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| | Another slow file transfer question (Vista) Hi I have a number of Vista Business machines that are suffering from some performance problems whilst transferring large files over a network. By testing different combinations of hardware and OS I can see that something in Vista is throttling the network bandwith. My questions are what is throttling the network and how do I turn it off? My setup is as follows... I have a 100Mbit network wth several client computers, a single server and a router connected. The server and clients are on different VLANs and the router is used to allow communication between the clients and server (router on a stick configuration). The client computers run Windows XP Professional SP2 or Windows Vista Business RTM. The client hardware is a mix of HP, Sony and Dell. The server is HP & the router is Cisco. I have a large file (>1Gb) stored on the file server that I am using to test network performance. The file is made available via a standard file share and accessed from the clients using a UNC path. All copy operations are performed using "xcopy" from the Command Prompt. I am using the Task Manager Network tab to guage the network performance. On Windows XP, when I copy the file from the server I see a constant throughput of around 80Mbps. As soon as I issue the xcopy command, the throughput shoots up and stays pinned at around 80Mbps until the copy completed. On Windows Vista, when I copy the file from the server I initially see throughput of around 80Mbps but after a second or so this drops down to around 5Mbps and then remains at that level until the copy is completed. I've tried the copy in various different configurations...: Domain member and non member computers (this I beleive eliminates any possible Group Policy based QoS setting) Fresh Vista install vs Manufacturer Vista install Desktop vs Laptop ....all of which produce the same results. I've tried the following fixes to no effect: Disabling Windows Audio & Multimedia Class Scheduler services Disabling TCP Receive Window auto-tuning Disabling Remove Differential Compression Application of Hotfix KB931770 Manually configured Maximum Throughput for inbound TCP under Advanced QoS Settings in the local computer policy. Shutting down every service that was essential to the operation of the machine Something which may not be important but I think is worth mentioning is that whatever causes the slow performance also seems to block the process that is doing the copy. For example, in XP once I start the copy I can abort it immediately at any time by pressing CTRL-C. In Vista however I have to press CTRL-C many many times before I can kill the copy process. If anyone can help me troubleshoot this further or can point me in the direction of a fix I'd me very grateful. For a business where transferring large files around is an everyday task this issue is a major roadblock to full Vista rollout. Thanks for reading this long post! Mark |
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| | RE: Another slow file transfer question (Vista) I believe I found your answer. "Long wire to router" Vista is using 'IPv6" and 'tunneling'. The length of the wire used to attach the machine to the router seems to effect the packet success. When you open the router configuration software, you are probably going to see some degradation in load time for that page. When you open the Local Area Connection icon''s Properties, at the top should be : "IPv4 Internet" and "IPv6 Limited" I am using Vista Business on a new Dell Vostro 200. The same wired connection on another XP machine runs quite well. I'm sorry to say I haven't found a solution. A 'short wire' to the router and the very same long wire then connected from router to the Internet modem seems to run fine. If you find some workaround for this "IPv6 Limited" error, please let me know. -- Was this helpful? Then click the "Yes" button below. Voting helps the web interface. http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales....htm#RateAPost Mark L. Ferguson "Mark" wrote: Quote: > Hi > I have a number of Vista Business machines that are suffering from some > performance problems whilst transferring large files over a > > network. By testing different combinations of hardware and OS I can see > that something in Vista is throttling the network bandwith. My questions are > what is throttling the network and how do I turn it off? > > My setup is as follows... > > I have a 100Mbit network wth several client computers, a single server and a > router connected. > The server and clients are on different VLANs and the router is used to > allow communication between the clients and server (router on a > > stick configuration). > The client computers run Windows XP Professional SP2 or Windows Vista > Business RTM. > The client hardware is a mix of HP, Sony and Dell. > The server is HP & the router is Cisco. > I have a large file (>1Gb) stored on the file server that I am using to test > network performance. The file is made available via a > > standard file share and accessed from the clients using a UNC path. > All copy operations are performed using "xcopy" from the Command Prompt. > I am using the Task Manager Network tab to guage the network performance. > > On Windows XP, when I copy the file from the server I see a constant > throughput of around 80Mbps. As soon as I issue the xcopy command, > > the throughput shoots up and stays pinned at around 80Mbps until the copy > completed. > > On Windows Vista, when I copy the file from the server I initially see > throughput of around 80Mbps but after a second or so this drops > > down to around 5Mbps and then remains at that level until the copy is > completed. > > I've tried the copy in various different configurations...: > > Domain member and non member computers (this I beleive eliminates any > possible Group Policy based QoS setting) > Fresh Vista install vs Manufacturer Vista install > Desktop vs Laptop > > ...all of which produce the same results. > > I've tried the following fixes to no effect: > Disabling Windows Audio & Multimedia Class Scheduler services > Disabling TCP Receive Window auto-tuning > Disabling Remove Differential Compression > Application of Hotfix KB931770 > Manually configured Maximum Throughput for inbound TCP under Advanced QoS > Settings in the local computer policy. > Shutting down every service that was essential to the operation of the machine > > Something which may not be important but I think is worth mentioning is that > whatever causes the slow performance also seems to block the > > process that is doing the copy. For example, in XP once I start the copy I > can abort it immediately at any time by pressing CTRL-C. In > > Vista however I have to press CTRL-C many many times before I can kill the > copy process. > > If anyone can help me troubleshoot this further or can point me in the > direction of a fix I'd me very grateful. For a business where transferring > large files around is an everyday task this issue is a major roadblock to > full Vista rollout. > > Thanks for reading this long post! > Mark |
