Vista - Re: dear microsoft

11-30-2007

dzomlija wrote:

Quote:

> Roger Van Loon;530372 Wrote:

Quote:

>> Jupiter, that message (to which I agree with my whole heart, being a
>> veteran of Win 32 - ME - and XP which was by far the best) mainly deals
>> with the unfortunate people (like me) who have bought Win Vista and are
>> stuck with it.
>> It says:
>> """"Please, why will you not allow PCers who happend to get stuck with
>> VISTA home
>> editions to "downgrade" to XP ?????????????
>> """"
>> Any reply to that?
>> Had to buy a new PC due to a crash, and contrary to what you say, all
>> new PC's here seem to come with Vista.
>> After 4 months of trying, I am getting desperate.
>> Roger.
>> PS. I would gladly pay for the downgrade
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>
> It does raise an interesting scenario. If someone isn't technically
> savvy enough to realise that Vista is better than XP in many ways, then
> they are not technically savvy enough to be able to install another OS
> correctly.
>
> And the irony is that there are those who claim they are savvy, but
> then proceed to ask how to downgrade to XP and thus disprove their very
> claim of being savvy.
>
> But for those of you who do want to remove Vista and load XP, the
> solution is simple:
>
> - Purchase a legit XP Home/XP Pro disk
> - Boot from said disk and follow the usual install prompts.
> - When you get to the screen asking which drive you want to install
> to, simply delete the Vista partition, create a new one, and install
> XPWasn't that easy. Although I still fail to understand why anyone would
> want to downgrade to XP from Vista. Thats like deciding you're not happy
> with your Ferrari and opting for a 1960's VW beetle!

Actually many people purchase and value vintage cars, if for no other
reason than the superior craftsmanship Vs the modern production line.

Your reply to the OP only serves to denote your absurd self opinion, you
are in fact little more than a know nothing obnoxious tick.

**Dzomlija** · 11-30-2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame

Actually many people purchase and value vintage cars, if for no other reason than the superior craftsmanship Vs the modern production line.

You have just denounced your very argument by saying that some people prefer vintage to high-tech. Only a collector or fan will keep a vintage car around, but in order to keep it's value, will likely not use it lest they destroy its historical value.

XP is just that. It's a vintage OS that should be remembered for the impact it had on the computing market. And just like any vintage car, XP will very soon be relegated to being just that. A footnote in the history books.

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame

Your reply to the OP only serves to denote your absurd self opinion, you are in fact little more than a know nothing obnoxious tick.

I seriously would like some more details on how you came to the conclusion that I know nothing and that I'm a tick. Do you know me personally, and long enough, to be able to make such a judement?

Personally, I believe you are the rookie here, hoping to fluster me by resorting to kindergarten insults and name-calling.

11-30-2007

dzomlija wrote:

Quote:

> Charlie Tame;530445 Wrote:

Quote:

>> Actually many people purchase and value vintage cars, if for no other
>> reason than the superior craftsmanship Vs the modern production line.

>
> You have just denounced your very argument by saying that some people
> prefer vintage to high-tech. Only a collector or fan will keep a vintage
> car around, but in order to keep it's value, will likely not use it lest
> they destroy its historical value.
>
> XP is just that. It's a vintage OS that should be remembered for the
> impact it had on the computing market. And just like any vintage car, XP
> will very soon be relegated to being just that. A footnote in the
> history books.
>
> Charlie Tame;530445 Wrote:

Quote:

>> Your reply to the OP only serves to denote your absurd self opinion, you
>> are in fact little more than a know nothing obnoxious tick.

>
> I seriously would like some more details on how you came to the
> conclusion that I know nothing and that I'm a tick. Do you know me
> personally, and long enough, to be able to make such a judement?
>
> Personally, I believe you are the rookie here, hoping to fluster me by
> resorting to kindergarten insults and name-calling.
>
>

Actually think about it this way...

You began by denigrating the original poster who is a Microsoft
customer, that would be the same Microsoft to whom you claim great
loyalty, would it not?

It is my understanding from reading some of your own posts here that you
claim to be some kind if "Developer", which I presume to include the
development of computer software as well as a huge ego. I believe I have
also seen you refer to Visual Studio which kind of implies that you
develop for the Windows platform. That being said, it is quite possible
that the OP whom you so readily insulted is indeed one of you OWN
customers, or perhaps a future customer.

