Vista - Fix for long, long, long deleting and copying of files?

02-09-2008

"philo" <philo@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> According to that article...Vista uses an improved "copy" algorithm as
> compared to XP...
> it's just slower

Well actually copying files between machines on my local network here is
much faster than with Server 2003 or XP. Windows Vista uses around 99% of
network bandwidth, previously it would only ever manage to get up to about
70 or 80%.

I suspect if I had a gigabit switch it would be even faster.

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Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
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02-09-2008

"Hope" <Hope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Paul, take a look at this article from your own countrymen before you say
> disparagingly that what I say "doesn't even make sense":
> wwwdottheregisterdotcodotuk/2007/05/15/vistas_long_goodbye_continues/

The Register? How about quoting a technical source. Honestly why would
Windows Vista do all this DRM stuff when deleting files?

You don't see the system falling to its knees when moving or deleting iTunes
songs do you, if you want to look at DRM take a look at that. The player
always is what implements DRM, to explorer a file is just a file.

Even then the DRM stigma around Windows Vista is almost entirely FUD
invented by some guy called Gutmman which I debunked over a year ago.

http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/2006/1...a_drm_nonsense
http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/2007/0...m_claims_again

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Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
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02-09-2008

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 14:26:39 -0000, "Paul Smith"
<Paul@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>"Hope" <Hope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:A490956F-7DFC-4705-BA0D-16B373956AEB@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Will there EVER be a fix for this in Vista??? There have been complaints
>> since the betas about this.

>
>Disk performance is noticeably improved in SP1.
>

Quote:

>> The scuttlebutt on the internet is that each individual file is being
>> checked for DRM; is this true??

>
>Checked for DRM? That doesn't even make sense.
>

Quote:

>> If so, why is Microsoft POLICEMAN of the
>> world?? The people interested in DRMing their wares should police this
>> themselves, no? Am I wrong here?

>
>Irrelevant as built on a false premise.
>

Quote:

>> and the irritating UAC which I got rid of within a week.

>
>I hope for you sake you didn't. That's the one feature people like me have
>been demanding since the move to NT.

There is a lot about Vista that does not make sense.

02-10-2008

Philo,
Isn't the first thing checked by the police on computers deleted files?
Especially if some notice has been given to the perp. It would not surprise
me if the greedy Hollywood DRM crowd had Microsoft put a feature in Vista to
make it easier to catch their "perps". So maybe this is not such a far
fetched idea after all. At any rate, I would not dismiss it out of hand
especially if Microsoft wanted to curry favor with the Hollywood people to
make lucrative deals for themselves as far as offering movies or music
through Media Player.

Let's hear an explanation from Microsoft about what the cause of this
problem is and then the rumors will go away.
OR they can make the problem go away through a fix...some say the upcoming
sp1 does NOT fix it.

"philo" wrote:

Quote:

>
> "Hope" <Hope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:A490956F-7DFC-4705-BA0D-16B373956AEB@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > Will there EVER be a fix for this in Vista??? There have been complaints
> > since the betas about this.
> > I spent 2 afternoons trying to delete Opera cache files which had been
> > backed up to a USB drive. They totaled over 1 GB and thousands and

> thousands

Quote:

> > of individual files. I had to take 18 files at a time and delete them
> > otherwise the computer seized up (I let it run for 45 minutes one time and

> so

Quote:

> > had to resort to this method to get the job done). Next time I'll use a
> > suggestion I found on the 'Net....use Dos to delete or copy large files.
> > Since the first time I booted up Vista, I have been annoyed at how long

> it

Quote:

> > takes to COPY files or DELETE files. What is going on here? This is

> slower

Quote:

> > than Windows 3.1 - how is this possible??
> > The scuttlebutt on the internet is that each individual file is being
> > checked for DRM; is this true?? If so, why is Microsoft POLICEMAN of

> the

Quote:

> > world?? The people interested in DRMing their wares should police this
> > themselves, no? Am I wrong here?
> > I like Vista EXCEPT for this problem, the "not responding" message which
> > appears when the software really IS responding, the horrible search

> feature

Quote:

> > (I use a free utility called "Cathy" so that I can just take a few SECONDS

> to

Quote:

> > scan my hard drives, CD's, external drives when I want to and retrieve
> > ANYTHING far faster than the Vista search which makes you sit there for

> half

Quote:

> > an hour waiting for a green bar to fill in.) and the irritating UAC which

> I

Quote:

> > got rid of within a week.
> > Isn't it time Microsoft fixed this?

