Vista - System Restore Not Saving Restore Point

12-28-2007

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:38 -0500, "Michael Palumbo"
<micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

> You can't run two antivirus programs at the same time . .

Of course you *can*. It's a very bad idea, but it's certainly
possible.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

12-28-2007

"AlexB" <alexblai@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uB95t8bSIHA.1164@xxxxxx

Quote:

> I think a restore point is created automatically when you downloaded
> something and installed.
>
> If you installed five packages today, there will be five restore points.
> If you want to restore the system to the second one all subsequent will be
> gone. I am not quite sure, but it seems the point you are restoring to
> will also be gone but the folders will remain, although without protection
> and you can delete them all the same.
>
> In the scenario I outlined you will have one restore point remaining: the
> first one. Nothing will happen to it.
>
> If you had only one restore point, you removed it there will be nothing
> left.
>
>
> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
> news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of
>> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone.
>> Says that no restore points were created on this system.
>>
>> Any help will be appreciated,
>> James

>

The problem James has described is this;

After a reboot, ALL restore points are erased, no matter what he's done
previously. He's not restoring to an earlier point and losing restore
points, he's simply restarting his computer.

I'll look into other possible causes, but I'm still leaning toward something
writing to the disk prior to Windows taking over the disk access chores,
this is most often the culprit for this.

Mic

12-28-2007

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:38 -0500, "Michael Palumbo"
> <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
>

Quote:

>> You can't run two antivirus programs at the same time . .

>
>
>
> Of course you *can*. It's a very bad idea, but it's certainly
> possible.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Point taken . . .

Of course, someone *can* drink acid too, it's just a very bad idea. :-)

I usually consider bad ideas something to put in the "can't do" or "don't
do" category. :-)

Mic

12-28-2007

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:53:28 -0500, "Michael Palumbo"
<micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:t5dbn3t8p6ld4f53c7v7l2suphufk4qvq8@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:38 -0500, "Michael Palumbo"
> > <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >

Quote:

> >> You can't run two antivirus programs at the same time . .

> >
> >
> >
> > Of course you *can*. It's a very bad idea, but it's certainly
> > possible.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>
> Point taken . . .
>
> Of course, someone *can* drink acid too, it's just a very bad idea. :-)
>
> I usually consider bad ideas something to put in the "can't do" or "don't
> do" category. :-)

OK, but I think it's very important to distinguish between "can't" and
"shouldn't." They are after all very different things.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

12-28-2007

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:32:52 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:53:28 -0500, "Michael Palumbo"
> <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

> >
> >
> > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:t5dbn3t8p6ld4f53c7v7l2suphufk4qvq8@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:38 -0500, "Michael Palumbo"
> > > <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> You can't run two antivirus programs at the same time . .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course you *can*. It's a very bad idea, but it's certainly
> > > possible.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> >
> > Point taken . . .
> >
> > Of course, someone *can* drink acid too, it's just a very bad idea. :-)
> >
> > I usually consider bad ideas something to put in the "can't do" or "don't
> > do" category. :-)

>
>
> OK, but I think it's very important to distinguish between "can't" and
> "shouldn't." They are after all very different things.

At the risk of pointing out what everyone finds obvious, let me add
that we don't have to worry about what we can't do, but we certainly
need to worry about what we shouldn't do.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

12-29-2007

Not using Norton (anymore). Slowed my system down to a crawl.

James

"Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eUSRTRcSIHA.5164@xxxxxx
Norton (Symantec) installed by any chance ????????? If it is then you have
your answer. Norton will and can strike at any time. Seen Norton work for 1
year or more before it struck

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of
> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone.
> Says that no restore points were created on this system.
>
> Any help will be appreciated,
> James

12-29-2007

I've even uninstalled the PC Tools software and the restore point was
erased.

