Vista - 5384 (beta 2) first impressions

Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700
SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one
1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP installed
on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.

Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if it's
native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.

The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing
for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains the
case by the time RTM rolls out.

Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to invoke
them.

The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the
"gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.

Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia
server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me <g>). I
can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible with
5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
should be possible to activate it.

More later on.
--
Pierre Szwarc
Paris, France
PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
------------------------------------------------
Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
------------------------------------------------

I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700
> SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one
> 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP
> installed
> on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.
>
> Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
> hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if
> it's
> native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
>
> The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing
> for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains
> the
> case by the time RTM rolls out.
>
> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
> invoke
> them.
>
> The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
> thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the
> "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
>
> Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia
> server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me <g>).
> I
> can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible
> with
> 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
> should be possible to activate it.
>
> More later on.
> --
> Pierre Szwarc
> Paris, France
> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
> ------------------------------------------------
> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>

Sure it did, didn't it? Certainly did with the leaked Sidebar for XP - the
one that was in 4053.

--
Zack Whittaker
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rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e2NMaYDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> "Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700
>> SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has
>> one
>> 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP
>> installed
>> on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.
>>
>> Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
>> hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if
>> it's
>> native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
>>
>> The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing
>> for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains
>> the
>> case by the time RTM rolls out.
>>
>> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
>> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
>> invoke
>> them.
>>
>> The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
>> thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the
>> "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
>>
>> Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia
>> server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me
>> <g>). I
>> can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible
>> with
>> 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
>> should be possible to activate it.
>>
>> More later on.
>> --
>> Pierre Szwarc
>> Paris, France
>> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

I thought he was referring to beta builds 5112 and up, not the alphas.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eBEYLfDgGHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Sure it did, didn't it? Certainly did with the leaked Sidebar for XP - the
> one that was in 4053.
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
> not
> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
> that up!
>
> --: Original message follows :--
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e2NMaYDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> "Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512)
>>> PC2700
>>> SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has
>>> one
>>> 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP
>>> installed
>>> on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.
>>>
>>> Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
>>> hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if
>>> it's
>>> native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
>>>
>>> The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good
>>> thing
>>> for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains
>>> the
>>> case by the time RTM rolls out.
>>>
>>> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
>>> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
>>> invoke
>>> them.
>>>
>>> The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
>>> thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as
>>> the
>>> "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
>>>
>>> Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia
>>> server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me
>>> <g>). I
>>> can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible
>>> with
>>> 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
>>> should be possible to activate it.
>>>
>>> More later on.
>>> --
>>> Pierre Szwarc
>>> Paris, France
>>> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Press and Release ALT, just like IE 7. You can also permanently display it
by Tools/Options/View, tick Always Show Classic Menus.

--
</Slugsie>
"Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
> invoke
> them.
>

Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock opacity
set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't hovering over
it...

"Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700
> SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has one
> 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP
> installed
> on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.
>
> Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
> hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if
> it's
> native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
>
> The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing
> for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains
> the
> case by the time RTM rolls out.
>
> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
> invoke
> them.
>
> The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
> thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the
> "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
>
> Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia
> server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me <g>).
> I
> can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible
> with
> 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
> should be possible to activate it.
>
> More later on.
> --
> Pierre Szwarc
> Paris, France
> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
> ------------------------------------------------
> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>

In Vista Build 5308, it kind of does have an hide feature but not auto hide
from what I see. When the side bar is open and you right click on a empty
space on it it will give you a menu. One of the choices that you can
select is Hide Sidebar. Granted, to have it show again, you will have to
either double click on the icon in the tray that looks like a white life
saver's candy or right click on it and choose Show Sidebar.

--
Jason
Windows Vista, Build 5308


"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e2NMaYDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I don't remember the Sidebar ever having Auto hide capabilities.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> "Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700
>> SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has
>> one
>> 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP
>> installed
>> on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.
>>
>> Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
>> hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if
>> it's
>> native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
>>
>> The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing
>> for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains
>> the
>> case by the time RTM rolls out.
>>
>> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
>> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
>> invoke
>> them.
>>
>> The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
>> thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the
>> "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
>>
>> Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia
>> server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me
>> <g>). I
>> can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible
>> with
>> 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
>> should be possible to activate it.
>>
>> More later on.
>> --
>> Pierre Szwarc
>> Paris, France
>> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Yeh - this is great for when you disband the Sidebar and have all the
Gadgets running on the desktop - so you can work on Word and have the clock
there but nearly transparent, hover over it and there is the time )

Very cool )

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
"Lang Murphy" <langmurf@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ePsYQvDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock
> opacity set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't
> hovering over it...
>
> "Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512) PC2700
>> SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has
>> one
>> 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP
>> installed
>> on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.
>>
>> Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
>> hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if
>> it's
>> native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
>>
>> The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good thing
>> for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains
>> the
>> case by the time RTM rolls out.
>>
>> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
>> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
>> invoke
>> them.
>>
>> The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
>> thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as the
>> "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
>>
>> Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia
>> server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me
>> <g>). I
>> can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible
>> with
>> 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
>> should be possible to activate it.
>>
>> More later on.
>> --
>> Pierre Szwarc
>> Paris, France
>> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Yeah... if I could only get the Office Beta 2 to install... it's saying I
don't have admin rights, which I do... must've turned on/off the wrong thing
in gpedit... sigh...