>
>
> It would be totally illogical for the OS to have to check DRM for a file
> being *deleted*...
> but of course...what does logic have to do with anything.
>
> I think SP1 has now come out of testing...
> so the problem may now be solved.
>
> OTOH: I've seen a few posts that SP1 breaks some drivers
>
>
>

02-10-2008

"Hope" <Hope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:3B8D9619-F369-4C49-AA42-4D8AB4EF9417@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Philo,
> Isn't the first thing checked by the police on computers deleted files?
> Especially if some notice has been given to the perp. It would not

surprise

Quote:

> me if the greedy Hollywood DRM crowd had Microsoft put a feature in Vista

to

Quote:

> make it easier to catch their "perps". So maybe this is not such a far
> fetched idea after all. At any rate, I would not dismiss it out of hand
> especially if Microsoft wanted to curry favor with the Hollywood people to
> make lucrative deals for themselves as far as offering movies or music
> through Media Player.
>
> Let's hear an explanation from Microsoft about what the cause of this
> problem is and then the rumors will go away.
> OR they can make the problem go away through a fix...some say the upcoming
> sp1 does NOT fix it.
>
>

<snip>

One thing about Vista is that the folders keep former versions.
If you delete a file that is within a restore point (and not in the recycle
bin)
one can right click on the folder and restore the file..

That's good in one way...as a lot of people delete stuff by accident...
but from a security stand point that could be dangerous.

However much I am in favor of protecting privacy...
I cannot say I have any sypathy for protecting "perps"