James

"Michael Palumbo" <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uT05bVcSIHA.1528@xxxxxx

Quote:

>
>
> "AlexB" <alexblai@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uB95t8bSIHA.1164@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> I think a restore point is created automatically when you downloaded
>> something and installed.
>>
>> If you installed five packages today, there will be five restore points.
>> If you want to restore the system to the second one all subsequent will
>> be gone. I am not quite sure, but it seems the point you are restoring to
>> will also be gone but the folders will remain, although without
>> protection and you can delete them all the same.
>>
>> In the scenario I outlined you will have one restore point remaining: the
>> first one. Nothing will happen to it.
>>
>> If you had only one restore point, you removed it there will be nothing
>> left.
>>
>>
>> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
>> news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of
>>> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone.
>>> Says that no restore points were created on this system.
>>>
>>> Any help will be appreciated,
>>> James

>>

>
> The problem James has described is this;
>
> After a reboot, ALL restore points are erased, no matter what he's done
> previously. He's not restoring to an earlier point and losing restore
> points, he's simply restarting his computer.
>
> I'll look into other possible causes, but I'm still leaning toward
> something writing to the disk prior to Windows taking over the disk access
> chores, this is most often the culprit for this.
>
> Mic

12-29-2007

What other utilities do you have installed?
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
news:%2365YMPgSIHA.4888@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Not using Norton (anymore). Slowed my system down to a crawl.
>
> James
>
> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eUSRTRcSIHA.5164@xxxxxx
> Norton (Symantec) installed by any chance ????????? If it is then you have
> your answer. Norton will and can strike at any time. Seen Norton work for
> 1 year or more before it struck
>
> --
> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>
> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
> news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of
>> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone.
>> Says that no restore points were created on this system.
>>
>> Any help will be appreciated,
>> James

>

12-29-2007

I hate being a troll but the word Norton strikes fear in my heart from my
past experience. I am curious how they have survived all these years leaving
so many bad trails and ruined computers in their wake.

"JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
news:%2365YMPgSIHA.4888@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Not using Norton (anymore). Slowed my system down to a crawl.
>
> James
>
> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eUSRTRcSIHA.5164@xxxxxx
> Norton (Symantec) installed by any chance ????????? If it is then you have
> your answer. Norton will and can strike at any time. Seen Norton work for
> 1 year or more before it struck
>
> --
> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>
> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
> news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of
>> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone.
>> Says that no restore points were created on this system.
>>
>> Any help will be appreciated,
>> James

>

12-29-2007

Take a look at this KB article: Restore Points Are Not Saved in System
Restore
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306762
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
news:e02F4%23jSIHA.1528@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Just a disk cleanup 'Desktop Mechanic' (PcTools) but as far as I know
> I have total control over when it does cleanup. As far as I can see thjis
> prograsm doesn't run
> anything at startup or before startup.
> According to MsConfig the only other programs starting a startup ar
> Windows Defender
> and my wireless mouse and keyboard software.
>
> James
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uz98SliSIHA.1208@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> What other utilities do you have installed?
>> --
>> Andre
>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
>> news:%2365YMPgSIHA.4888@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> Not using Norton (anymore). Slowed my system down to a crawl.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:eUSRTRcSIHA.5164@xxxxxx
>>> Norton (Symantec) installed by any chance ????????? If it is then you
>>> have your answer. Norton will and can strike at any time. Seen Norton
>>> work for 1 year or more before it struck
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
>>> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>>>
>>> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx
>>>> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of
>>>> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone.
>>>> Says that no restore points were created on this system.
>>>>
>>>> Any help will be appreciated,
>>>> James
>>>

