Vista - Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown

04-16-2008

I have been using Windows Vista Ultimate (Finnish language version) for over
a year without major problems until now.

However, this week I encountered a major problem with Vista: if the Shutdown
sequence does not complete successfully, and the computer has to be manually
powered off, Vista is not able to recover. It will remain on the start up
screen with sliding green bars forever.

I have tried the following:
- boot to safe mode: safe mode works, but normal start-up after that
still hangs
- system restore: system restore works, but even after restoring normal
start-up hangs
- system repair with help of installation DVD: is not able to repair,
reports root cause not determined

The only option has been to reinstall Vista (from safe mode, new install)
and then copy documents etc. from windows.old directory. I have now done
this 3 times, as after the first two installations there was a freeze in the
shutdown and I had to manually power off (there probably was a problem with
installing some of the device drivers after the actual Vista installation,
but I cannot point a single cause, because it happened at different times
during different installations).

My point is that Vista has become too "fragile", with one improper shutdown
messing the system beyond repair. If it was a simple broken device driver
installation, System Restore should be able to restore to a working
configuration.

Has there been a Windows update lately that causes improper shutdown
sequence to completely mess Vista installation? Has anybody had similar
experiences?

Kind regards

Ilkka

04-16-2008

Ilkka Pirskanen wrote:

Quote:

> I have been using Windows Vista Ultimate (Finnish language version) for
> over a year without major problems until now.
>
> However, this week I encountered a major problem with Vista: if the
> Shutdown sequence does not complete successfully, and the computer has to
> be manually powered off, Vista is not able to recover. It will remain on
> the start up screen with sliding green bars forever.
>
> I have tried the following:
> - boot to safe mode: safe mode works, but normal start-up after that
> still hangs
> - system restore: system restore works, but even after restoring normal
> start-up hangs
> - system repair with help of installation DVD: is not able to repair,
> reports root cause not determined
>
> The only option has been to reinstall Vista (from safe mode, new install)
> and then copy documents etc. from windows.old directory. I have now done
> this 3 times, as after the first two installations there was a freeze in
> the shutdown and I had to manually power off (there probably was a problem
> with installing some of the device drivers after the actual Vista
> installation, but I cannot point a single cause, because it happened at
> different times during different installations).
>
> My point is that Vista has become too "fragile", with one improper
> shutdown messing the system beyond repair. If it was a simple broken
> device driver installation, System Restore should be able to restore to a
> working configuration.
>
> Has there been a Windows update lately that causes improper shutdown
> sequence to completely mess Vista installation? Has anybody had similar
> experiences?

From your description of the problem, I would look to failing hardware
rather than software. Start your troubleshooting there.

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...ardware_Tshoot

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
Don't Panic!

04-16-2008

Try booting Vista in it's last known good configuration.
http://www.maximumpcguides.com/windo...en-booting-up/

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"Ilkka Pirskanen" <ilkka.pirskanen@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:76D6BF21-A599-44D2-A180-818D3A0E6089@xxxxxx

Quote:

>I have been using Windows Vista Ultimate (Finnish language version) for
>over a year without major problems until now.
>
> However, this week I encountered a major problem with Vista: if the
> Shutdown sequence does not complete successfully, and the computer has to
> be manually powered off, Vista is not able to recover. It will remain on
> the start up screen with sliding green bars forever.
>
> I have tried the following:
> - boot to safe mode: safe mode works, but normal start-up after that
> still hangs
> - system restore: system restore works, but even after restoring normal
> start-up hangs
> - system repair with help of installation DVD: is not able to repair,
> reports root cause not determined
>
> The only option has been to reinstall Vista (from safe mode, new install)
> and then copy documents etc. from windows.old directory. I have now done
> this 3 times, as after the first two installations there was a freeze in
> the shutdown and I had to manually power off (there probably was a problem
> with installing some of the device drivers after the actual Vista
> installation, but I cannot point a single cause, because it happened at
> different times during different installations).
>
> My point is that Vista has become too "fragile", with one improper
> shutdown messing the system beyond repair. If it was a simple broken
> device driver installation, System Restore should be able to restore to a
> working configuration.
>
> Has there been a Windows update lately that causes improper shutdown
> sequence to completely mess Vista installation? Has anybody had similar
> experiences?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ilkka

04-16-2008

"UnswoleLilDude" <webmaster@xxxxxx> kirjoitti viestissä
news:4291BAFA-D264-4563-AA31-C2EA9FB03E98@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Try booting Vista in it's last known good configuration.
> http://www.maximumpcguides.com/windo...en-booting-up/

I tried that too, but it didn't work.