So in reality you not only took a sideways shot at Microsoft, you took a
far more direct shot at your own foot.

Now, if you wish to treat Windows XP with contempt that's fine, and
Microsoft are probably big enough to look after themselves too, but a
polite factual response such as JJ just gave would have done no harm.

I have no dispute with the fact that you could run rings around me
programming, but I sure as hell am standing nowhere near when you are
shooting.

11-30-2007

In article <dzomlija.30vnz6@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net>,
dzomlija <dzomlija.30vnz6@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote:

Quote:

>
>XP is just that. It's a vintage OS that should be remembered for the
>impact it had on the computing market. And just like any vintage car, XP
>will very soon be relegated to being just that. A footnote in the
>history books.
>

I just bought 3 copies of XP to make sure I can build a few last
Windows systems without dealing with Vista.

I also still run 2000 on a lot of boxes (some because MS licensing
makes upgrades too costly and others because they're in sensitive positions
where an upgrade is too risky or the recertification to hard to do without
a good reason).

And I have a 98 box to make DOS disks on, a couple of laptops running
95 because 98 won't install, and a 3.1 disk I boot once in a while to grab
a PC-DOS off of.

Old operating systems never die. They just get swapped out to disc.

**Dzomlija** · 12-01-2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame

Actually think about it this way...

You began by denigrating the original poster who is a Microsoft customer, that would be the same Microsoft to whom you claim great
loyalty, would it not?

I never attacked the original OP. I stated that I find it hard to believe why anbody would willfully want to stop using Vista and continue to use XP. I then proceeded to tell them how to do just that.

How is that denigrating?

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame

It is my understanding from reading some of your own posts here that you claim to be some kind if "Developer", which I presume to include the development of computer software as well as a huge ego. I believe I have also seen you refer to Visual Studio which kind of implies that you develop for the Windows platform. That being said, it is quite possible that the OP whom you so readily insulted is indeed one of you OWN customers, or perhaps a future customer.

Yes I am a developer, but not in a professional capacity. And in case you misunderstand that, my work does not include getting paid for developing software.

And it also just goes to show that you are picky as to what details in a post you choose to read and which you choose to ignore. Do a search for my posts. Never once have I said that I use Visual Studio. My language of choice is Delphi, in the form of Codegear Delphi 2007, or Visual Basic for Applications for automating routine tasks in Excel, Word or CorelDRAW x3.

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame

So in reality you not only took a sideways shot at Microsoft, you took a far more direct shot at your own foot.

How is supporting Vista taking a sideways shot at Microsoft? Did I not originally question the desire of many to want to stick with XP and abandon Vista?

But as I said earlier, I also did tell the original OP how to go back to XP if he/she wanted to. I never said that they MUST stick with Vista. Ultimately, the choice remains with each individual, but I have never once told anyone that thy absolutely MUST abandon XP for Vista. I state my case as eloquently as possible, and should they choose to remain with XP for while, that is their choice.

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame

Now, if you wish to treat Windows XP with contempt that's fine, and Microsoft are probably big enough to look after themselves too, but a polite factual response such as JJ just gave would have done no harm.

You are perhaps correct about the polite response thing, which is what I thought I had done. But considering that there are many members who read this NG, I'm not surprised that some may take offense to what I said, and how I said it. It's not possible to keep everyone happy.

When last have you read a post from perhaps Tiberious or Alias? If you think my posts are impolite, then you'd be positively shocked beyond belief when you read theirs. I at least make an attempt to be helpful in some way, while those two seem to think that this NG is their own personal playgound where thy can throw insults at one another (and anyone caught in the middle) without anyone noticing.

And I don't necessarily regard XP with contempt. The gist of my post was that I consdider XP to be old and no longer suited to my needs. But in order to remain realistic, I need to give Vista the priority, because more and more of my customer, and those of others, are beginning to use it. How do you expect me to help them when they need it if I do not know the OS?

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame

I have no dispute with the fact that you could run rings around me programming, but I sure as hell am standing nowhere near when you are shooting.

I never said that I was better than you, or anyone else. As I've stated in other posts before, I joined this newsgroup because I needed someones help in resolving a problem.

Just as there may be things that I know about computers that you don't, there are things that you would know that I don't. Isn't that the whole point of a NG such as this one? Where people can get together to pool their knowledge in order to help other learn?

