had to explain it to programmers like Adam who always think they know better).
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