Vista - Any comments on Thurrott's recent article on Supersite?

Comments appreciated from those who have had the opportunity to work with
Vista:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/...ta_5308_05.asp

Just saw earlier thread "If you think this is bad you should hear MY rants!"

This appears to address the issue!

JR


"JR" <hi@there.yu> wrote in message
news:fd2dnTjc0osKx9TZRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> Comments appreciated from those who have had the opportunity to work with
> Vista:
>
> http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/...ta_5308_05.asp
>

I wonder if Thurrott suffers from a multiple personally disorder, one minute
he likes Vista the next he can't stop complaining about it. First, he whines
be because it's taking to long to be released. Let's not forget that MS put
Vista (aka Longhorn) on hold for quite a while they went back to XP and
created a much needed SP2 focusing on the security concerns plaguing XP. In
my opinion that was the right choice rather then making us wait for Vista's
release and charging us more money for bug fixes and security
fixes/improvements; like some companies would do (read: InstallShield).



Next he complains about the things that aren't going to be in the initial
release of Vista. Like he's somehow earned/owed these features because he
was at some conference 3 years ago where MS showed its vision for the future
of Windows. We all know feature cuts are common place in the software
industry. So much so that many of us won't announce future plans until were
sure we can deliver because of ridicule from people like him. I'm glad to
see MS opening up to the community on there plans for future versions of
Windows, even if they can't deliver on them as soon as they'd like. I'd much
rather they take their time and do it right then put it in just so they can
say it was on time.



His comments on the Aero UI's focus indication are valid. They could make it
more apparent which window has focus. In my use of Vista I never had a
problem with confusion about window focus. (Hint: Look at the upper left
corner for the red X to see which window has focus). Personally I could care
less if Vista has some "Mac like" features/look-and-feel. Although I don't
use/own a Mac they do have some nice UI features that, if appropriate, would
be a welcome addition to Vista. Why do we always have to reinvent the wheel?



As for Media Center, Thurrott's complaints are just that, his complaints,
based on his personal opinion. He whines about the colors because they don't
fit his personal taste. He call's the horizontal navigation a mistake, but
fails to see that this is the best layout for a wide screen television.
Given that MCE is designed for a television experience and prevalence of
wide screen tv's this seems like a great design decision. For that matter
even some LCD computer displays are going wide screen. In my opinion the
Vista MCE UI is a welcome progression to the current MCE lineup; so to each
his own.



The bottom line is Vista is still a work in progress and will likely under
go many UI and usability refinements over the next few months.



Okay enough complaining about Thurrot's complaining.

Just my 2 cents,



Thad



"JR" <hi@there.yu> wrote in message
news:fd2dnTjc0osKx9TZRVn-uA@comcast.com...
> Comments appreciated from those who have had the opportunity to work with
> Vista:
>
> http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/...ta_5308_05.asp
>

Hello!

"Thad" <tas_mbx@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uORyEfcZGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I wonder if Thurrott suffers from a multiple personally disorder, one minute he likes Vista the next he can't stop complaining
>about it. First, he whines be because it's taking to long to be released. Let's not forget that MS put Vista (aka Longhorn) on hold
>for quite a while they went back to XP and created a much needed SP2 focusing on the security concerns plaguing XP. In my opinion
>that was the right choice rather then making us wait for Vista's release and charging us more money for bug fixes and security
>fixes/improvements; like some companies would do (read: InstallShield).

Maybe this article will put some pressure on MS Windows Vista developers
(and middle management) to be more effective (maybe they blog too much)! :>

Roman

And what was with the window pane game. " Oh, Gosh I have eight windows
up, which one is in the front?"

if you been using the OS for a while you would of notice that anytime you
have multiple window panes opened. There is always only one with a red "X"
in the corner. That's your tell-tell sign Sherlock. doesn't matter how many
of the same window pane open, it's always the same, the one with the red X
is on top.

"Thad" <tas_mbx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uORyEfcZGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I wonder if Thurrott suffers from a multiple personally disorder, one
>minute he likes Vista the next he can't stop complaining about it. First,
>he whines be because it's taking to long to be released. Let's not forget
>that MS put Vista (aka Longhorn) on hold for quite a while they went back
>to XP and created a much needed SP2 focusing on the security concerns
>plaguing XP. In my opinion that was the right choice rather then making us
>wait for Vista's release and charging us more money for bug fixes and
>security fixes/improvements; like some companies would do (read:
>InstallShield).
>
>
>
> Next he complains about the things that aren't going to be in the initial
> release of Vista. Like he's somehow earned/owed these features because he
> was at some conference 3 years ago where MS showed its vision for the
> future of Windows. We all know feature cuts are common place in the
> software industry. So much so that many of us won't announce future plans
> until were sure we can deliver because of ridicule from people like him.
> I'm glad to see MS opening up to the community on there plans for future
> versions of Windows, even if they can't deliver on them as soon as they'd
> like. I'd much rather they take their time and do it right then put it in
> just so they can say it was on time.
>
>
>
> His comments on the Aero UI's focus indication are valid. They could make
> it more apparent which window has focus. In my use of Vista I never had a
> problem with confusion about window focus. (Hint: Look at the upper left
> corner for the red X to see which window has focus). Personally I could
> care less if Vista has some "Mac like" features/look-and-feel. Although I
> don't use/own a Mac they do have some nice UI features that, if
> appropriate, would be a welcome addition to Vista. Why do we always have
> to reinvent the wheel?
>
>
>
> As for Media Center, Thurrott's complaints are just that, his complaints,
> based on his personal opinion. He whines about the colors because they
> don't fit his personal taste. He call's the horizontal navigation a
> mistake, but fails to see that this is the best layout for a wide screen
> television. Given that MCE is designed for a television experience and
> prevalence of wide screen tv's this seems like a great design decision.
> For that matter even some LCD computer displays are going wide screen. In
> my opinion the Vista MCE UI is a welcome progression to the current MCE
> lineup; so to each his own.
>
>
>
> The bottom line is Vista is still a work in progress and will likely under
> go many UI and usability refinements over the next few months.
>
>
>
> Okay enough complaining about Thurrot's complaining.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
>
>
>
> Thad
>
>
>
> "JR" <hi@there.yu> wrote in message
> news:fd2dnTjc0osKx9TZRVn-uA@comcast.com...
>> Comments appreciated from those who have had the opportunity to work with
>> Vista:
>>
>> http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/...ta_5308_05.asp
>>
>
>