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| | RE: Another slow file transfer question (Vista) Use the Properties of the network adapter in device manager to set the speed tab to 'half-duplex'. -- Was this helpful? Then click the Ratings button. Voting helps the web interface. http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales....htm#RateAPost Mark L. Ferguson "Mark L. Ferguson" wrote: Quote: > I believe I found your answer. "Long wire to router" > Vista is using 'IPv6" and 'tunneling'. The length of the wire used to attach > the machine to the router seems to effect the packet success. When you open > the router configuration software, you are probably going to see some > degradation in load time for that page. > When you open the Local Area Connection icon''s Properties, at the top > should be : > "IPv4 Internet" > and > "IPv6 Limited" > > I am using Vista Business on a new Dell Vostro 200. The same wired > connection on another XP machine runs quite well. I'm sorry to say I haven't > found a solution. A 'short wire' to the router and the very same long wire > then connected from router to the Internet modem seems to run fine. If you > find some workaround for this "IPv6 Limited" error, please let me know. > -- > Was this helpful? Then click the "Yes" button below. Voting helps the web > interface. http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales....htm#RateAPost > > Mark L. Ferguson > > > "Mark" wrote: > Quote: > > Hi > > I have a number of Vista Business machines that are suffering from some > > performance problems whilst transferring large files over a > > > > network. By testing different combinations of hardware and OS I can see > > that something in Vista is throttling the network bandwith. My questions are > > what is throttling the network and how do I turn it off? > > > > My setup is as follows... > > > > I have a 100Mbit network wth several client computers, a single server and a > > router connected. > > The server and clients are on different VLANs and the router is used to > > allow communication between the clients and server (router on a > > > > stick configuration). > > The client computers run Windows XP Professional SP2 or Windows Vista > > Business RTM. > > The client hardware is a mix of HP, Sony and Dell. > > The server is HP & the router is Cisco. > > I have a large file (>1Gb) stored on the file server that I am using to test > > network performance. The file is made available via a > > > > standard file share and accessed from the clients using a UNC path. > > All copy operations are performed using "xcopy" from the Command Prompt. > > I am using the Task Manager Network tab to guage the network performance. > > > > On Windows XP, when I copy the file from the server I see a constant > > throughput of around 80Mbps. As soon as I issue the xcopy command, > > > > the throughput shoots up and stays pinned at around 80Mbps until the copy > > completed. > > > > On Windows Vista, when I copy the file from the server I initially see > > throughput of around 80Mbps but after a second or so this drops > > > > down to around 5Mbps and then remains at that level until the copy is > > completed. > > > > I've tried the copy in various different configurations...: > > > > Domain member and non member computers (this I beleive eliminates any > > possible Group Policy based QoS setting) > > Fresh Vista install vs Manufacturer Vista install > > Desktop vs Laptop > > > > ...all of which produce the same results. > > > > I've tried the following fixes to no effect: > > Disabling Windows Audio & Multimedia Class Scheduler services > > Disabling TCP Receive Window auto-tuning > > Disabling Remove Differential Compression > > Application of Hotfix KB931770 > > Manually configured Maximum Throughput for inbound TCP under Advanced QoS > > Settings in the local computer policy. > > Shutting down every service that was essential to the operation of the machine > > > > Something which may not be important but I think is worth mentioning is that > > whatever causes the slow performance also seems to block the > > > > process that is doing the copy. For example, in XP once I start the copy I > > can abort it immediately at any time by pressing CTRL-C. In > > > > Vista however I have to press CTRL-C many many times before I can kill the > > copy process. > > > > If anyone can help me troubleshoot this further or can point me in the > > direction of a fix I'd me very grateful. For a business where transferring > > large files around is an everyday task this issue is a major roadblock to > > full Vista rollout. > > > > Thanks for reading this long post! > > Mark |
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| vista business 32bit | Re: Another slow file transfer question (Vista) And this really drives me mad. Vista is supposed to be better and faster than Xp, yeah yeah. Transferring large files from one computer to another is something I have to do daily and thanks to Vista my new Vaio is having a much much worse performance than my old XP installed Thinkpad. Transferring 24 GB in 55 min! Damn damn damn!! Last edited by aaalp; 04-28-2008 at 06:26 AM.. Reason: added my frustration to my post |
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| | Re: Another slow file transfer question (Vista) Thanks. All I know about it so far is that reinstalling a driver, like usb, or ethernet, or changing speed settings on those devices, seems to 'reconnect' my system, to allow better speeds. I'm sure it's a driver problem, and I'm checking my OEM site regularly to look for an upgrade. I'll follow up here if I get anything better. -- Was this helpful? Then click the Ratings button. Voting helps the web interface. http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales...eAPostAsAnswer Mark L. Ferguson .. "aaalp" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message news:e96636c5a01806aa335832ef19a6684a@xxxxxx-gateway.com... Quote: > > Mark L. Ferguson;600219 Wrote: Quote: >> Use the Properties of the network adapter in device manager to set the >> speed >> tab to 'half-duplex'. >> -- >> > to 100 MPS half-duplex didn't help. Transfer speed can't get over 6.5 > MB/sec. I got the remote differential compression set to off also. > > > -- > aaalp |
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