Vista - Close the Technical Beta, and Ship RC1 Directly to the CPP, MSDN, and Technet Plus.

How will closing the technical beta help? The newest build published on
Connect is 5472 on 7/16/07, just FYI.
--
Robert Firth
http://www.winvistainfo.org


"Kevin Panzke" wrote:

> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship RC1
> Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>

I'm just using Beta 2 because I can't afford a $1000 for MSDN or whatever.
Haven't had any problems with it as described on this and other threads.
I'm even running the Office Beta without any problems (at least Outlook and
Word).

I'm content to wait for the public RC1 before even thinking about upgrading
Vista. My guess is that the release to the public will be the first or
second week of February - as it appears the hackers are creating not only
zero day exploits but minus day exploits. If MS has to hire the best
hackers in world to beat on Vista they are expecting big trouble.


"Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1DFBB54C-59D0-47DC-915F-4F61DB032DF8@microsoft.com...
>I have No Major Issues with Beta 2, Just FYI. I do, however, have 2 Major
>Issues with Build 5472 (File and Printer Sharing Do Not Work on my Home
>Network), Just FYI.
>
> "Jason" <Jay@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:8224F726-F9CE-4A50-A108-3828AE80B261@microsoft.com...
>> Kevin,
>>
>> I think a lot of people would love to get their hands on RC1, even
>> myself. By reading recent sites, 5520 was suppost to be the RC1 build but
>> Microsoft found a couple of major issues so they will not be releasing
>> that build. It will be a newer build. I just want RC1 to be ready for
>> the public because it was a mistake when they released beta 2 with so
>> many issues.
>>
>> "Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3601F77E-B97A-4D98-BC3D-7BC31C2ADF2A@microsoft.com...
>>> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
>>> RC1 Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>>
>

Not on your word, it won't. Why are you posting this here and not sending
directly to MS? None of us can do anything about it.

"Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FEF12AB4-AE28-40D4-A3D0-BB3269D42A12@microsoft.com...
> This way RC1 will still be On-Time (September 7th, 2006), Just FYI.
>
> "Jeff" <jeffwhat45@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e2t%23QbuxGHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Kevin,
>> Good to see some things haven't changed!
>> ROFL-BTW
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3601F77E-B97A-4D98-BC3D-7BC31C2ADF2A@microsoft.com...
>>> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
>>> RC1 Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>>
>

Most builds will fail standards for release outside of MS at this stage.
Builds released to TechBeta and MSDN get much more stringent testing than
the EDW builds.

"Jeff" <jeffwhat45@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e88OemuxGHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Jason,
> Does it occur to to you;as it does me;that;at this late stage of the
> game; that builds shouldn't
> be failing "standards"
>
> Jeff
>
> "Jason" <Jay@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:8224F726-F9CE-4A50-A108-3828AE80B261@microsoft.com...
>> Kevin,
>>
>> I think a lot of people would love to get their hands on RC1, even
>> myself. By reading recent sites, 5520 was suppost to be the RC1 build but
>> Microsoft found a couple of major issues so they will not be releasing
>> that build. It will be a newer build. I just want RC1 to be ready for
>> the public because it was a mistake when they released beta 2 with so
>> many issues.
>>
>> "Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3601F77E-B97A-4D98-BC3D-7BC31C2ADF2A@microsoft.com...
>>> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
>>> RC1 Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>>
>

Then keep on forgetting it. Just FYA.

"Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:15C51489-16D5-4DFD-A25D-51DCC145CE85@microsoft.com...
> Yes, it is the Real Me, I Just Forgot to Include the: Just FYI.
>
> "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsp.teq31rzmj2q9yy@mark-pc...
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:51:02 +0100, Kevin Panzke <kevpan815@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
>>> RC1 Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>>
>> Beware, I don't think this is the real Kevin Panzke, as there is
>> something missing from the end of the meaasge, Just FYI.
>>
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>

I think that you are getting Release Candidate 1 (currently due out on
September 7th, 2006), mixed up with both Release to Manufacturing (currently
scheduled for October 25th, 2006), followed by Release to Microsoft
Partner's (currently scheduled for November 2006), followed by Release to
the General Public (Currently Scheduled for January 2006), Just FYI.

