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| | XP or Vista All my programs are starting to screw up (PC with Win 98, OE6, IE6). I have little confidence in my ability to trouble shoot (my PhD is not in computers), so I may just buy a new computer. I have XP on my other computer (although the hard drive did crash once), and have heard that Vista has too many bugs. Where can I get an unbiased review? (I only need minimal configuration, for internet, and no network. My other computer is the workhorse.) -- - Alan Justice |
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| | Re: XP or Vista Either would be fine for your needs. Sounds like you've a number of legacy programs, so probably XP would be more appropriate. SteveT |
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| | Re: XP or Vista "Alan Justice" <spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e3zm9qNbIHA.484@xxxxxx Quote: > All my programs are starting to screw up (PC with Win 98, OE6, IE6). I > have > little confidence in my ability to trouble shoot (my PhD is not in > computers), so I may just buy a new computer. I have XP on my other > computer (although the hard drive did crash once), and have heard that > Vista > has too many bugs. Where can I get an unbiased review? (I only need > minimal configuration, for internet, and no network. My other computer is > the workhorse.) > > -- > - Alan Justice > > If you can hold off until some time in March, you will then be able to buy a computer which has Vista SP1 pre-installed. Ensure that you do actually get Vista SP1. Vista has come a long way since the early days, and the SP1 update takes Vista to a new level (higher). What you might want to do in the meantime is check that all of your external devices and programs are Vista compatible. This requires donkey work, going from one manufacturer/author website to another.. -- Mike Hall - MVP http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx |
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| | Re: XP or Vista If you're buying a PC with a preinstalled operating system you probably won't have much choice - it'll likely be Vista. Either should suit your needs. Vista took a bit of getting used to for me, but since you're coming from Win98 the same will probably apply to either of them for you. XP is no more buggy than any other OS (cue the hail of Linux supporters but you did ask for an UNBIASED opinion). If it's a choice of XP or Vista, and you're going to buy one of those separately and install it on a fresh machine yourself, Vista will almost certainly be cheaper. Do check for compatibility with all your old software before buying. Vista is notoriously incompatible in this regard. It doesn't even fully support Office 2000, and that's a (albeit obsolescent) Microsoft product. Both versions include a compatibility wizard for older programs, and quite often running a program in Windows 98 mode will solve any problems you may have. If in doubt, XP might be the safer option here but bear in mind it too is eventually going to become obsolete. "Alan Justice" <spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e3zm9qNbIHA.484@xxxxxx Quote: > All my programs are starting to screw up (PC with Win 98, OE6, IE6). I > have > little confidence in my ability to trouble shoot (my PhD is not in > computers), so I may just buy a new computer. I have XP on my other > computer (although the hard drive did crash once), and have heard that > Vista > has too many bugs. Where can I get an unbiased review? (I only need > minimal configuration, for internet, and no network. My other computer is > the workhorse.) > > -- > - Alan Justice > > |
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| | Re: XP or Vista Previously Tiberius wrote: Quote: > Hello.. you will get the best unbiased view from me. > > Listen Vista indeed was terrible before SP1... I was the biggest vista > basher of the galaxy! > It was slow, unstable and well the total experience was not good. > > But now I got my hands on SP1 (service pack 1) and I have installed > vista and I can say that > its a nice experience... It works only slightly slower than XP now... > but apart from that its ok. > > What you will have to know before you decide to get Vista: > > 1) I would suggest you reasearch and get Vista Ultimate or buisness from > a seller that gives DEGRADE rights from Vista to XP. > What is this? Well if you get one of the versions I mentioned above, > then you also have the right to install XP for free. > This gives you much flexibility. > > 2) Check and reasearch if the printers or scanners or other peripherals > you may want to use from the OLD system have drivers for Vista, > or if the XP ones work with Vista, or if vista has built in drivers for > these > > 3) Have in mind that you will probably lose some time (and money) if you > have old versions of programs that will not work well with vista. > > And most of all you will get a computer that has vista WITH SP1!!!! > Without SP1 Vista is horrible! > > I hope this helps a bit, and if you need any clarification ask and I > will help you. > > > > "Alan Justice" <spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:e3zm9qNbIHA.484@xxxxxx Quote: >> All my programs are starting to screw up (PC with Win 98, OE6, IE6). >> I have >> little confidence in my ability to trouble shoot (my PhD is not in >> computers), so I may just buy a new computer. I have XP on my other >> computer (although the hard drive did crash once), and have heard that >> Vista >> has too many bugs. Where can I get an unbiased review? (I only need >> minimal configuration, for internet, and no network. My other >> computer is >> the workhorse.) >> >> -- >> - Alan Justice >> >> problems with my existing software that I had installed on my (now) dead XP Pro laptop. I put Office 2003 Pro and most programs work except when saving files to a different directory than the default causes a 30 second delay that seems like everything is locked up. Then it frees up and the directory will change. I am still trying to figure out where my outbox emails go when I send email from Outlook. I spent a day and a half trying to get Motorola Phone Tools installed only to give up and go to my XP Pro desktop. I had to buy a new antivirus because the Norton V10.2 would not run on Vista, I needed Norton 10.4 and it was a cost to upgrade. I would be happy to go back to XP Pro if I had known about the DEGRADE capability or for that matter is the DEGRADE capability built in and just has to be purchased? Or can I purchase XP Pro and have it install over the top of Vista? Is the SP1 going to have more software compatability than the original or is it more for stability, security and speed? TIA, GWB |