I live by this basic rule:

"There is no such thing as a genius. There are only people who have learned a little more than others" - Unknown Speaker

12-01-2007

First of all, apologize for not being able to resist:

As for your question,

Quote:

> How is that denigrating?

To me, the following quotes from your earlier post is what it seems to be:

Quote:

>It does raise an interesting scenario. If someone isn't technically
>savvy enough to realise that Vista is better than XP in many ways, then
>they are not technically savvy enough to be able to install another OS
>correctly.

Quote:

>And the irony is that there are those who claim they are savvy, but
>then proceed to ask how to downgrade to XP and thus disprove their very
>claim of being savvy.

Technically savvy doesn't mean one has to know how to install or play with
PC OS. I know too many technically savvy engineers and consultants who
don't do OS level things but they know how to use Enterprise Applications
such as SAP ERP for reengineering and BI (business intelligence) for
strategy planning.

And when I was in consulting and IT industry, I didn't deal with PC OS or
systems. We dealt with multimillion US dollar projects using SCM (supply
chain management) and ERP (enterprise resources planning).

So who says technically savvy has to be on low-level PC technologies?
People say that because they have never been exposed to other areas.
Speaking of changes, that's a change many are over due.

Quote:

> When last have you read a post from perhaps Tiberious or Alias? If you
> think my posts are impolite, then you'd be positively shocked beyond
> belief when you read theirs. I at least make an attempt to be helpful in
> some way, while those two seem to think that this NG is their own
> personal playgound where thy can throw insults at one another (and
> anyone caught in the middle) without anyone noticing.

That is exactly the problem that I am having with you and a few other MVPs.
You set the WRONG benchmark - My God.

If you are using them for your benchmark, you are downgrading yourself
(nothing personal, really). I and lots of others have much higher
expectations to you guys as a professional. How can you not expect yourself
to behave like one?

Charlie Tame is one of the very few who can see the big picture AND has the
courage to speak out for the best interests of all stakeholders - Microsoft,
customers, and its partners - system builders in this case.

The way that some of you are using for treating users and customers will
accomplish nothing but creating even more frustrated users and even enemies.

In fact, Alias and Linux advocates are not your BIGGEST enemy. People like
Frank consistently insulting frustrated and dissatisfied customers and users
ARE your biggest enemy.

The put salt on the wound, don't you realize that?

Those people who really care about you may say things that you don't want to
hear. And people say things that you want to hear may very well be your
biggest enemy!

"dzomlija" <dzomlija.30wggb@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:dzomlija.30wggb@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net...

Quote:

>
> Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote:

Quote:

>> Actually think about it this way...
>>
>> You began by denigrating the original poster who is a Microsoft
>> customer, that would be the same Microsoft to whom you claim great
>> loyalty, would it not?

>
> I never attacked the original OP. I stated that I find it hard to
> believe why anbody would willfully want to stop using Vista and continue
> to use XP. I then proceeded to tell them how to do just that.
>
> How is that denigrating?
>
> Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote:

Quote:

>> It is my understanding from reading some of your own posts here that you
>> claim to be some kind if "Developer", which I presume to include the
>> development of computer software as well as a huge ego. I believe I have
>> also seen you refer to Visual Studio which kind of implies that you
>> develop for the Windows platform. That being said, it is quite possible
>> that the OP whom you so readily insulted is indeed one of you OWN
>> customers, or perhaps a future customer.

>
> Yes I am a developer, but not in a professional capacity. And in case
> you misunderstand that, my work does not include getting paid for
> developing software.
>
> And it also just goes to show that you are picky as to what details in
> a post you choose to read and which you choose to ignore. Do a search
> for my posts. Never once have I said that I use Visual Studio. My
> language of choice is Delphi, in the form of Codegear Delphi 2007, or
> Visual Basic for Applications for automating routine tasks in Excel,
> Word or CorelDRAW x3.
>
> Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote:

Quote:

>> So in reality you not only took a sideways shot at Microsoft, you took a
>> far more direct shot at your own foot.

>
> How is supporting Vista taking a sideways shot at Microsoft? Did I not
> originally question the desire of many to want to stick with XP and
> abandon Vista?
>
> But as I said earlier, I also did tell the original OP how to go back
> to XP if he/she wanted to. I never said that they MUST stick with Vista.
> Ultimately, the choice remains with each individual, but I have never
> once told anyone that thy absolutely MUST abandon XP for Vista. I state
> my case as eloquently as possible, and should they choose to remain with
> XP for while, that is their choice.
>
> Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote:

Quote:

>> Now, if you wish to treat Windows XP with contempt that's fine, and
>> Microsoft are probably big enough to look after themselves too, but a
>> polite factual response such as JJ just gave would have done no harm.

