Activation

04-10-2008

I have two computers and have just installed Vista Business DVD, the first
computer Activated OK but the other one was refused. How can I Activate both
using the same O.S. and bearing in mind they are at the same address.

Dave.

04-10-2008

It does not matter that the two computers reside at the same physical address.
You'll need to purchase a second Windows Vista license for the second
installation.

Ordering Additional Licenses for Windows Vista:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...e/default.mspx

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance

"vmax" wrote:

	Quote:
	> I have two computers and have just installed Vista Business DVD, the first > computer Activated OK but the other one was refused. How can I Activate both > using the same O.S. and bearing in mind they are at the same address. > > Dave.

04-10-2008

Buy a second license for Vista.

"vmax" <vmax@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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	Quote:
	>I have two computers and have just installed Vista Business DVD, the first > computer Activated OK but the other one was refused. How can I Activate > both > using the same O.S. and bearing in mind they are at the same address. > > Dave.

04-10-2008

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:42:01 -0700, vmax
<vmax@xxxxxx> wrote:

	Quote:
	> I have two computers and have just installed Vista Business DVD, the first > computer Activated OK but the other one was refused. How can I Activate both > using the same O.S. and bearing in mind they are at the same address.

Where they are located is irrelevant. You can not legally do this.

The rule is quite clear. It's one copy (or one license) for each
computer.

There's nothing new here. This is exactly the same rule that's been in
effect on every version of Windows starting with Windows 3.1. The only
thing new, starting with Windows XP, is that there's now an
enforcement mechanism. You've just found the enforcement mechanism.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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04-11-2008

Bruce Chambers wrote:

Quote:

> vmax wrote:

	Quote:
	>> I have two computers and have just installed Vista Business DVD, the >> first computer Activated OK but the other one was refused.

>
>
> Exactly as it should have been.
>
>

	Quote:
	>> How can I Activate both using the same O.S.

>
>
> You can't.
>
>

	Quote:
	>> and bearing in mind they are at the same address. >>

>
>
> Irrelevant.
>
> You need to purchase a separate Vista license for each computer on
> which you install it. (As long as you have multiple identical licenses,
> it doesn't matter if you use the same CD for the installations, as long
> as you use a different license each time.)
>
> Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
> it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S.
> copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not
> technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which it
> is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright law to determine
> final applicability in your locale.) The only way in which WinXP
> licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
> Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism,
> Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more difficult)
> multiple installations using a single license.
>

Let's say, he purchases one disk, and uses a common disk,
but with two "Keys" under the business (or multiple) license
arrangement. The first install is accepted, but the second
refused. What happens then?
Let's face it - the activation and licensing scheme is not
perfect, there are 'gotchas'.

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04-11-2008

Lester Stiefel wrote:

Quote:

> Bruce Chambers wrote:

Quote:

>> vmax wrote:

	Quote:
	>>> I have two computers and have just installed Vista Business DVD, the >>> first computer Activated OK but the other one was refused.

>>
>>
>> Exactly as it should have been.
>>
>>

	Quote:
	>>> How can I Activate both using the same O.S.

>>
>>
>> You can't.
>>
>>

	Quote:
	>>> and bearing in mind they are at the same address. >>> >>>

>>
>> Irrelevant.
>>
>> You need to purchase a separate Vista license for each computer on
>> which you install it. (As long as you have multiple identical
>> licenses, it doesn't matter if you use the same CD for the
>> installations, as long as you use a different license each time.)
>>
>> Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating
>> systems,
>> it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S.
>> copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not
>> technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which
>> it is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright law to
>> determine final applicability in your locale.) The only way in which
>> WinXP licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is
>> that Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft
>> mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more
>> difficult) multiple installations using a single license.
>>

> Let's say, he purchases one disk, and uses a common disk,
> but with two "Keys" under the business (or multiple) license
> arrangement. The first install is accepted, but the second refused. What
> happens then?
> Let's face it - the activation and licensing scheme is not perfect,
> there are 'gotchas'.