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| | Re: XP or Vista On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:26:13 -0800, Alan Justice wrote: Quote: > All my programs are starting to screw up (PC with Win 98, OE6, IE6). I > have little confidence in my ability to trouble shoot (my PhD is not in > computers), so I may just buy a new computer. I have XP on my other > computer (although the hard drive did crash once), and have heard that > Vista has too many bugs. Where can I get an unbiased review? (I only > need minimal configuration, for internet, and no network. My other > computer is the workhorse.) might be better to do xp. DELL, for one, offers computers with xp installed instead of vista. It will require some looking to find computers with xp or another alternative instead of vista, but they exist - it's up to you whether it's worth the bother. |
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| | Re: XP or Vista "George W. Barrowcliff" <george.barrowcliff@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uqG5yCObIHA.208@xxxxxx Quote: > I would be happy to go back to XP Pro if I had known about the DEGRADE > capability or for that matter is the DEGRADE capability built in and just has > to be purchased? Or can I purchase XP Pro and have it install over the top of > Vista? provide XP drivers for the computer you bought from them, it will be difficult or impossible for you to run XP on it, even if you purchase XP. |
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| | Re: XP or Vista On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:26:13 -0800, "Alan Justice" <spam@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > All my programs are starting to screw up (PC with Win 98, OE6, IE6). I have > little confidence in my ability to trouble shoot (my PhD is not in > computers), so I may just buy a new computer. Why? It would seem that if "all [your] programs are starting to screw up," worst case, you could solve the problems without any troubleshooting by reinstalling Windows and all your programs. Why do you need a new computer? I'm not trying to talk you out of buying a new computer if that's what you want, but that reason makes no sense to me. Quote: > I have XP on my other > computer (although the hard drive did crash once), and have heard that Vista > has too many bugs. Where can I get an unbiased review? Here's my view: 1. If you're reading about problems *here* for example, in the newsgroups, this is where people come with their problems, not with their successes. You get a very distorted view of what's going on in the real world here; as someone once said, "hang around a transmission shop and you will think that all cars have transmission problems." 2. Most problems, by far, that people report have nothing to do with defects in the software. They result from people's ignorance, from bad or inadequate hardware, from old drivers, from viruses, from spyware, and so on. And except for very rare situations, they always get a fix for their problems, and in most cases, that fix is a very simple one to implement. You may not think my view is unbiased, but I run Vista here and am very happy with it. I have no problems with it at all. I know many others who have experiences similar to mine. Quote: > (I only need > minimal configuration, for internet, and no network. My other computer is > the workhorse.) Then if you get a new computer I see no reason for you not to get Vista. But note two things: 1. make sure you get a powerful enough machine. In particular, I would get 2GB of RAM 2. Vista is different in many ways from XP, and it will undoubtedly take you some time to learn and get accustomed to the differences. That experience can be frustrating at first. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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| | Re: XP or Vista On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:26:13 -0800, "Alan Justice" <spam@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >All my programs are starting to screw up (PC with Win 98, OE6, IE6). I have >little confidence in my ability to trouble shoot (my PhD is not in >computers), so I may just buy a new computer. I have XP on my other >computer (although the hard drive did crash once), and have heard that Vista >has too many bugs. Where can I get an unbiased review? (I only need >minimal configuration, for internet, and no network. My other computer is >the workhorse.) as it has better performance so you won't need to buuy as much hardware. |
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| | Re: XP or Vista All good points. But tell me: To reinstall all the programs, won't I lose what's on the computer now? Not everything is saved in "my documents," so I may not even be able to find it all to back it up. Or will reinstallation leave that all alone? -- - Alan Justice "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:2lf1r3d997obhphg6jev5t26pl4b7m67ct@xxxxxx Quote: > On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:26:13 -0800, "Alan Justice" > <spam@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: > > All my programs are starting to screw up (PC with Win 98, OE6, IE6). I Quote: Quote: > > little confidence in my ability to trouble shoot (my PhD is not in > > computers), so I may just buy a new computer. > > Why? It would seem that if "all [your] programs are starting to screw > up," worst case, you could solve the problems without any > troubleshooting by reinstalling Windows and all your programs. Why do > you need a new computer? > > I'm not trying to talk you out of buying a new computer if that's what > you want, but that reason makes no sense to me. > > > Quote: > > I have XP on my other > > computer (although the hard drive did crash once), and have heard that Quote: Quote: > > has too many bugs. Where can I get an unbiased review? > > Here's my view: > > 1. If you're reading about problems *here* for example, in the > newsgroups, this is where people come with their problems, not with > their successes. You get a very distorted view of what's going on in > the real world here; as someone once said, "hang around a transmission > shop and you will think that all cars have transmission problems." > > 2. Most problems, by far, that people report have nothing to do with > defects in the software. They result from people's ignorance, from bad > or inadequate hardware, from old drivers, from viruses, from spyware, > and so on. And except for very rare situations, they always get a fix > for their problems, and in most cases, that fix is a very simple one > to implement. > > You may not think my view is unbiased, but I run Vista here and am > very happy with it. I have no problems with it at all. I know many > others who have experiences similar to mine. > > Quote: > > (I only need > > minimal configuration, for internet, and no network. My other computer Quote: Quote: > > the workhorse.) > > Then if you get a new computer I see no reason for you not to get > Vista. But note two things: > > 1. make sure you get a powerful enough machine. In particular, I would > get 2GB of RAM > > 2. Vista is different in many ways from XP, and it will undoubtedly > take you some time to learn and get accustomed to the differences. > That experience can be frustrating at first. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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