>
> You are perhaps correct about the polite response thing, which is what
> I thought I had done. But considering that there are many members who
> read this NG, I'm not surprised that some may take offense to what I
> said, and how I said it. It's not possible to keep everyone happy.
>
> When last have you read a post from perhaps Tiberious or Alias? If you
> think my posts are impolite, then you'd be positively shocked beyond
> belief when you read theirs. I at least make an attempt to be helpful in
> some way, while those two seem to think that this NG is their own
> personal playgound where thy can throw insults at one another (and
> anyone caught in the middle) without anyone noticing.
>
> And I don't necessarily regard XP with contempt. The gist of my post
> was that I consdider XP to be old and no longer suited to my needs. But
> in order to remain realistic, I need to give Vista the priority, because
> more and more of my customer, and those of others, are beginning to use
> it. How do you expect me to help them when they need it if I do not know
> the OS?
>
> Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote:

Quote:

>> I have no dispute with the fact that you could run rings around me
>> programming, but I sure as hell am standing nowhere near when you are
>> shooting.

>
> I never said that I was better than you, or anyone else. As I've stated
> in other posts before, I joined this newsgroup because I needed someones
> help in resolving a problem.
>
> Just as there may be things that I know about computers that you don't,
> there are things that you would know that I don't. Isn't that the whole
> point of a NG such as this one? Where people can get together to pool
> their knowledge in order to help other learn?
>
> I live by this basic rule:
>
> "There is no such thing as a genius. There are only people who have
> learned a little more than others" - Unknown Speaker
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
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**yonkoc** · 12-01-2007

Okay, i skimmed through this post but in brief:
1. Xp is sold by Microsoft for 149 plus tax s&h
2. If you follow this :
> - Purchase a legit XP Home/XP Pro disk
> - Boot from said disk and follow the usual install prompts.
> - When you get to the screen asking which drive you want to install
> to, simply delete the Vista partition, create a new one, and install
> XP
you will end up with a little less space on your hdd than it actually is because the vista restore partition is still there. It is just well hidden. You need to do fdisk to get the max out of the hdd and fully get rid of vista.

Regards

12-01-2007

yonkoc wrote:

Quote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Just a quick question. I bought a Dell laptop with Vista Home premium
> on it, hated it

and bought XP Pro, formatted the HDD (vista
> restore partition is gone), and did a clean install of XP Pro.
> Yesterday I finished building my desktop and I was wondering

if
> I can put Dell's laptop Home premium license on the desktop and upgrade
> it to Vista ultimate?
>
> Please say yes

> Thanks
>
>

The Vista disk will probably *not* work on your desktop. Most
vendors' disks will check the BIOS of the system. If it doesn't
match the system the disk was made for it will not install.

**yonkoc** · 12-01-2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Cyberbear

yonkoc wrote:

The Vista disk will probably *not* work on your desktop. Most
vendors' disks will check the BIOS of the system. If it doesn't
match the system the disk was made for it will not install.

I don't even have a Vista disk, I am getting a reinstall DVD from Dell though, but I guess it'll only serve my laptop and not desktop, no harm in trying though

Thanks for the reply Cyberbear, I'll post if it does

12-01-2007

Yes, you can upgrade directly to Windows Vista Ultimate since you already
have a qualifying license installed on the system (Windows XP Professional).
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"yonkoc" <yonkoc.30wxt0@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:yonkoc.30wxt0@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net...

Quote:

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Just a quick question. I bought a Dell laptop with Vista Home premium
> on it, hated it

and bought XP Pro, formatted the HDD (vista
> restore partition is gone), and did a clean install of XP Pro.
> Yesterday I finished building my desktop and I was wondering

if
> I can put Dell's laptop Home premium license on the desktop and upgrade
> it to Vista ultimate?
>
> Please say yes