02-09-2008	#11 (permalink)
Paul Smith n/a posts	Re: Fix for long, long, long deleting and copying of files? "philo" <philo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:us1cHtyaIHA.3572@xxxxxx Quote: > According to that article...Vista uses an improved "copy" algorithm as > compared to XP... > it's just slower Well actually copying files between machines on my local network here is much faster than with Server 2003 or XP. Windows Vista uses around 99% of network bandwidth, previously it would only ever manage to get up to about 70 or 80%. I suspect if I had a gigabit switch it would be even faster. -- Paul Smith, Yeovil, UK. Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User. http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/ http://www.windowsresource.net/ Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail
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02-09-2008	#12 (permalink)
Paul Smith n/a posts	Re: Fix for long, long, long deleting and copying of files? "Hope" <Hope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:4AAB5F9A-C228-4C46-898C-916E2FD030CA@xxxxxx Quote: > Paul, take a look at this article from your own countrymen before you say > disparagingly that what I say "doesn't even make sense": > wwwdottheregisterdotcodotuk/2007/05/15/vistas_long_goodbye_continues/ The Register? How about quoting a technical source. Honestly why would Windows Vista do all this DRM stuff when deleting files? You don't see the system falling to its knees when moving or deleting iTunes songs do you, if you want to look at DRM take a look at that. The player always is what implements DRM, to explorer a file is just a file. Even then the DRM stigma around Windows Vista is almost entirely FUD invented by some guy called Gutmman which I debunked over a year ago. http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/2006/1...a_drm_nonsense http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/2007/0...m_claims_again -- Paul Smith, Yeovil, UK. Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User. http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/ http://www.windowsresource.net/ Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail
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02-09-2008	#13 (permalink)
thetruthhurts @homail.com n/a posts	Re: Fix for long, long, long deleting and copying of files? On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 14:26:39 -0000, "Paul Smith" <Paul@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >"Hope" <Hope@xxxxxx> wrote in message >news:A490956F-7DFC-4705-BA0D-16B373956AEB@xxxxxx Quote: >> Will there EVER be a fix for this in Vista??? There have been complaints >> since the betas about this. > >Disk performance is noticeably improved in SP1. > Quote: >> The scuttlebutt on the internet is that each individual file is being >> checked for DRM; is this true?? > >Checked for DRM? That doesn't even make sense. > Quote: >> If so, why is Microsoft POLICEMAN of the >> world?? The people interested in DRMing their wares should police this >> themselves, no? Am I wrong here? > >Irrelevant as built on a false premise. > Quote: >> and the irritating UAC which I got rid of within a week. > >I hope for you sake you didn't. That's the one feature people like me have >been demanding since the move to NT. There is a lot about Vista that does not make sense.
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02-10-2008	#14 (permalink)
Hope n/a posts	Re: Fix for long, long, long deleting and copying of files? Philo, Isn't the first thing checked by the police on computers deleted files? Especially if some notice has been given to the perp. It would not surprise me if the greedy Hollywood DRM crowd had Microsoft put a feature in Vista to make it easier to catch their "perps". So maybe this is not such a far fetched idea after all. At any rate, I would not dismiss it out of hand especially if Microsoft wanted to curry favor with the Hollywood people to make lucrative deals for themselves as far as offering movies or music through Media Player. Let's hear an explanation from Microsoft about what the cause of this problem is and then the rumors will go away. OR they can make the problem go away through a fix...some say the upcoming sp1 does NOT fix it. "philo" wrote: Quote: > > "Hope" <Hope@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:A490956F-7DFC-4705-BA0D-16B373956AEB@xxxxxx Quote: > > Will there EVER be a fix for this in Vista??? There have been complaints > > since the betas about this. > > I spent 2 afternoons trying to delete Opera cache files which had been > > backed up to a USB drive. They totaled over 1 GB and thousands and > thousands Quote: > > of individual files. I had to take 18 files at a time and delete them > > otherwise the computer seized up (I let it run for 45 minutes one time and > so Quote: > > had to resort to this method to get the job done). Next time I'll use a > > suggestion I found on the 'Net....use Dos to delete or copy large files. > > Since the first time I booted up Vista, I have been annoyed at how long > it Quote: > > takes to COPY files or DELETE files. What is going on here? This is > slower Quote: > > than Windows 3.1 - how is this possible?? > > The scuttlebutt on the internet is that each individual file is being > > checked for DRM; is this true?? If so, why is Microsoft POLICEMAN of > the Quote: > > world?? The people interested in DRMing their wares should police this > > themselves, no? Am I wrong here? > > I like Vista EXCEPT for this problem, the "not responding" message which > > appears when the software really IS responding, the horrible search > feature Quote: > > (I use a free utility called "Cathy" so that I can just take a few SECONDS > to Quote: > > scan my hard drives, CD's, external drives when I want to and retrieve > > ANYTHING far faster than the Vista search which makes you sit there for > half Quote: > > an hour waiting for a green bar to fill in.) and the irritating UAC which > I Quote: > > got rid of within a week. > > Isn't it time Microsoft fixed this? > > > It would be totally illogical for the OS to have to check DRM for a file > being deleted... > but of course...what does logic have to do with anything. > > I think SP1 has now come out of testing... > so the problem may now be solved. > > OTOH: I've seen a few posts that SP1 breaks some drivers > > >
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02-10-2008	#15 (permalink)
philo n/a posts	Re: Fix for long, long, long deleting and copying of files? "Hope" <Hope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:3B8D9619-F369-4C49-AA42-4D8AB4EF9417@xxxxxx Quote: > Philo, > Isn't the first thing checked by the police on computers deleted files? > Especially if some notice has been given to the perp. It would not surprise Quote: > me if the greedy Hollywood DRM crowd had Microsoft put a feature in Vista to Quote: > make it easier to catch their "perps". So maybe this is not such a far > fetched idea after all. At any rate, I would not dismiss it out of hand > especially if Microsoft wanted to curry favor with the Hollywood people to > make lucrative deals for themselves as far as offering movies or music > through Media Player. > > Let's hear an explanation from Microsoft about what the cause of this > problem is and then the rumors will go away. > OR they can make the problem go away through a fix...some say the upcoming > sp1 does NOT fix it. > > <snip> One thing about Vista is that the folders keep former versions. If you delete a file that is within a restore point (and not in the recycle bin) one can right click on the folder and restore the file.. That's good in one way...as a lot of people delete stuff by accident... but from a security stand point that could be dangerous. However much I am in favor of protecting privacy... I cannot say I have any sypathy for protecting "perps"
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