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Old 01-14-2008   #11 (permalink)
Mick Murphy


 
 

Re: Clean Install From Express Upgrade Disc

His post does NOT insinuate that at all.

Give up the POT and RUM!

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
Quote:

> No problem at all, but your post insinuates that the only possible way to
> move to Windows Vista is to do a clean install only, but this is not the
> case.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> "Dell Boy" <Dell Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote in message
> news:C74A3DE0-D890-40FE-BAAB-AB5DFC3E837B@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > With respect Andre, my experience tells me that clean installing is the
> > only
> > way to upgrade and end up with a stable machine. I've seen several
> > upgrades
> > done by putting the disk in and the machine is a mess afterwards. Vista
> > just
> > doesn't like Windows XP drivers (i.e. printer, wireless USB adapter, etc).
> >
> > "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
> >
Quote:

> >> To use the Express Upgrade, boot into Windows, insert your Windows
> >> Express
> >> Upgrade DVD and follow the instructions on screen for upgrading. There
> >> should not be a need to a clean install if your running Windows XP x86.
> >> --
> >> Andre
> >> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> >> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> >> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> >> "Dell Boy" <Dell Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote in message
> >> news:0B0DE79A-27DF-479C-B2FE-2AEBE45CD9C4@xxxxxx
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I'm intending to do a clean install of Windows Home Premium from an
> >> > Express
> >> > Upgrade disk and wondered if anyone has done this before and can give
> >> > me
> >> > some
> >> > tips.
> >> >
> >> > I've researched on the web and it looks as if when carrying out a clean
> >> > install from an upgrade disc you have to install the upgrade then
> >> > upgrade
> >> > the
> >> > upgrade. I therefore intend to do the following:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Boot to the upgrade disc, reformat C: and load the upgrade.
> >> > 2. Install the chipset.
> >> > 3. Put the upgrade disc in and upgrade the upgrade.
> >> > 4. Load chipset, drivers, etc.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

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Old 01-14-2008   #12 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP


 
 

Re: Clean Install From Express Upgrade Disc

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:14 -0800, Dell Boy <Dell
Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote:
Quote:

> With respect Andre, my experience tells me that clean installing is the only
> way to upgrade and end up with a stable machine.

My experience is the exact opposite. In the old days of Windows 9x,
that was very often true, but these days, since Windows XP, the new
version replaces almost everything anyway, and usually works very
well.

The machine I am using at the moment is running Vista Ultimate. It was
upgraded from Windows XP Professional in November of 2006, when Vista
first went RTM, and it's been completely stable ever since.

My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much
easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and
reinstall cleanly if problems develop.

However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need
to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to
upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden
power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of
everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and
anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens.

The one time when an upgrade is least likely to produce stable results
is when you are having problems to begin with. People will sometimes
do an upgrade on a problem-ridden machine, perhaps one infected with
malware, in the vain hope that the upgrade will solve their problems.
In fact the opposite is true, and in upgrade in those circumstances is
likely to exacerbate the problems. My view is that most of the bum rap
that upgrades get results from upgrades that are done in that
circumstance.


Quote:

> I've seen several upgrades
> done by putting the disk in and the machine is a mess afterwards. Vista just
> doesn't like Windows XP drivers (i.e. printer, wireless USB adapter, etc).
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
>
Quote:

> > To use the Express Upgrade, boot into Windows, insert your Windows Express
> > Upgrade DVD and follow the instructions on screen for upgrading. There
> > should not be a need to a clean install if your running Windows XP x86.
> > --
> > Andre
> > Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> > My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> > http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> > "Dell Boy" <Dell Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote in message
> > news:0B0DE79A-27DF-479C-B2FE-2AEBE45CD9C4@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm intending to do a clean install of Windows Home Premium from an
> > > Express
> > > Upgrade disk and wondered if anyone has done this before and can give me
> > > some
> > > tips.
> > >
> > > I've researched on the web and it looks as if when carrying out a clean
> > > install from an upgrade disc you have to install the upgrade then upgrade
> > > the
> > > upgrade. I therefore intend to do the following:
> > >
> > > 1. Boot to the upgrade disc, reformat C: and load the upgrade.
> > > 2. Install the chipset.
> > > 3. Put the upgrade disc in and upgrade the upgrade.
> > > 4. Load chipset, drivers, etc.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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Old 01-14-2008   #13 (permalink)
Dell Boy


 
 

Re: Clean Install From Express Upgrade Disc

Ken,

I respect your reply but I'm sticking to my original response. As a mobile
IT Technician the majority of the bad upgrades that I've seen have been
caused by conflicts between the Vista operating system and XP drivers and/or
software. I've also lost count of the number of new machines I've had to
reset to factory settings and download & install Vista drivers becasue the
owner has installed their XP drivers on the machine and rendered it
slow/unstable.