> Thanks
>
>
> --
> yonkoc

11-30-2007	#1 (permalink)
Charlie Tame n/a posts	Re: dear microsoft dzomlija wrote: Quote: > Roger Van Loon;530372 Wrote: Quote: >> Jupiter, that message (to which I agree with my whole heart, being a >> veteran of Win 32 - ME - and XP which was by far the best) mainly deals >> with the unfortunate people (like me) who have bought Win Vista and are >> stuck with it. >> It says: >> """"Please, why will you not allow PCers who happend to get stuck with >> VISTA home >> editions to "downgrade" to XP ????????????? >> """" >> Any reply to that? >> Had to buy a new PC due to a crash, and contrary to what you say, all >> new PC's here seem to come with Vista. >> After 4 months of trying, I am getting desperate. >> Roger. >> PS. I would gladly pay for the downgrade >> >> >> >> >> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: > > It does raise an interesting scenario. If someone isn't technically > savvy enough to realise that Vista is better than XP in many ways, then > they are not technically savvy enough to be able to install another OS > correctly. > > And the irony is that there are those who claim they are savvy, but > then proceed to ask how to downgrade to XP and thus disprove their very > claim of being savvy. > > But for those of you who do want to remove Vista and load XP, the > solution is simple: > > - Purchase a legit XP Home/XP Pro disk > - Boot from said disk and follow the usual install prompts. > - When you get to the screen asking which drive you want to install > to, simply delete the Vista partition, create a new one, and install > XPWasn't that easy. Although I still fail to understand why anyone would > want to downgrade to XP from Vista. Thats like deciding you're not happy > with your Ferrari and opting for a 1960's VW beetle! Actually many people purchase and value vintage cars, if for no other reason than the superior craftsmanship Vs the modern production line. Your reply to the OP only serves to denote your absurd self opinion, you are in fact little more than a know nothing obnoxious tick.
My System Specs

11-30-2007	#2 (permalink)
Dzomlija Windows Vista x64 Ultimate 2,217 posts	Re: dear microsoft Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame Actually many people purchase and value vintage cars, if for no other reason than the superior craftsmanship Vs the modern production line. You have just denounced your very argument by saying that some people prefer vintage to high-tech. Only a collector or fan will keep a vintage car around, but in order to keep it's value, will likely not use it lest they destroy its historical value. XP is just that. It's a vintage OS that should be remembered for the impact it had on the computing market. And just like any vintage car, XP will very soon be relegated to being just that. A footnote in the history books. Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame Your reply to the OP only serves to denote your absurd self opinion, you are in fact little more than a know nothing obnoxious tick. I seriously would like some more details on how you came to the conclusion that I know nothing and that I'm a tick. Do you know me personally, and long enough, to be able to make such a judement? Personally, I believe you are the rookie here, hoping to fluster me by resorting to kindergarten insults and name-calling.
My System Specs

11-30-2007	#3 (permalink)
Charlie Tame n/a posts	Re: dear microsoft dzomlija wrote: Quote: > Charlie Tame;530445 Wrote: Quote: >> Actually many people purchase and value vintage cars, if for no other >> reason than the superior craftsmanship Vs the modern production line. > > You have just denounced your very argument by saying that some people > prefer vintage to high-tech. Only a collector or fan will keep a vintage > car around, but in order to keep it's value, will likely not use it lest > they destroy its historical value. > > XP is just that. It's a vintage OS that should be remembered for the > impact it had on the computing market. And just like any vintage car, XP > will very soon be relegated to being just that. A footnote in the > history books. > > Charlie Tame;530445 Wrote: Quote: >> Your reply to the OP only serves to denote your absurd self opinion, you >> are in fact little more than a know nothing obnoxious tick. > > I seriously would like some more details on how you came to the > conclusion that I know nothing and that I'm a tick. Do you know me > personally, and long enough, to be able to make such a judement? > > Personally, I believe you are the rookie here, hoping to fluster me by > resorting to kindergarten insults and name-calling. > > Actually think about it this way... You began by denigrating the original poster who is a Microsoft customer, that would be the same Microsoft to whom you claim great loyalty, would it not? It is my understanding from reading some of your own posts here that you claim to be some kind if "Developer", which I presume to include the development of computer software as well as a huge ego. I believe I have also seen you refer to Visual Studio which kind of implies that you develop for the Windows platform. That being said, it is quite possible that the OP whom you so readily insulted is indeed one of you OWN customers, or perhaps a future customer. So in reality you not only took a sideways shot at Microsoft, you took a far more direct shot at your own foot. Now, if you wish to treat Windows XP with contempt that's fine, and Microsoft are probably big enough to look after themselves too, but a polite factual response such as JJ just gave would have done no harm. I have no dispute with the fact that you could run rings around me programming, but I sure as hell am standing nowhere near when you are shooting.
My System Specs