Ilkka

04-16-2008

"Malke" <malke@xxxxxx> kirjoitti viestissä
news:uNY3IH7nIHA.3892@xxxxxx

Quote:

> From your description of the problem, I would look to failing hardware
> rather than software. Start your troubleshooting there.
>
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...ardware_Tshoot

I agree on that the problem has some similarities with a hardware problem.
But after a clean install everything works perfectly - until for any reason
shutdown process does not complete cleanly.

One time this was caused by having to exit unresponsive installation of a
device driver for Microsoft Fingerprint Reader (keyboard), and the other
time when having to exit unsuccesful installation of Tom Tom HOME (car
navigator software). I suspect that there are minor bugs in these
installation routines that resulted in the end into a stuck shutdown process
and in the end not being able to start Vista in normal mode. The question is
why Vista is not able to recover.

Ilkka

04-16-2008

Ilkka Pirskanen wrote:

Quote:

>
> "Malke" <malke@xxxxxx> kirjoitti viestissä
> news:uNY3IH7nIHA.3892@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> From your description of the problem, I would look to failing hardware
>> rather than software. Start your troubleshooting there.
>>
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...ardware_Tshoot

>
> I agree on that the problem has some similarities with a hardware problem.
> But after a clean install everything works perfectly - until for any
> reason shutdown process does not complete cleanly.
>
> One time this was caused by having to exit unresponsive installation of a
> device driver for Microsoft Fingerprint Reader (keyboard), and the other
> time when having to exit unsuccesful installation of Tom Tom HOME (car
> navigator software). I suspect that there are minor bugs in these
> installation routines that resulted in the end into a stuck shutdown
> process and in the end not being able to start Vista in normal mode. The
> question is why Vista is not able to recover.

If you've already tested the hardware and know - not just guess - that it's
good, particularly the hard drive and the RAM, then I'd have to say that
one or more things you are installing don't play nicely with the operating
system. It could be drivers or other legitimate software. There's no way
for me to know without looking at the machine. But if you keep installing
the same bad stuff, the same symptoms are going to occur.

No operating system will recover from having bad drivers/software installed
except perhaps one of those specialized redundant failsafe systems (and I
don't know this for a fact never having worked with one of those OSs).
Certainly not a consumer-level OS like Windows, OS X, or consumer Linux
distro.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
Don't Panic!

04-16-2008

I have Vista Premium 32 bit. I've learned that patience is important in my
"Shutdown"! It seems like nothing happens for about 3 to 5 minutes....then
it does the shutdown or restart just fine. Probably not your problem, but
maybe it's worth a try. bobg

"Ilkka Pirskanen" <ilkka.pirskanen@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:CE175347-72B1-4F64-ADE9-FE2159040264@xxxxxx

Quote:

>
> "UnswoleLilDude" <webmaster@xxxxxx> kirjoitti viestissä
> news:4291BAFA-D264-4563-AA31-C2EA9FB03E98@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Try booting Vista in it's last known good configuration.
>> http://www.maximumpcguides.com/windo...en-booting-up/

>
> I tried that too, but it didn't work.
>
> Ilkka

04-17-2008

On Apr 16, 2:55*am, "Ilkka Pirskanen" <ilkka.pirska...@xxxxxx>
wrote:

Quote:

> I have been using WindowsVistaUltimate(Finnish language version) for over
> a year without major problems until now.
>
> However, this week I encountered a major problem withVista: if the Shutdown
> sequence does not complete successfully, and the computer has to be manually
> powered off,Vistais not able to recover. It will remain on the start up
> screen with sliding green bars forever.
>
> I have tried the following:
> - * *boot to safe mode: safe mode works, but normal start-up after that
> still hangs
> - * *system restore: system restore works, but even after restoring normal
> start-up hangs
> - * *system repair with help of installation DVD: is not able to repair,
> reports root cause not determined
>
> The only option has been to reinstallVista(from safe mode, new install)
> and then copy documents etc. from windows.old directory. I have now done
> this 3 times, as after the first two installations there was a freeze in the
> shutdown and I had to manually power off (there probably was a problem with
> installing some of the device drivers after the actualVistainstallation,
> but I cannot point a single cause, because it happened at different times
> during different installations).
>
> My point is thatVistahas become too "fragile", with one improper shutdown
> messing the system beyond repair. If it was a simple broken device driver
> installation, System Restore should be able to restore to a working
> configuration.
>
> Has there been a Windows update lately that causes improper shutdown
> sequence to completely messVistainstallation? Has anybody had similar
> experiences?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ilkka

llkka try clearing your CMOS.IT MIGHT WORK. GOOD LUCK.

