Vista - Windows Mail ot Mozilla Thunderbird?

Which is the better email client, Windows Mail or Mozilla Thunderbird? I know Windows Mail is still beta, but I find that they are so close that I switch between the two and it does not seem very different.

William

William R. Mosher wrote:
> Which is the better email client, Windows Mail or Mozilla
> Thunderbird? I know Windows Mail is still beta, but I find that they
> are so close that I switch between the two and it does not seem very
> different.
>
> William

Windows Mail is better, much better. I don't let Firefox/Thunderbird on my
system and strongly recommend against them. Firefox is a steamy pile of
holes and vulnerabilites - a "fool's gold" of security. My brother wanted to
try it once - no sooner had we put it on his system the Java VM that came
with it got compromised - junk. The only reason it is popular is because
people mindlessly knee-jerk enjoy bashing things Microsoft, not because of
its technical merit (of which it has little).

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:38:39 -0400, "Ground Cover"
<ground@cover.internet> wrote:

>William R. Mosher wrote:
>> Which is the better email client, Windows Mail or Mozilla
>> Thunderbird? I know Windows Mail is still beta, but I find that they
>> are so close that I switch between the two and it does not seem very
>> different.

Thats cos its not very different, just prettier.
>>
>> William
>
>Windows Mail is better, much better. I don't let Firefox/Thunderbird on my
>system and strongly recommend against them. Firefox is a steamy pile of
>holes and vulnerabilites - a "fool's gold" of security. My brother wanted to
>try it once - no sooner had we put it on his system the Java VM that came
>with it got compromised - junk. The only reason it is popular is because
>people mindlessly knee-jerk enjoy bashing things Microsoft, not because of
>its technical merit (of which it has little).
>
You are taking the piss man, Lookout Express has been a security
nigtmare for years and still is. OE & Winmail still has HTML mail set
as default - which is completely ludicrous. The "address book" has
been the biggest spreader of viruses around the world from the word go
because it is hopelessly insecure and set to add new contacts by
default. IE & Lookout Express get security update once a month,
Firefox and Thunderbird evet few days if necessary. Hacking an OE or
Hotmail account is pretty straightforward, my granny could do it with
a list of instructions.

Firefox with Noscript & Ad block installed is so much better than
IE6/7 / its in a different league.

Set it up right, with the correct extensions and it will be fine.

Jonah

I'll stay with Opera, thank-you very much.

--
Mark

Keeping the fun in dysfunctional!

"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:71g0b2dlbbasq18tkpu90qv1cbs72t5elj@4ax.com...
>
> You are taking the piss man, Lookout Express has been a security
> nigtmare for years and still is. OE & Winmail still has HTML mail set
> as default - which is completely ludicrous. The "address book" has
> been the biggest spreader of viruses around the world from the word go
> because it is hopelessly insecure and set to add new contacts by
> default. IE & Lookout Express get security update once a month,
> Firefox and Thunderbird evet few days if necessary. Hacking an OE or
> Hotmail account is pretty straightforward, my granny could do it with
> a list of instructions.
>
> Firefox with Noscript & Ad block installed is so much better than
> IE6/7 / its in a different league.
>
> Set it up right, with the correct extensions and it will be fine.
>
> Jonah

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:51:40 -0400, "Mark D. VandenBerg"
<mvan103@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'll stay with Opera, thank-you very much.

Well yeah that too, I like Opera.

Jonah

"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:71g0b2dlbbasq18tkpu90qv1cbs72t5elj@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:38:39 -0400, "Ground Cover"
> <ground@cover.internet> wrote:
>
>>William R. Mosher wrote:
>>> Which is the better email client, Windows Mail or Mozilla
>>> Thunderbird? I know Windows Mail is still beta, but I find that they
>>> are so close that I switch between the two and it does not seem very
>>> different.
>
> Thats cos its not very different, just prettier.
>>>
>>> William
>>
>>Windows Mail is better, much better. I don't let Firefox/Thunderbird on my
>>system and strongly recommend against them. Firefox is a steamy pile of
>>holes and vulnerabilites - a "fool's gold" of security. My brother wanted
>>to
>>try it once - no sooner had we put it on his system the Java VM that came
>>with it got compromised - junk. The only reason it is popular is because
>>people mindlessly knee-jerk enjoy bashing things Microsoft, not because of
>>its technical merit (of which it has little).
>>
> You are taking the piss man, Lookout Express has been a security
> nigtmare for years and still is. OE & Winmail still has HTML mail set
> as default - which is completely ludicrous. The "address book" has
> been the biggest spreader of viruses around the world from the word go
> because it is hopelessly insecure and set to add new contacts by
> default. IE & Lookout Express get security update once a month,
> Firefox and Thunderbird evet few days if necessary. Hacking an OE or
> Hotmail account is pretty straightforward, my granny could do it with
> a list of instructions.
>
> Firefox with Noscript & Ad block installed is so much better than
> IE6/7 / its in a different league.
>
> Set it up right, with the correct extensions and it will be fine.
>
> Jonah