>>
>>

>

12-28-2007	#11 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:38 -0500, "Michael Palumbo" <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > You can't run two antivirus programs at the same time . . Of course you can. It's a very bad idea, but it's certainly possible. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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12-28-2007	#12 (permalink)
Michael Palumbo n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point "AlexB" <alexblai@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uB95t8bSIHA.1164@xxxxxx Quote: > I think a restore point is created automatically when you downloaded > something and installed. > > If you installed five packages today, there will be five restore points. > If you want to restore the system to the second one all subsequent will be > gone. I am not quite sure, but it seems the point you are restoring to > will also be gone but the folders will remain, although without protection > and you can delete them all the same. > > In the scenario I outlined you will have one restore point remaining: the > first one. Nothing will happen to it. > > If you had only one restore point, you removed it there will be nothing > left. > > > "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message > news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx Quote: >> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of >> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone. >> Says that no restore points were created on this system. >> >> Any help will be appreciated, >> James > The problem James has described is this; After a reboot, ALL restore points are erased, no matter what he's done previously. He's not restoring to an earlier point and losing restore points, he's simply restarting his computer. I'll look into other possible causes, but I'm still leaning toward something writing to the disk prior to Windows taking over the disk access chores, this is most often the culprit for this. Mic
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12-28-2007	#13 (permalink)
Michael Palumbo n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:t5dbn3t8p6ld4f53c7v7l2suphufk4qvq8@xxxxxx Quote: > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:38 -0500, "Michael Palumbo" > <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote: > > Quote: >> You can't run two antivirus programs at the same time . . > > > > Of course you can. It's a very bad idea, but it's certainly > possible. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User > Please Reply to the Newsgroup Point taken . . . Of course, someone can drink acid too, it's just a very bad idea. :-) I usually consider bad ideas something to put in the "can't do" or "don't do" category. :-) Mic
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12-28-2007	#14 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:53:28 -0500, "Michael Palumbo" <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:t5dbn3t8p6ld4f53c7v7l2suphufk4qvq8@xxxxxx Quote: > > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:38 -0500, "Michael Palumbo" > > <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Quote: > >> You can't run two antivirus programs at the same time . . > > > > > > > > Of course you can. It's a very bad idea, but it's certainly > > possible. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > > Point taken . . . > > Of course, someone can drink acid too, it's just a very bad idea. :-) > > I usually consider bad ideas something to put in the "can't do" or "don't > do" category. :-) OK, but I think it's very important to distinguish between "can't" and "shouldn't." They are after all very different things. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
My System Specs

12-28-2007	#15 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:32:52 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:53:28 -0500, "Michael Palumbo" > <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: > > > > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > news:t5dbn3t8p6ld4f53c7v7l2suphufk4qvq8@xxxxxx Quote: > > > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:38 -0500, "Michael Palumbo" > > > <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> You can't run two antivirus programs at the same time . . > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you can. It's a very bad idea, but it's certainly > > > possible. > > > > > > -- > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > > > > Point taken . . . > > > > Of course, someone can drink acid too, it's just a very bad idea. :-) > > > > I usually consider bad ideas something to put in the "can't do" or "don't > > do" category. :-) > > > OK, but I think it's very important to distinguish between "can't" and > "shouldn't." They are after all very different things. At the risk of pointing out what everyone finds obvious, let me add that we don't have to worry about what we can't do, but we certainly need to worry about what we shouldn't do. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
My System Specs