11-30-2007	#4 (permalink)
the wharf rat n/a posts	Re: dear microsoft In article <dzomlija.30vnz6@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net>, dzomlija <dzomlija.30vnz6@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote: Quote: > >XP is just that. It's a vintage OS that should be remembered for the >impact it had on the computing market. And just like any vintage car, XP >will very soon be relegated to being just that. A footnote in the >history books. > I just bought 3 copies of XP to make sure I can build a few last Windows systems without dealing with Vista. I also still run 2000 on a lot of boxes (some because MS licensing makes upgrades too costly and others because they're in sensitive positions where an upgrade is too risky or the recertification to hard to do without a good reason). And I have a 98 box to make DOS disks on, a couple of laptops running 95 because 98 won't install, and a 3.1 disk I boot once in a while to grab a PC-DOS off of. Old operating systems never die. They just get swapped out to disc.
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12-01-2007	#5 (permalink)
Dzomlija Windows Vista x64 Ultimate 2,217 posts	Re: dear microsoft Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame Actually think about it this way... You began by denigrating the original poster who is a Microsoft customer, that would be the same Microsoft to whom you claim great loyalty, would it not? I never attacked the original OP. I stated that I find it hard to believe why anbody would willfully want to stop using Vista and continue to use XP. I then proceeded to tell them how to do just that. How is that denigrating? Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame It is my understanding from reading some of your own posts here that you claim to be some kind if "Developer", which I presume to include the development of computer software as well as a huge ego. I believe I have also seen you refer to Visual Studio which kind of implies that you develop for the Windows platform. That being said, it is quite possible that the OP whom you so readily insulted is indeed one of you OWN customers, or perhaps a future customer. Yes I am a developer, but not in a professional capacity. And in case you misunderstand that, my work does not include getting paid for developing software. And it also just goes to show that you are picky as to what details in a post you choose to read and which you choose to ignore. Do a search for my posts. Never once have I said that I use Visual Studio. My language of choice is Delphi, in the form of Codegear Delphi 2007, or Visual Basic for Applications for automating routine tasks in Excel, Word or CorelDRAW x3. Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame So in reality you not only took a sideways shot at Microsoft, you took a far more direct shot at your own foot. How is supporting Vista taking a sideways shot at Microsoft? Did I not originally question the desire of many to want to stick with XP and abandon Vista? But as I said earlier, I also did tell the original OP how to go back to XP if he/she wanted to. I never said that they MUST stick with Vista. Ultimately, the choice remains with each individual, but I have never once told anyone that thy absolutely MUST abandon XP for Vista. I state my case as eloquently as possible, and should they choose to remain with XP for while, that is their choice. Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame Now, if you wish to treat Windows XP with contempt that's fine, and Microsoft are probably big enough to look after themselves too, but a polite factual response such as JJ just gave would have done no harm. You are perhaps correct about the polite response thing, which is what I thought I had done. But considering that there are many members who read this NG, I'm not surprised that some may take offense to what I said, and how I said it. It's not possible to keep everyone happy. When last have you read a post from perhaps Tiberious or Alias? If you think my posts are impolite, then you'd be positively shocked beyond belief when you read theirs. I at least make an attempt to be helpful in some way, while those two seem to think that this NG is their own personal playgound where thy can throw insults at one another (and anyone caught in the middle) without anyone noticing. And I don't necessarily regard XP with contempt. The gist of my post was that I consdider XP to be old and no longer suited to my needs. But in order to remain realistic, I need to give Vista the priority, because more and more of my customer, and those of others, are beginning to use it. How do you expect me to help them when they need it if I do not know the OS? Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Tame I have no dispute with the fact that you could run rings around me programming, but I sure as hell am standing nowhere near when you are shooting. I never said that I was better than you, or anyone else. As I've stated in other posts before, I joined this newsgroup because I needed someones help in resolving a problem. Just as there may be things that I know about computers that you don't, there are things that you would know that I don't. Isn't that the whole point of a NG such as this one? Where people can get together to pool their knowledge in order to help other learn? I live by this basic rule: "There is no such thing as a genius. There are only people who have learned a little more than others" - Unknown Speaker
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12-01-2007	#6 (permalink)