This job is for a client and he isn't going to want to pay for me to do the
job twice so I intend to do it in the manner I believe has the best chance of
success.

Oh and if there are any Microsoft knockers reading this please don't think
I'm one of you. Vista is the best version of Windows yet.


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
Quote:

> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:14 -0800, Dell Boy <Dell
> Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote:
>
Quote:

> > With respect Andre, my experience tells me that clean installing is the only
> > way to upgrade and end up with a stable machine.
>
>
> My experience is the exact opposite. In the old days of Windows 9x,
> that was very often true, but these days, since Windows XP, the new
> version replaces almost everything anyway, and usually works very
> well.
>
> The machine I am using at the moment is running Vista Ultimate. It was
> upgraded from Windows XP Professional in November of 2006, when Vista
> first went RTM, and it's been completely stable ever since.
>
> My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much
> easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and
> reinstall cleanly if problems develop.
>
> However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need
> to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to
> upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden
> power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of
> everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and
> anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens.
>
> The one time when an upgrade is least likely to produce stable results
> is when you are having problems to begin with. People will sometimes
> do an upgrade on a problem-ridden machine, perhaps one infected with
> malware, in the vain hope that the upgrade will solve their problems.
> In fact the opposite is true, and in upgrade in those circumstances is
> likely to exacerbate the problems. My view is that most of the bum rap
> that upgrades get results from upgrades that are done in that
> circumstance.
>
>
>
Quote:

> > I've seen several upgrades
> > done by putting the disk in and the machine is a mess afterwards. Vista just
> > doesn't like Windows XP drivers (i.e. printer, wireless USB adapter, etc).
> >
> > "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
> >
Quote:

> > > To use the Express Upgrade, boot into Windows, insert your Windows Express
> > > Upgrade DVD and follow the instructions on screen for upgrading. There
> > > should not be a need to a clean install if your running Windows XP x86.
> > > --
> > > Andre
> > > Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> > > My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> > > http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> > > "Dell Boy" <Dell Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote in message
> > > news:0B0DE79A-27DF-479C-B2FE-2AEBE45CD9C4@xxxxxx
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm intending to do a clean install of Windows Home Premium from an
> > > > Express
> > > > Upgrade disk and wondered if anyone has done this before and can give me
> > > > some
> > > > tips.
> > > >
> > > > I've researched on the web and it looks as if when carrying out a clean
> > > > install from an upgrade disc you have to install the upgrade then upgrade
> > > > the
> > > > upgrade. I therefore intend to do the following:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Boot to the upgrade disc, reformat C: and load the upgrade.
> > > > 2. Install the chipset.
> > > > 3. Put the upgrade disc in and upgrade the upgrade.
> > > > 4. Load chipset, drivers, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
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Old 01-14-2008   #14 (permalink)
Dell Boy


 
 

Re: Clean Install From Express Upgrade Disc

Mick, Many thanks for your input and the link, much appreciated.

"Mick Murphy" wrote:
Quote:

> Clean Install From Upgrade Vista
>
> Have a read of Shaun's workaround for it.
>
> Take NO notice of that Andre! He is a drunkard.
>
>
> "Dell Boy" wrote:
>
Quote:

> > With respect Andre, my experience tells me that clean installing is the only
> > way to upgrade and end up with a stable machine. I've seen several upgrades
> > done by putting the disk in and the machine is a mess afterwards. Vista just
> > doesn't like Windows XP drivers (i.e. printer, wireless USB adapter, etc).
> >
> > "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
> >
Quote:

> > > To use the Express Upgrade, boot into Windows, insert your Windows Express
> > > Upgrade DVD and follow the instructions on screen for upgrading. There
> > > should not be a need to a clean install if your running Windows XP x86.
> > > --
> > > Andre
> > > Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> > > My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> > > http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> > > "Dell Boy" <Dell Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote in message
> > > news:0B0DE79A-27DF-479C-B2FE-2AEBE45CD9C4@xxxxxx
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm intending to do a clean install of Windows Home Premium from an
> > > > Express
> > > > Upgrade disk and wondered if anyone has done this before and can give me
> > > > some
> > > > tips.
> > > >
> > > > I've researched on the web and it looks as if when carrying out a clean
> > > > install from an upgrade disc you have to install the upgrade then upgrade
> > > > the
> > > > upgrade. I therefore intend to do the following:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Boot to the upgrade disc, reformat C: and load the upgrade.
> > > > 2. Install the chipset.
> > > > 3. Put the upgrade disc in and upgrade the upgrade.
> > > > 4. Load chipset, drivers, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Old 01-14-2008   #15 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP


 
 

Re: Clean Install From Express Upgrade Disc

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:22:01 -0800, Dell Boy <Dell
Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote:
Quote:

> Ken,
>
> I respect your reply but I'm sticking to my original response.

That's certainly your prerogative. People often disagree in these
newsgroups. As often happens, anyone reading here gets to see opposing
points of view, and has to make his own choices of what to believe.

Quote:

> As a mobile
> IT Technician the majority of the bad upgrades that I've seen have been
> caused by conflicts between the Vista operating system and XP drivers and/or
> software. I've also lost count of the number of new machines I've had to
> reset to factory settings and download & install Vista drivers becasue the
> owner has installed their XP drivers on the machine and rendered it
> slow/unstable.
>
> This job is for a client and he isn't going to want to pay for me to do the
> job twice so I intend to do it in the manner I believe has the best chance of
> success.

That's an important point, and somewhat changes the issue in my view.
The best choice of what you for pay to have done for you isn't always
the best choice when doing it yourself.



Quote:

>
> Oh and if there are any Microsoft knockers reading this please don't think
> I'm one of you. Vista is the best version of Windows yet.
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>
Quote:

> > On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:14 -0800, Dell Boy <Dell
> > Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote:
> >
Quote:

> > > With respect Andre, my experience tells me that clean installing is the only
> > > way to upgrade and end up with a stable machine.
> >
> >
> > My experience is the exact opposite. In the old days of Windows 9x,
> > that was very often true, but these days, since Windows XP, the new
> > version replaces almost everything anyway, and usually works very
> > well.
> >
> > The machine I am using at the moment is running Vista Ultimate. It was
> > upgraded from Windows XP Professional in November of 2006, when Vista
> > first went RTM, and it's been completely stable ever since.
> >
> > My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much
> > easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and
> > reinstall cleanly if problems develop.
> >
> > However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need
> > to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to
> > upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden
> > power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of
> > everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and
> > anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens.
> >
> > The one time when an upgrade is least likely to produce stable results
> > is when you are having problems to begin with. People will sometimes
> > do an upgrade on a problem-ridden machine, perhaps one infected with
> > malware, in the vain hope that the upgrade will solve their problems.
> > In fact the opposite is true, and in upgrade in those circumstances is
> > likely to exacerbate the problems. My view is that most of the bum rap
> > that upgrades get results from upgrades that are done in that
> > circumstance.
> >
> >
> >
Quote:

> > > I've seen several upgrades
> > > done by putting the disk in and the machine is a mess afterwards. Vista just
> > > doesn't like Windows XP drivers (i.e. printer, wireless USB adapter, etc).
> > >
> > > "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > To use the Express Upgrade, boot into Windows, insert your Windows Express
> > > > Upgrade DVD and follow the instructions on screen for upgrading. There
> > > > should not be a need to a clean install if your running Windows XP x86.
> > > > --
> > > > Andre
> > > > Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> > > > My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> > > > http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> > > > "Dell Boy" <Dell Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote in message
> > > > news:0B0DE79A-27DF-479C-B2FE-2AEBE45CD9C4@xxxxxx
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm intending to do a clean install of Windows Home Premium from an
> > > > > Express
> > > > > Upgrade disk and wondered if anyone has done this before and can give me
> > > > > some
> > > > > tips.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've researched on the web and it looks as if when carrying out a clean
> > > > > install from an upgrade disc you have to install the upgrade then upgrade
> > > > > the
> > > > > upgrade. I therefore intend to do the following:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Boot to the upgrade disc, reformat C: and load the upgrade.
> > > > > 2. Install the chipset.
> > > > > 3. Put the upgrade disc in and upgrade the upgrade.
> > > > > 4. Load chipset, drivers, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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Old 01-14-2008   #16 (permalink)
MICHAEL


