Vista - NDA clarifications?

Seeing as Kevin seems to think there is an NDA for Windows Vista, could
anyone point it out to me? As far as I know (including Andre I believe on
this matter), we don't seem to think there is one.

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As I previously said, There is one for the TAP Beta Tester's, which includes
anyone who has access to an Interim Build that is not labeled as a CTP
Build! This includes Build 5342 and the Technical Tester's!

"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:exzeICaYGHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Seeing as Kevin seems to think there is an NDA for Windows Vista, could
> anyone point it out to me? As far as I know (including Andre I believe on
> this matter), we don't seem to think there is one.
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
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> not
> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
> that up!
>

Feel free to point out where this NDA is then - links, screenshots,
something which we can visit and look for ourselves?
I don't think any of us would want to break NDA, so feel free to help us
with this one Kevin.

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"Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23IdtvHaYGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> As I previously said, There is one for the TAP Beta Tester's, which
> includes anyone who has access to an Interim Build that is not labeled as
> a CTP Build! This includes Build 5342 and the Technical Tester's!
>
> "Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:exzeICaYGHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Seeing as Kevin seems to think there is an NDA for Windows Vista, could
>> anyone point it out to me? As far as I know (including Andre I believe on
>> this matter), we don't seem to think there is one.
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
>> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
>> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
>> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
>> that up!
>>
>

Microsoft sends it to you, you sign it and either post or fax it back.

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"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message news:uhsg6KaYGHA.1348@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Feel free to point out where this NDA is then - links, screenshots,
> something which we can visit and look for ourselves?
> I don't think any of us would want to break NDA, so feel free to help us
> with this one Kevin.
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
> that up!
>
> --: Original message follows :--
> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23IdtvHaYGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> As I previously said, There is one for the TAP Beta Tester's, which
>> includes anyone who has access to an Interim Build that is not labeled as
>> a CTP Build! This includes Build 5342 and the Technical Tester's!
>>
>> "Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:exzeICaYGHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Seeing as Kevin seems to think there is an NDA for Windows Vista, could
>>> anyone point it out to me? As far as I know (including Andre I believe on
>>> this matter), we don't seem to think there is one.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zack Whittaker
>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
>>> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>>> not
>>> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
>>> that up!
>>>
>>
>
>

There is no information in the End User License Agreement notifying us that
build 5342 is covered under NDA. (I just checked - Win Key + R > type in
WinVer > click the EULA link) The NDA you are referring to covers dicussions
made in the Technical Private Newsgroups and certain parts of Microsoft
Connect. Internal Builds and certain builds distributed to some Microsoft
TAP Customers are also covered under NDA.

What is confusing you is the fact that you did not receive 5342 from MSDN,
so you are assuming its under NDA. Its not, Microsoft distributed this build
only to Tech Testers and TAP Customers because its not a build of quality
similar to a Customer Technology Preview. Its just a snap shot preview
showing a glimpse of whats taking place in the development towards BETA 2.
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"Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23IdtvHaYGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> As I previously said, There is one for the TAP Beta Tester's, which
> includes anyone who has access to an Interim Build that is not labeled as
> a CTP Build! This includes Build 5342 and the Technical Tester's!
>
> "Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:exzeICaYGHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Seeing as Kevin seems to think there is an NDA for Windows Vista, could
>> anyone point it out to me? As far as I know (including Andre I believe on
>> this matter), we don't seem to think there is one.
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
>> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
>> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
>> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
>> that up!
>>
>

"Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23IdtvHaYGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> As I previously said, There is one for the TAP Beta Tester's, which
> includes anyone who has access to an Interim Build that is not labeled as
> a CTP Build! This includes Build 5342 and the Technical Tester's!

I didn't sign or see any NDA for the beta program I'm in and we have access
to 5342.