xfile n/a posts	Re: dear microsoft First of all, apologize for not being able to resist: As for your question, Quote: > How is that denigrating? To me, the following quotes from your earlier post is what it seems to be: Quote: >It does raise an interesting scenario. If someone isn't technically >savvy enough to realise that Vista is better than XP in many ways, then >they are not technically savvy enough to be able to install another OS >correctly. Quote: >And the irony is that there are those who claim they are savvy, but >then proceed to ask how to downgrade to XP and thus disprove their very >claim of being savvy. Technically savvy doesn't mean one has to know how to install or play with PC OS. I know too many technically savvy engineers and consultants who don't do OS level things but they know how to use Enterprise Applications such as SAP ERP for reengineering and BI (business intelligence) for strategy planning. And when I was in consulting and IT industry, I didn't deal with PC OS or systems. We dealt with multimillion US dollar projects using SCM (supply chain management) and ERP (enterprise resources planning). So who says technically savvy has to be on low-level PC technologies? People say that because they have never been exposed to other areas. Speaking of changes, that's a change many are over due. Quote: > When last have you read a post from perhaps Tiberious or Alias? If you > think my posts are impolite, then you'd be positively shocked beyond > belief when you read theirs. I at least make an attempt to be helpful in > some way, while those two seem to think that this NG is their own > personal playgound where thy can throw insults at one another (and > anyone caught in the middle) without anyone noticing. That is exactly the problem that I am having with you and a few other MVPs. You set the WRONG benchmark - My God. If you are using them for your benchmark, you are downgrading yourself (nothing personal, really). I and lots of others have much higher expectations to you guys as a professional. How can you not expect yourself to behave like one? Charlie Tame is one of the very few who can see the big picture AND has the courage to speak out for the best interests of all stakeholders - Microsoft, customers, and its partners - system builders in this case. The way that some of you are using for treating users and customers will accomplish nothing but creating even more frustrated users and even enemies. In fact, Alias and Linux advocates are not your BIGGEST enemy. People like Frank consistently insulting frustrated and dissatisfied customers and users ARE your biggest enemy. The put salt on the wound, don't you realize that? Those people who really care about you may say things that you don't want to hear. And people say things that you want to hear may very well be your biggest enemy! "dzomlija" <dzomlija.30wggb@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message news:dzomlija.30wggb@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net... Quote: > > Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote: Quote: >> Actually think about it this way... >> >> You began by denigrating the original poster who is a Microsoft >> customer, that would be the same Microsoft to whom you claim great >> loyalty, would it not? > > I never attacked the original OP. I stated that I find it hard to > believe why anbody would willfully want to stop using Vista and continue > to use XP. I then proceeded to tell them how to do just that. > > How is that denigrating? > > Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote: Quote: >> It is my understanding from reading some of your own posts here that you >> claim to be some kind if "Developer", which I presume to include the >> development of computer software as well as a huge ego. I believe I have >> also seen you refer to Visual Studio which kind of implies that you >> develop for the Windows platform. That being said, it is quite possible >> that the OP whom you so readily insulted is indeed one of you OWN >> customers, or perhaps a future customer. > > Yes I am a developer, but not in a professional capacity. And in case > you misunderstand that, my work does not include getting paid for > developing software. > > And it also just goes to show that you are picky as to what details in > a post you choose to read and which you choose to ignore. Do a search > for my posts. Never once have I said that I use Visual Studio. My > language of choice is Delphi, in the form of Codegear Delphi 2007, or > Visual Basic for Applications for automating routine tasks in Excel, > Word or CorelDRAW x3. > > Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote: Quote: >> So in reality you not only took a sideways shot at Microsoft, you took a >> far more direct shot at your own foot. > > How is supporting Vista taking a sideways shot at Microsoft? Did I not > originally question the desire of many to want to stick with XP and > abandon Vista? > > But as I said earlier, I also did tell the original OP how to go back > to XP if he/she wanted to. I never said that they MUST stick with Vista. > Ultimately, the choice remains with each individual, but I have never > once told anyone that thy absolutely MUST abandon XP for Vista. I state > my case as eloquently as possible, and should they choose to remain with > XP for while, that is their choice. > > Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote: Quote: >> Now, if you wish to treat Windows XP with contempt that's fine, and >> Microsoft are probably big enough to look after themselves too, but a >> polite factual response such as JJ just gave would have done no harm. > > You are perhaps correct about the polite response thing, which is what > I thought I had done. But considering that there