"Marty Felker" <martinfelker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:92575F4F-0ED6-43F0-9D8B-956454B6482F@microsoft.com...
> I'm just using Beta 2 because I can't afford a $1000 for MSDN or
> whatever. Haven't had any problems with it as described on this and other
> threads. I'm even running the Office Beta without any problems (at least
> Outlook and Word).
>
> I'm content to wait for the public RC1 before even thinking about
> upgrading Vista. My guess is that the release to the public will be the
> first or second week of February - as it appears the hackers are creating
> not only zero day exploits but minus day exploits. If MS has to hire the
> best hackers in world to beat on Vista they are expecting big trouble.
>
>
> "Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1DFBB54C-59D0-47DC-915F-4F61DB032DF8@microsoft.com...
>>I have No Major Issues with Beta 2, Just FYI. I do, however, have 2 Major
>>Issues with Build 5472 (File and Printer Sharing Do Not Work on my Home
>>Network), Just FYI.
>>
>> "Jason" <Jay@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:8224F726-F9CE-4A50-A108-3828AE80B261@microsoft.com...
>>> Kevin,
>>>
>>> I think a lot of people would love to get their hands on RC1, even
>>> myself. By reading recent sites, 5520 was suppost to be the RC1 build
>>> but Microsoft found a couple of major issues so they will not be
>>> releasing that build. It will be a newer build. I just want RC1 to be
>>> ready for the public because it was a mistake when they released beta 2
>>> with so many issues.
>>>
>>> "Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3601F77E-B97A-4D98-BC3D-7BC31C2ADF2A@microsoft.com...
>>>> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
>>>> RC1 Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>>>
>>
>

You should see the TB folks are pounding the Connect Vista download site
this week. I was just in a beta chat where several were discussing how they
keep a browser tab open to the page and refresh every few minutes.
Personally, I think they are day early.

"firth" <webmaster@(Ihatespam)winvistainfo.org> wrote in message
news:8F4DB7E1-43F6-4E10-9128-69CA203AE68F@microsoft.com...
> How will closing the technical beta help? The newest build published on
> Connect is 5472 on 7/16/07, just FYI.
> --
> Robert Firth
> http://www.winvistainfo.org
>
>
> "Kevin Panzke" wrote:
>
>> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
>> RC1
>> Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>>

Every build should be released to everyone. This is about sales tools. Beta
2 showed the public how much things need retooling. RC1 which TAP has had a
build of now since August 2 for about 3 weeks will show them the same thing
whatever build they call it.

They know people TBTs, CPP are going to smack 6 more months, it ain't
gettin' it; and
more "Are you kiddin' me?"" will sink in.

MSFT has ya in their hooks Kevin. Anyone's focus should be on two things
that go to lack of the transparency issue Michael wrote on:

1) They block information on what bugs are fixed and bug contexting to the
public. Connect isn't open for this info and it hides a picture of bug
progress.

They are hiding it and they're way the hell too paranoid. These entities
aren't formulae for a new Coke product.

2) Anyone should be focused on their arrogant stance which is "Screw the
quality" we're shipping this in part piece of crap out as fast as we can."
The six weeks delay was not near enough and part of it was due to OEMs'
difficulty getting parts in from places like China and Taiwan.

It is quintissential oxymoron that MSFT is talking up coupons to suck people
into buying pcs before Christmas. Many of them haven't tried Vista so they
don't konw how much work it needs. But many of them will never try that
much of a Windows OS in their lifetimes anyway.

Most people check email, use a little Office and go to a few websites,
google a little and that's the extent of it. MSFT knows this.

CH


"Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3601F77E-B97A-4D98-BC3D-7BC31C2ADF2A@microsoft.com...
> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
> RC1 Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.

There will be some thinking 'thankfully he has given up that annoying
habit'.


"Kevin Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:15C51489-16D5-4DFD-A25D-51DCC145CE85@microsoft.com...
> Yes, it is the Real Me, I Just Forgot to Include the: Just FYI.
>
> "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsp.teq31rzmj2q9yy@mark-pc...
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:51:02 +0100, Kevin Panzke <kevpan815@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
>>> RC1 Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>>
>> Beware, I don't think this is the real Kevin Panzke, as there is
>> something missing from the end of the meaasge, Just FYI.
>>
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>>
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>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.
>> http://www.avast.com
>>
>>
>>
>

"I think they are day early" for what?.


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23Ml2NAwxGHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You should see the TB folks are pounding the Connect Vista download site
> this week. I was just in a beta chat where several were discussing how
> they keep a browser tab open to the page and refresh every few minutes.
> Personally, I think they are day early.
>
> "firth" <webmaster@(Ihatespam)winvistainfo.org> wrote in message
> news:8F4DB7E1-43F6-4E10-9128-69CA203AE68F@microsoft.com...
>> How will closing the technical beta help? The newest build published on
>> Connect is 5472 on 7/16/07, just FYI.
>> --
>> Robert Firth
>> http://www.winvistainfo.org
>>
>>
>> "Kevin Panzke" wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a Suggestion for Microsoft: Close the Technical Beta, and Ship
>>> RC1
>>> Directly to the Customer Preview Program, MSDN and TechNet Plus.
>>>
>
>