I have been using OE for years. Set to display HTML and set for the
Internet Zone. Never got infected. Of course, I know I didn't win a
million dollars and that Microsoft didn't send me a patch. No one in a
foreign country needs my help to transfer money, either.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Please reply in newsgroup. Do NOT send email.

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:19:31 -0500, "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM"
<franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:

snip
>
>I have been using OE for years. Set to display HTML and set for the
>Internet Zone. Never got infected. Of course, I know I didn't win a
>million dollars and that Microsoft didn't send me a patch. No one in a
>foreign country needs my help to transfer money, either.

LOL

I never got infected via OE either cos I never used it, fixed plenty
of peoples machines that do use OE. You are either dead lucky, got a
good spam filter, Johnny no mates, or very knowlegable, I suspect the
latter.

The "Lookout Express" tag was not earned for nothing was it?

8-)

Jonah

jonah wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:19:31 -0500, "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM"
>> <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> I have been using OE for years. Set to display HTML and set for the
>>> Internet Zone. Never got infected. Of course, I know I didn't win
>>> a million dollars and that Microsoft didn't send me a patch. No
>>> one in a foreign country needs my help to transfer money, either.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> I never got infected via OE either cos I never used it, fixed plenty
>> of peoples machines that do use OE. You are either dead lucky, got a
>> good spam filter, Johnny no mates, or very knowlegable, I suspect the
>> latter.
>>
>> The "Lookout Express" tag was not earned for nothing was it?
>>
>> 8-)
>>
>> Jonah

If one regularly opens attachments using a non-OE email client instead of
OE, will somehow lower the risk of a malware attack? No.

Do you think that Thunderbird will somehow magically protect someone who
will open every attachment sent to him or her?

I just don't get the point you are trying to make. I've never succumbed to a
malware attack through Outlook nor through Outlook Express. But them I don't
open those screensavers. I don't think it takes *that* much computer savy
here. And if a person is so clueless as to open those .scr and .exe and .com
files attached to SPAM, well, how is Thunderbird (or whatever) supposed to
protect them?

Currently, OE installs set to the Restricted Zone. You can set it to read
everything in plain text. Free software like AVG can screen everything
coming in.

Your mention of AVG Antivirus software interests me. I did not know that
this software was compatible with Windows Vista. A check of their website
does not make mention of any compatibility with Vista, as far as, I can see.
If I am wrong - I stand corrected !!
JRH ......................


"Ground Cover" <ground@cover.internet> wrote in message
news:%23gAP2w2oGHA.4116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> jonah wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:19:31 -0500, "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM"
>>> <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> I have been using OE for years. Set to display HTML and set for the
>>>> Internet Zone. Never got infected. Of course, I know I didn't win
>>>> a million dollars and that Microsoft didn't send me a patch. No
>>>> one in a foreign country needs my help to transfer money, either.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> I never got infected via OE either cos I never used it, fixed plenty
>>> of peoples machines that do use OE. You are either dead lucky, got a
>>> good spam filter, Johnny no mates, or very knowlegable, I suspect the
>>> latter.
>>>
>>> The "Lookout Express" tag was not earned for nothing was it?
>>>
>>> 8-)
>>>
>>> Jonah
>
> If one regularly opens attachments using a non-OE email client instead of
> OE, will somehow lower the risk of a malware attack? No.
>
> Do you think that Thunderbird will somehow magically protect someone who
> will open every attachment sent to him or her?
>
> I just don't get the point you are trying to make. I've never succumbed to
> a
> malware attack through Outlook nor through Outlook Express. But them I
> don't
> open those screensavers. I don't think it takes *that* much computer savy
> here. And if a person is so clueless as to open those .scr and .exe and
> .com
> files attached to SPAM, well, how is Thunderbird (or whatever) supposed to
> protect them?
>
> Currently, OE installs set to the Restricted Zone. You can set it to read
> everything in plain text. Free software like AVG can screen everything
> coming in.
>
>

Administrator\jhafele wrote:

The thread turned into a discussion OE.