 
 

Re: Clean Install From Express Upgrade Disc

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:fflno3pb4bu3tb6j6d6j3sgbev72kott4t@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:14 -0800, Dell Boy <Dell
> Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote:
>
Quote:

>> With respect Andre, my experience tells me that clean installing is the only
>> way to upgrade and end up with a stable machine.
>
>
> My experience is the exact opposite. In the old days of Windows 9x,
> that was very often true, but these days, since Windows XP, the new
> version replaces almost everything anyway, and usually works very
> well.
Vista *does* replace *everything*. Vista's install is different than
all other prior Windows' installs. The upgrade install takes inventory
of your machine and then saves the stuff that can be transferred.
Moves that stuff aside. Then it puts down a brand new image.
After the new image is in place, it imports the saved stuff back.
The problem with upgrade installs arise from programs that are
put back that really aren't compatible with Vista and should have
been installed fresh or not at all. Vista's setup is supposed to catch
the things that aren't compatible and move that stuff to the folder
Windows.old. But, it certainly isn't perfect.

If you do an upgrade install, you should always uninstall any type of
security software and do some basic disk cleanup.

I've tested doing several upgrade installs and they all went fine.
However, I still suggest to do a clean install. It just eliminates many
maybes and whatifs, and it is also much faster to install.


-Michael
Quote:

> The machine I am using at the moment is running Vista Ultimate. It was
> upgraded from Windows XP Professional in November of 2006, when Vista
> first went RTM, and it's been completely stable ever since.
>
> My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much
> easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and
> reinstall cleanly if problems develop.
>
> However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need
> to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to
> upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden
> power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of
> everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and
> anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens.
>
> The one time when an upgrade is least likely to produce stable results
> is when you are having problems to begin with. People will sometimes
> do an upgrade on a problem-ridden machine, perhaps one infected with
> malware, in the vain hope that the upgrade will solve their problems.
> In fact the opposite is true, and in upgrade in those circumstances is
> likely to exacerbate the problems. My view is that most of the bum rap
> that upgrades get results from upgrades that are done in that
> circumstance.
>
>
>
Quote:

>> I've seen several upgrades
>> done by putting the disk in and the machine is a mess afterwards. Vista just
>> doesn't like Windows XP drivers (i.e. printer, wireless USB adapter, etc).
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
>>
Quote:

>> > To use the Express Upgrade, boot into Windows, insert your Windows Express
>> > Upgrade DVD and follow the instructions on screen for upgrading. There
>> > should not be a need to a clean install if your running Windows XP x86.
>> > --
>> > Andre
>> > Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>> > My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>> > http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>> > "Dell Boy" <Dell Boy@xxxxxxam> wrote in message
>> > news:0B0DE79A-27DF-479C-B2FE-2AEBE45CD9C4@xxxxxx
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I'm intending to do a clean install of Windows Home Premium from an
>> > > Express
>> > > Upgrade disk and wondered if anyone has done this before and can give me
>> > > some
>> > > tips.
>> > >
>> > > I've researched on the web and it looks as if when carrying out a clean
>> > > install from an upgrade disc you have to install the upgrade then upgrade
>> > > the
>> > > upgrade. I therefore intend to do the following:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Boot to the upgrade disc, reformat C: and load the upgrade.
>> > > 2. Install the chipset.
>> > > 3. Put the upgrade disc in and upgrade the upgrade.
>> > > 4. Load chipset, drivers, etc.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-15-2008   #17 (permalink)
David Shen [MSFT]


 
 

RE: Clean Install From Express Upgrade Disc

Hello Dell Boy,

Thank you for using newsgroup.

According your description, the issue seems to have been resolved.

As you said, some hardware drive of Windows XP may not compatible with
Windows Vista, so clean install is a better option. Thanks Mick for
knowledge sharing.

Reference:
=========

How to install Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918884

If you have any other question, please feel free to post here. Hope you
enjoy Windows Vista.

Thanks for your time.

David Shen
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Microsoft Global Technology Support Center

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