Perfect? Not even close.

MS uses PA to take a snapshot of the hardware, so when the hardware
changes enough, PA will castrate your Vista install in 3 days.

The f*#ked up part of it is that MS based this hardware snapshot on
values that can be changed by both firmware and driver updates. So PA
can go off, even if you never actually physically change your hardware.

PA tied to hardware, but it is so dumb, that it can't tell the friggin'
difference between a physical hardware change and a software change.

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Kurt
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"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

04-11-2008

"Lester Stiefel" <les7954@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uv3PQo4mIHA.4076@xxxxxx

	Quote:
	> Let's say, he purchases one disk, and uses a common disk, but with two > "Keys" under the business (or multiple) license arrangement. The first > install is accepted, but the second refused. What happens then?

Then he picks up the phone and activates in that manner. I haven't seen a
legitimate one refused yet. It would be unusual for that to happen though,
unless one of the licenses had been previously activated elsewhere. There is
nothing about installation or activation that comes from the disk used other
than the Product Key needing to match the media type (OEM vs Retail).

	Quote:
	> Let's face it - the activation and licensing scheme is not perfect, there > are 'gotchas'.

Nothing in the world of software licensing is perfect. What's most important
is whether or not there is an alternative method of getting it done when the
intended method doesn't work. Many software vendors make it very difficult
to discern alternatives, if they exist at all.

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My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

04-11-2008

Rick Rogers wrote:

Quote:

> "Lester Stiefel" <les7954@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uv3PQo4mIHA.4076@xxxxxx
>

	Quote:
	>> Let's say, he purchases one disk, and uses a common disk, but with two >> "Keys" under the business (or multiple) license arrangement. The first >> install is accepted, but the second refused. What happens then?

>
> Then he picks up the phone and activates in that manner. I haven't seen
> a legitimate one refused yet. It would be unusual for that to happen
> though, unless one of the licenses had been previously activated
> elsewhere. There is nothing about installation or activation that comes
> from the disk used other than the Product Key needing to match the media
> type (OEM vs Retail).

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

I know I have been hung up on by PA phone reps, and I even know of a
former MSMVP that was hung up on.

Quote:

>

	Quote:
	>> Let's face it - the activation and licensing scheme is not perfect, >> there are 'gotchas'.

>
> Nothing in the world of software licensing is perfect. What's most
> important is whether or not there is an alternative method of getting it
> done when the intended method doesn't work. Many software vendors make
> it very difficult to discern alternatives, if they exist at all.

So that makes it right!

Please Rick, why be an apologist for screwing licensing?

Non-commercial home licenses should be tied to the individual, not some
hardware combination to be determined after purchase. Especially to
hardware values that are changeable by driver and firmware updates.

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Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
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"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

04-11-2008

Bruce Chambers wrote:

Quote:

> Lester Stiefel wrote:

	Quote:
	>> >> >> Let's say, he purchases one disk, and uses a common disk, but with two >> "Keys" under the business (or multiple) license arrangement. The first >> install is accepted, but the second refused. What happens then?

>
>
>
> If he uses two separate legitimate Product Keys, that won't

happen. If

Quote:

> he truly has the correct sort of multiple-use license, it's not at all
> likely to happen.
>
>

	Quote:
	>> Let's face it - the activation and licensing scheme is not perfect, >> there are 'gotchas'. >> >>

> No, no technology is perfect. That's why there's an option to use
> telephone activation. It takes only minutes.

LOL!

How many times have we seen people that didn't even know about the phone
option until told here?

The confusion is purposeful. To confuse people into thinking that they
need to buy an unnecessary license.

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Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

04-13-2008

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:42:01 -0700, vmax
<vmax@xxxxxx> wrote:

	Quote:
	>I have two computers and have just installed Vista Business DVD, the first >computer Activated OK but the other one was refused. How can I Activate both >using the same O.S. and bearing in mind they are at the same address. > >Dave.

I've heard some version of Vista can be installed more than once, but
not Business apparently. Buy another, or run Linux.

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