I think his point (although he certainitely could have put it better) is
that it's not immediately obvious, which is true. With previous versions of
Windows, you only need to glance at the title bar. With this one, you have
to glance at the close button.

I think it's a fair point, but Thurrock could have made his point in a much
better way than his little rant.


"Robert Rixx" <rrixx@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:A00C1100-31F3-4277-9BB6-31CA51C76B4A@microsoft.com...
> And what was with the window pane game. " Oh, Gosh I have eight windows
> up, which one is in the front?"
>
> if you been using the OS for a while you would of notice that anytime you
> have multiple window panes opened. There is always only one with a red "X"
> in the corner. That's your tell-tell sign Sherlock. doesn't matter how
> many of the same window pane open, it's always the same, the one with the
> red X is on top.
>
> "Thad" <tas_mbx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uORyEfcZGHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I wonder if Thurrott suffers from a multiple personally disorder, one
>>minute he likes Vista the next he can't stop complaining about it. First,
>>he whines be because it's taking to long to be released. Let's not forget
>>that MS put Vista (aka Longhorn) on hold for quite a while they went back
>>to XP and created a much needed SP2 focusing on the security concerns
>>plaguing XP. In my opinion that was the right choice rather then making us
>>wait for Vista's release and charging us more money for bug fixes and
>>security fixes/improvements; like some companies would do (read:
>>InstallShield).
>>
>>
>>
>> Next he complains about the things that aren't going to be in the initial
>> release of Vista. Like he's somehow earned/owed these features because he
>> was at some conference 3 years ago where MS showed its vision for the
>> future of Windows. We all know feature cuts are common place in the
>> software industry. So much so that many of us won't announce future plans
>> until were sure we can deliver because of ridicule from people like him.
>> I'm glad to see MS opening up to the community on there plans for future
>> versions of Windows, even if they can't deliver on them as soon as they'd
>> like. I'd much rather they take their time and do it right then put it in
>> just so they can say it was on time.
>>
>>
>>
>> His comments on the Aero UI's focus indication are valid. They could make
>> it more apparent which window has focus. In my use of Vista I never had a
>> problem with confusion about window focus. (Hint: Look at the upper left
>> corner for the red X to see which window has focus). Personally I could
>> care less if Vista has some "Mac like" features/look-and-feel. Although I
>> don't use/own a Mac they do have some nice UI features that, if
>> appropriate, would be a welcome addition to Vista. Why do we always have
>> to reinvent the wheel?
>>
>>
>>
>> As for Media Center, Thurrott's complaints are just that, his complaints,
>> based on his personal opinion. He whines about the colors because they
>> don't fit his personal taste. He call's the horizontal navigation a
>> mistake, but fails to see that this is the best layout for a wide screen
>> television. Given that MCE is designed for a television experience and
>> prevalence of wide screen tv's this seems like a great design decision.
>> For that matter even some LCD computer displays are going wide screen. In
>> my opinion the Vista MCE UI is a welcome progression to the current MCE
>> lineup; so to each his own.
>>
>>
>>
>> The bottom line is Vista is still a work in progress and will likely
>> under go many UI and usability refinements over the next few months.
>>
>>
>>
>> Okay enough complaining about Thurrot's complaining.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thad
>>
>>
>>
>> "JR" <hi@there.yu> wrote in message
>> news:fd2dnTjc0osKx9TZRVn-uA@comcast.com...
>>> Comments appreciated from those who have had the opportunity to work
>>> with Vista:
>>>
>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/...ta_5308_05.asp
>>>
>>
>>
>

JR wrote:
> Comments appreciated from those who have had the opportunity to work with
> Vista:
>
> http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/...ta_5308_05.asp
>
>

Yes, this article is very apt. In addition to the items mentioned in
this article, Vista will enable rootkit (and DRM) infections by allowing
invisible processes to run. It's very late, full of DRM, and incredibly
bloated.

Things I like about Vista are that it runs almost all processes under
the user mode instead of under kernel mode, and it has classic view.

"Test Man" <testman@test.org> wrote in
news:#1lIjphZGHA.3524@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> I think his point (although he certainitely could have put it
> better) is that it's not immediately obvious, which is true. With
> previous versions of Windows, you only need to glance at the title
> bar. With this one, you have to glance at the close button.
>
> I think it's a fair point, but Thurrock could have made his point in
> a much better way than his little rant.
>

given what's possible with the new UI, surely they could've done much
better than just different colors on the min/max/close.