12-29-2007	#16 (permalink)
JamesJ n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point Not using Norton (anymore). Slowed my system down to a crawl. James "Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eUSRTRcSIHA.5164@xxxxxx Norton (Symantec) installed by any chance ????????? If it is then you have your answer. Norton will and can strike at any time. Seen Norton work for 1 year or more before it struck -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx Quote: > Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of > a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone. > Says that no restore points were created on this system. > > Any help will be appreciated, > James
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12-29-2007	#17 (permalink)
JamesJ n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point I've even uninstalled the PC Tools software and the restore point was erased. James "Michael Palumbo" <micjustmic@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uT05bVcSIHA.1528@xxxxxx Quote: > > > "AlexB" <alexblai@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:uB95t8bSIHA.1164@xxxxxx Quote: >> I think a restore point is created automatically when you downloaded >> something and installed. >> >> If you installed five packages today, there will be five restore points. >> If you want to restore the system to the second one all subsequent will >> be gone. I am not quite sure, but it seems the point you are restoring to >> will also be gone but the folders will remain, although without >> protection and you can delete them all the same. >> >> In the scenario I outlined you will have one restore point remaining: the >> first one. Nothing will happen to it. >> >> If you had only one restore point, you removed it there will be nothing >> left. >> >> >> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message >> news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of >>> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone. >>> Says that no restore points were created on this system. >>> >>> Any help will be appreciated, >>> James >> > > The problem James has described is this; > > After a reboot, ALL restore points are erased, no matter what he's done > previously. He's not restoring to an earlier point and losing restore > points, he's simply restarting his computer. > > I'll look into other possible causes, but I'm still leaning toward > something writing to the disk prior to Windows taking over the disk access > chores, this is most often the culprit for this. > > Mic
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12-29-2007	#18 (permalink)
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point What other utilities do you have installed? -- Andre Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com My Vista Quickstart Guide: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message news:%2365YMPgSIHA.4888@xxxxxx Quote: > Not using Norton (anymore). Slowed my system down to a crawl. > > James > > "Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:eUSRTRcSIHA.5164@xxxxxx > Norton (Symantec) installed by any chance ????????? If it is then you have > your answer. Norton will and can strike at any time. Seen Norton work for > 1 year or more before it struck > > -- > Peter > > Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others > Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. > > "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message > news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx Quote: >> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of >> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone. >> Says that no restore points were created on this system. >> >> Any help will be appreciated, >> James >
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12-29-2007	#19 (permalink)
AlexB n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point I hate being a troll but the word Norton strikes fear in my heart from my past experience. I am curious how they have survived all these years leaving so many bad trails and ruined computers in their wake. "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message news:%2365YMPgSIHA.4888@xxxxxx Quote: > Not using Norton (anymore). Slowed my system down to a crawl. > > James > > "Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:eUSRTRcSIHA.5164@xxxxxx > Norton (Symantec) installed by any chance ????????? If it is then you have > your answer. Norton will and can strike at any time. Seen Norton work for > 1 year or more before it struck > > -- > Peter > > Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others > Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. > > "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message > news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx Quote: >> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of >> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone. >> Says that no restore points were created on this system. >> >> Any help will be appreciated, >> James >
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12-29-2007	#20 (permalink)
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] n/a posts	Re: System Restore Not Saving Restore Point Take a look at this KB article: Restore Points Are Not Saved in System Restore http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306762 -- Andre Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com My Vista Quickstart Guide: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message news:e02F4%23jSIHA.1528@xxxxxx Quote: > Just a disk cleanup 'Desktop Mechanic' (PcTools) but as far as I know > I have total control over when it does cleanup. As far as I can see thjis > prograsm doesn't run > anything at startup or before startup. > According to MsConfig the only other programs starting a startup ar > Windows Defender > and my wireless mouse and keyboard software. > > James > > "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:uz98SliSIHA.1208@xxxxxx Quote: >> What other utilities do you have installed? >> -- >> Andre >> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com >> My Vista Quickstart Guide: >> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry >> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message >> news:%2365YMPgSIHA.4888@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Not using Norton (anymore). Slowed my system down to a crawl. >>> >>> James >>> >>> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:eUSRTRcSIHA.5164@xxxxxx >>> Norton (Symantec) installed by any chance ????????? If it is then you >>> have your answer. Norton will and can strike at any time. Seen Norton >>> work for 1 year or more before it struck >>> >>> -- >>> Peter >>> >>> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others >>> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. >>> >>> "JamesJ" <jjy@xxxxxx_darwin.net> wrote in message >>> news:eukhAMaSIHA.4152@xxxxxx >>>> Don't know why, but now System Restore allows creation of >>>> a restore point but after rebooting the restore point is gone. >>>> Says that no restore points were created on this system. >>>> >>>> Any help will be appreciated, >>>> James >>> >> >> >
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