"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eWGef%23EgGHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Yeh - this is great for when you disband the Sidebar and have all the
> Gadgets running on the desktop - so you can work on Word and have the
> clock there but nearly transparent, hover over it and there is the time
> )
>
> Very cool )
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
> not
> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
> that up!
>
> --: Original message follows :--
> "Lang Murphy" <langmurf@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:ePsYQvDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock
>> opacity set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't
>> hovering over it...
>>
>> "Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512)
>>> PC2700
>>> SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has
>>> one
>>> 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP
>>> installed
>>> on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.
>>>
>>> Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
>>> hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if
>>> it's
>>> native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
>>>
>>> The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good
>>> thing
>>> for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains
>>> the
>>> case by the time RTM rolls out.
>>>
>>> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
>>> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
>>> invoke
>>> them.
>>>
>>> The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
>>> thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as
>>> the
>>> "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
>>>
>>> Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the multimedia
>>> server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me
>>> <g>). I
>>> can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible
>>> with
>>> 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
>>> should be possible to activate it.
>>>
>>> More later on.
>>> --
>>> Pierre Szwarc
>>> Paris, France
>>> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Ha! Weird! I just added myself to the users group and the Office install
kicked off... ooo-eeeee-ooooo

"Lang Murphy" <langmurf@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ed9vxwGgGHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Yeah... if I could only get the Office Beta 2 to install... it's saying I
> don't have admin rights, which I do... must've turned on/off the wrong
> thing in gpedit... sigh...
>
> "Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:eWGef%23EgGHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Yeh - this is great for when you disband the Sidebar and have all the
>> Gadgets running on the desktop - so you can work on Word and have the
>> clock there but nearly transparent, hover over it and there is the time
>> )
>>
>> Very cool )
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
>> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
>> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
>> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
>> that up!
>>
>> --: Original message follows :--
>> "Lang Murphy" <langmurf@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:ePsYQvDgGHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Have you tried setting the opacity on the gadgets? I have the clock
>>> opacity set to 20% and it becomes transparent when the mouse isn't
>>> hovering over it...
>>>
>>> "Pierre Szwarc" <pierre_szwarc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e%23HhqPDgGHA.452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Test machine is home-built. MSI KT6-Delta motherboard, 1GB (2x512)
>>>> PC2700
>>>> SDRAM, MSI GeForce FX 5200 video card with 128MB RAM. Primary disk has
>>>> one
>>>> 1GB primary partition (boot) and four 30GB logical partitions. XP
>>>> installed
>>>> on 1st logical partition (D, Vista on 2nd one(E.
>>>>
>>>> Beta 2 installs much faster than 5308 (under one hour instead of over 2
>>>> hours). It finds the SATA disk without any problem, but I don't know if
>>>> it's
>>>> native or it got the driver from XP when I started the install.
>>>>
>>>> The numlock state is sticky under the login screen, which is a good
>>>> thing
>>>> for someone using the French keyboard (which I do). I hope this remains
>>>> the
>>>> case by the time RTM rolls out.
>>>>
>>>> Explorer no longer uses up 100% CPU and is now reasonably responsive.
>>>> However, the standard menus have disappeared and I can find no way to
>>>> invoke
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> The Windows sidebar no longer has auto-hide ablility, and this is a bad
>>>> thing if you don't have a 20" or bigger hi-res monitor. Especially as
>>>> the
>>>> "gadgets" don't get transparent when the cursor leaves the sidebar.
>>>>
>>>> Networking works a lot better. The MCE component detected the
>>>> multimedia
>>>> server on my Sony VAIO without any problem (in fact, it surprised me
>>>> <g>). I
>>>> can use Remote Desktop from the VAIO (under XP), which wasn't possible
>>>> with
>>>> 5308. Glass doesn't operate with RD; with a 100Mbps LAN connection, it
>>>> should be possible to activate it.
>>>>
>>>> More later on.
>>>> --
>>>> Pierre Szwarc
>>>> Paris, France
>>>> PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>> Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>