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Exactly, there isn't one for Vista )

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"Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
news:unHZfbaYGHA.3740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23IdtvHaYGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> As I previously said, There is one for the TAP Beta Tester's, which
>> includes anyone who has access to an Interim Build that is not labeled as
>> a CTP Build! This includes Build 5342 and the Technical Tester's!
>
> I didn't sign or see any NDA for the beta program I'm in and we have
> access to 5342.
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>
> *Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
>
>

A Couple of Years Ago, when both Windows XP Service Pack 2 and Windows
Server 2003 Service Pack 1 were getting Beta Tested, We used to have a Rule
that said the following: "Any Build that is not getting Released to the
General Public via Public Download is Under an NDA!"

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%2385p3ZaYGHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> There is no information in the End User License Agreement notifying us
> that build 5342 is covered under NDA. (I just checked - Win Key + R > type
> in WinVer > click the EULA link) The NDA you are referring to covers
> dicussions made in the Technical Private Newsgroups and certain parts of
> Microsoft Connect. Internal Builds and certain builds distributed to some
> Microsoft TAP Customers are also covered under NDA.
>
> What is confusing you is the fact that you did not receive 5342 from MSDN,
> so you are assuming its under NDA. Its not, Microsoft distributed this
> build only to Tech Testers and TAP Customers because its not a build of
> quality similar to a Customer Technology Preview. Its just a snap shot
> preview showing a glimpse of whats taking place in the development towards
> BETA 2.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>
> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23IdtvHaYGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> As I previously said, There is one for the TAP Beta Tester's, which
>> includes anyone who has access to an Interim Build that is not labeled as
>> a CTP Build! This includes Build 5342 and the Technical Tester's!
>>
>> "Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:exzeICaYGHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Seeing as Kevin seems to think there is an NDA for Windows Vista, could
>>> anyone point it out to me? As far as I know (including Andre I believe
>>> on this matter), we don't seem to think there is one.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zack Whittaker
>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
>>> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>>> not
>>> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we
>>> cleared
>>> that up!
>>>
>>
>
>

But this is now... not then. So feel free to throw us a link which has the
NDA on please Kevin.

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Zack Whittaker
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» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
"Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ujeXPVbYGHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>A Couple of Years Ago, when both Windows XP Service Pack 2 and Windows
>Server 2003 Service Pack 1 were getting Beta Tested, We used to have a Rule
>that said the following: "Any Build that is not getting Released to the
>General Public via Public Download is Under an NDA!"
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%2385p3ZaYGHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> There is no information in the End User License Agreement notifying us
>> that build 5342 is covered under NDA. (I just checked - Win Key + R >
>> type in WinVer > click the EULA link) The NDA you are referring to covers
>> dicussions made in the Technical Private Newsgroups and certain parts of
>> Microsoft Connect. Internal Builds and certain builds distributed to some
>> Microsoft TAP Customers are also covered under NDA.
>>
>> What is confusing you is the fact that you did not receive 5342 from
>> MSDN, so you are assuming its under NDA. Its not, Microsoft distributed
>> this build only to Tech Testers and TAP Customers because its not a build
>> of quality similar to a Customer Technology Preview. Its just a snap shot
>> preview showing a glimpse of whats taking place in the development
>> towards BETA 2.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>
>> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23IdtvHaYGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> As I previously said, There is one for the TAP Beta Tester's, which
>>> includes anyone who has access to an Interim Build that is not labeled
>>> as a CTP Build! This includes Build 5342 and the Technical Tester's!
>>>
>>> "Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:exzeICaYGHA.4920@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Seeing as Kevin seems to think there is an NDA for Windows Vista, could
>>>> anyone point it out to me? As far as I know (including Andre I believe
>>>> on this matter), we don't seem to think there is one.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
>>>> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>> and not
>>>> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we
>>>> cleared
>>>> that up!
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Zack Whittaker wrote:
> But this is now... not then. So feel free to throw us a link which has the
> NDA on please Kevin.
>

Stop feeding him. He's been told this many times already.