04-16-2008	#1 (permalink)
Ilkka Pirskanen n/a posts	Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown I have been using Windows Vista Ultimate (Finnish language version) for over a year without major problems until now. However, this week I encountered a major problem with Vista: if the Shutdown sequence does not complete successfully, and the computer has to be manually powered off, Vista is not able to recover. It will remain on the start up screen with sliding green bars forever. I have tried the following: - boot to safe mode: safe mode works, but normal start-up after that still hangs - system restore: system restore works, but even after restoring normal start-up hangs - system repair with help of installation DVD: is not able to repair, reports root cause not determined The only option has been to reinstall Vista (from safe mode, new install) and then copy documents etc. from windows.old directory. I have now done this 3 times, as after the first two installations there was a freeze in the shutdown and I had to manually power off (there probably was a problem with installing some of the device drivers after the actual Vista installation, but I cannot point a single cause, because it happened at different times during different installations). My point is that Vista has become too "fragile", with one improper shutdown messing the system beyond repair. If it was a simple broken device driver installation, System Restore should be able to restore to a working configuration. Has there been a Windows update lately that causes improper shutdown sequence to completely mess Vista installation? Has anybody had similar experiences? Kind regards Ilkka
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04-16-2008	#2 (permalink)
Malke n/a posts	Re: Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown Ilkka Pirskanen wrote: Quote: > I have been using Windows Vista Ultimate (Finnish language version) for > over a year without major problems until now. > > However, this week I encountered a major problem with Vista: if the > Shutdown sequence does not complete successfully, and the computer has to > be manually powered off, Vista is not able to recover. It will remain on > the start up screen with sliding green bars forever. > > I have tried the following: > - boot to safe mode: safe mode works, but normal start-up after that > still hangs > - system restore: system restore works, but even after restoring normal > start-up hangs > - system repair with help of installation DVD: is not able to repair, > reports root cause not determined > > The only option has been to reinstall Vista (from safe mode, new install) > and then copy documents etc. from windows.old directory. I have now done > this 3 times, as after the first two installations there was a freeze in > the shutdown and I had to manually power off (there probably was a problem > with installing some of the device drivers after the actual Vista > installation, but I cannot point a single cause, because it happened at > different times during different installations). > > My point is that Vista has become too "fragile", with one improper > shutdown messing the system beyond repair. If it was a simple broken > device driver installation, System Restore should be able to restore to a > working configuration. > > Has there been a Windows update lately that causes improper shutdown > sequence to completely mess Vista installation? Has anybody had similar > experiences? From your description of the problem, I would look to failing hardware rather than software. Start your troubleshooting there. http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...ardware_Tshoot Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers www.elephantboycomputers.com Don't Panic!
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04-16-2008	#3 (permalink)
UnswoleLilDude n/a posts	Re: Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown Try booting Vista in it's last known good configuration. http://www.maximumpcguides.com/windo...en-booting-up/ -- www.MAXIMUMpcguides.com Help and how-to guides that help you get the most out of your PC. -- "Ilkka Pirskanen" <ilkka.pirskanen@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:76D6BF21-A599-44D2-A180-818D3A0E6089@xxxxxx Quote: >I have been using Windows Vista Ultimate (Finnish language version) for >over a year without major problems until now. > > However, this week I encountered a major problem with Vista: if the > Shutdown sequence does not complete successfully, and the computer has to > be manually powered off, Vista is not able to recover. It will remain on > the start up screen with sliding green bars forever. > > I have tried the following: > - boot to safe mode: safe mode works, but normal start-up after that > still hangs > - system restore: system restore works, but even after restoring normal > start-up hangs > - system repair with help of installation DVD: is not able to repair, > reports root cause not determined > > The only option has been to reinstall Vista (from safe mode, new install) > and then copy documents etc. from windows.old directory. I have now done > this 3 times, as after the first two installations there was a freeze in > the shutdown and I had to manually power off (there probably was a problem > with installing some of the device drivers after the actual Vista > installation, but I cannot point a single cause, because it happened at > different times during different installations). > > My point is that Vista has become too "fragile", with one improper > shutdown messing the system beyond repair. If it was a simple broken > device driver installation, System Restore should be able to restore to a > working configuration. > > Has there been a Windows update lately that causes improper shutdown > sequence to completely mess Vista installation? Has anybody had similar > experiences? > > Kind regards > > Ilkka
My System Specs