are many members who > read this NG, I'm not surprised that some may take offense to what I > said, and how I said it. It's not possible to keep everyone happy. > > When last have you read a post from perhaps Tiberious or Alias? If you > think my posts are impolite, then you'd be positively shocked beyond > belief when you read theirs. I at least make an attempt to be helpful in > some way, while those two seem to think that this NG is their own > personal playgound where thy can throw insults at one another (and > anyone caught in the middle) without anyone noticing. > > And I don't necessarily regard XP with contempt. The gist of my post > was that I consdider XP to be old and no longer suited to my needs. But > in order to remain realistic, I need to give Vista the priority, because > more and more of my customer, and those of others, are beginning to use > it. How do you expect me to help them when they need it if I do not know > the OS? > > Charlie Tame;530590 Wrote: Quote: >> I have no dispute with the fact that you could run rings around me >> programming, but I sure as hell am standing nowhere near when you are >> shooting. > > I never said that I was better than you, or anyone else. As I've stated > in other posts before, I joined this newsgroup because I needed someones > help in resolving a problem. > > Just as there may be things that I know about computers that you don't, > there are things that you would know that I don't. Isn't that the whole > point of a NG such as this one? Where people can get together to pool > their knowledge in order to help other learn? > > I live by this basic rule: > > "There is no such thing as a genius. There are only people who have > learned a little more than others" - Unknown Speaker > > > -- > dzomlija > > ____________________________________ > Peter Alexander Dzomlija > Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? -And as > you die, so shall I be Reborn-... > > - ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe > - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+ > - 4GB DDR400 > - 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600 PCI-Express > - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis > - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage > - Vista Ultimate x64 > - CodeGear Delphi 2007'http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/' > (http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/)
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12-01-2007	#7 (permalink)
yonkoc Vista Home Premium 5 posts	Re: dear microsoft Okay, i skimmed through this post but in brief: 1. Xp is sold by Microsoft for 149 plus tax s&h 2. If you follow this : > - Purchase a legit XP Home/XP Pro disk > - Boot from said disk and follow the usual install prompts. > - When you get to the screen asking which drive you want to install > to, simply delete the Vista partition, create a new one, and install > XP you will end up with a little less space on your hdd than it actually is because the vista restore partition is still there. It is just well hidden. You need to do fdisk to get the max out of the hdd and fully get rid of vista. Regards
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12-01-2007	#8 (permalink)
Cyberbear n/a posts	Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade yonkoc wrote: Quote: > Hello everyone, > > Just a quick question. I bought a Dell laptop with Vista Home premium > on it, hated it and bought XP Pro, formatted the HDD (vista > restore partition is gone), and did a clean install of XP Pro. > Yesterday I finished building my desktop and I was wondering if > I can put Dell's laptop Home premium license on the desktop and upgrade > it to Vista ultimate? > > Please say yes > Thanks > > The Vista disk will probably not work on your desktop. Most vendors' disks will check the BIOS of the system. If it doesn't match the system the disk was made for it will not install.
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12-01-2007	#9 (permalink)
yonkoc Vista Home Premium 5 posts	Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade Quote: Originally Posted by Cyberbear yonkoc wrote: The Vista disk will probably not work on your desktop. Most vendors' disks will check the BIOS of the system. If it doesn't match the system the disk was made for it will not install. I don't even have a Vista disk, I am getting a reinstall DVD from Dell though, but I guess it'll only serve my laptop and not desktop, no harm in trying though Thanks for the reply Cyberbear, I'll post if it does
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12-01-2007	#10 (permalink)
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] n/a posts	Re: Vista Ultimate Upgrade Yes, you can upgrade directly to Windows Vista Ultimate since you already have a qualifying license installed on the system (Windows XP Professional). -- Andre Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com My Vista Quickstart Guide: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry "yonkoc" <yonkoc.30wxt0@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message news:yonkoc.30wxt0@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net... Quote: > > Hello everyone, > > Just a quick question. I bought a Dell laptop with Vista Home premium > on it, hated it and bought XP Pro, formatted the HDD (vista > restore partition is gone), and did a clean install of XP Pro. > Yesterday I finished building my desktop and I was wondering if > I can put Dell's laptop Home premium license on the desktop and upgrade > it to Vista ultimate? > > Please say yes > Thanks > > > -- > yonkoc
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