04-16-2008	#4 (permalink)
Ilkka Pirskanen n/a posts	Re: Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown "UnswoleLilDude" <webmaster@xxxxxx> kirjoitti viestissä news:4291BAFA-D264-4563-AA31-C2EA9FB03E98@xxxxxx Quote: > Try booting Vista in it's last known good configuration. > http://www.maximumpcguides.com/windo...en-booting-up/ I tried that too, but it didn't work. Ilkka
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04-16-2008	#5 (permalink)
Ilkka Pirskanen n/a posts	Re: Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown "Malke" <malke@xxxxxx> kirjoitti viestissä news:uNY3IH7nIHA.3892@xxxxxx Quote: > From your description of the problem, I would look to failing hardware > rather than software. Start your troubleshooting there. > > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...ardware_Tshoot I agree on that the problem has some similarities with a hardware problem. But after a clean install everything works perfectly - until for any reason shutdown process does not complete cleanly. One time this was caused by having to exit unresponsive installation of a device driver for Microsoft Fingerprint Reader (keyboard), and the other time when having to exit unsuccesful installation of Tom Tom HOME (car navigator software). I suspect that there are minor bugs in these installation routines that resulted in the end into a stuck shutdown process and in the end not being able to start Vista in normal mode. The question is why Vista is not able to recover. Ilkka
My System Specs

04-16-2008	#6 (permalink)
Malke n/a posts	Re: Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown Ilkka Pirskanen wrote: Quote: > > "Malke" <malke@xxxxxx> kirjoitti viestissä > news:uNY3IH7nIHA.3892@xxxxxx Quote: >> From your description of the problem, I would look to failing hardware >> rather than software. Start your troubleshooting there. >> >> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...ardware_Tshoot > > I agree on that the problem has some similarities with a hardware problem. > But after a clean install everything works perfectly - until for any > reason shutdown process does not complete cleanly. > > One time this was caused by having to exit unresponsive installation of a > device driver for Microsoft Fingerprint Reader (keyboard), and the other > time when having to exit unsuccesful installation of Tom Tom HOME (car > navigator software). I suspect that there are minor bugs in these > installation routines that resulted in the end into a stuck shutdown > process and in the end not being able to start Vista in normal mode. The > question is why Vista is not able to recover. If you've already tested the hardware and know - not just guess - that it's good, particularly the hard drive and the RAM, then I'd have to say that one or more things you are installing don't play nicely with the operating system. It could be drivers or other legitimate software. There's no way for me to know without looking at the machine. But if you keep installing the same bad stuff, the same symptoms are going to occur. No operating system will recover from having bad drivers/software installed except perhaps one of those specialized redundant failsafe systems (and I don't know this for a fact never having worked with one of those OSs). Certainly not a consumer-level OS like Windows, OS X, or consumer Linux distro. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers www.elephantboycomputers.com Don't Panic!
My System Specs

04-16-2008	#7 (permalink)
bobg n/a posts	Re: Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown I have Vista Premium 32 bit. I've learned that patience is important in my "Shutdown"! It seems like nothing happens for about 3 to 5 minutes....then it does the shutdown or restart just fine. Probably not your problem, but maybe it's worth a try. bobg "Ilkka Pirskanen" <ilkka.pirskanen@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:CE175347-72B1-4F64-ADE9-FE2159040264@xxxxxx Quote: > > "UnswoleLilDude" <webmaster@xxxxxx> kirjoitti viestissä > news:4291BAFA-D264-4563-AA31-C2EA9FB03E98@xxxxxx Quote: >> Try booting Vista in it's last known good configuration. >> http://www.maximumpcguides.com/windo...en-booting-up/ > > I tried that too, but it didn't work. > > Ilkka
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04-17-2008	#8 (permalink)
burch41 n/a posts	Re: Vista doesn't start after improper shutdown On Apr 16, 2:55am, "Ilkka Pirskanen" <ilkka.pirska...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > I have been using WindowsVistaUltimate(Finnish language version) for over > a year without major problems until now. > > However, this week I encountered a major problem withVista: if the Shutdown > sequence does not complete successfully, and the computer has to be manually > powered off,Vistais not able to recover. It will remain on the start up > screen with sliding green bars forever. > > I have tried the following: > - boot to safe mode: safe mode works, but normal start-up after that > still hangs > - system restore: system restore works, but even after restoring normal > start-up hangs > - *system repair with help of installation DVD: is not able to repair, > reports root cause not determined > > The only option has been to reinstallVista(from safe mode, new install) > and then copy documents etc. from windows.old directory. I have now done > this 3 times, as after the first two installations there was a freeze in the > shutdown and I had to manually power off (there probably was a problem with > installing some of the device drivers after the actualVistainstallation, > but I cannot point a single cause, because it happened at different times > during different installations). > > My point is thatVistahas become too "fragile", with one improper shutdown > messing the system beyond repair. If it was a simple broken device driver > installation, System Restore should be able to restore to a working > configuration. > > Has there been a Windows update lately that causes improper shutdown > sequence to completely messVistainstallation? Has anybody had similar > experiences? > > Kind regards > > Ilkka llkka try clearing your CMOS.IT MIGHT WORK. GOOD LUCK.
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