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Old 05-06-2008   #11 (permalink)
Michael John Ruff


 
 

Re: Downgrade from Home Premium to Home Basic?

Hello

You will find that as this is OEM i.e. HP that will only supply a
replacement disk which was originally shipped with the machine, also if in
the future you have a problem then the support line will not help you as
they in this case HP only support what is shipped with the hardware.

Regards
"Clear Windows" <carlferedeck@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:4820954e$1@xxxxxx-privat.org...
Quote:

> Paul the problem is not that you have premium but that your OS is 64 bit
> But you are entitled to get a DVD with the 32 bit version of home premium
> with a small cost of shipping and handling, and you will use the same
> product key
> that you now have.
>
> In other worlds if you have the 32bit you are entitiled to use 64 bit for
> free
> and the opposite.. you DON'T have to buy windows all over again!
>
> so what you will do is format and install the 32 bit version of your
> windows
> after you get the disk.
>
> Its better that you ask HP too or look at their site to see if they offer
> 32
> bit versions of your drivers...
>
> here is a link if you got the 32 bit version and looking for the 64 bit
> one, but I m sure there is a way to do the opposite too
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx
>
>
> Perhaps the OEM in your case HP can supply you with the 32 bit version
> with
> little or no cost
> too..
>
>
>
>
> "Paul" <Paul@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:E3541017-6F63-4335-95BF-A4B6E79E7AA8@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> I require Dragon NaturallySpeaking voice recognition software to be able
>> to
>> use my computer. I've just purchased an HP laptop preloaded with Vista
>> Home
>> Premium, and have discovered, to my horror, that the current version of
>> DNS
>> will not run on a 64-bit operating system. (The next version might, but
>> there's no guarantee.)
>>
>> The Anytime Upgrade pack looks like an ideal stopgap measure, but will it
>> allow me to downgrade from Premium to Basic? I'm sure that isn't what
>> it's
>> designed to do, but does anybody know (for sure) that it will or won't?
>> Will
>> it then, at some point in the future, upgrade me back to Premium?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>>


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Old 05-07-2008   #12 (permalink)
Chin Yang


 
 

Re: Downgrade from Home Premium to Home Basic?

Need no purchase vista again.
Micro soft sell cd replacment media for many years, was free, now pay only
shipping handling. Cost 20 dolla.

Need use google, simple for person with brain, you have not brain.

You stupid, not gone to toilet many years and want be negative of him
getting vista disk.
Or work for micro soft and want make more money for gates.

he can also find disk image from torrent. You big dumbf*ck micro soft worker
stupid wanna make more dolla.

"Mark" <secureourborders@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:#vgUMS8rIHA.3780@xxxxxx
Quote:

> If HP does not cooperate he will need to purchase at least an OEM version
> of Vista 32bit. Microsoft will not give it to him.
>
> Mark
>
> "Clear Windows" <carlferedeck@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:4820d2b4$1@xxxxxx-privat.org...
Quote:

>> The OEM is not forced to give him a 32 bit DVD, BUT
>>
>> his product key will probably work nevertheless.
>>
>> All he has to do is obtain an OEM version of 32 bit vista home premium
>> and make sure HP has the drivers for his model of
>> laptop in 32 bit versions.
>>
>> MS has stated clearly, when you get one version of vista (32 or 64 bit)
>> you actually own both versions, and can install either one without the
>> need to purchase another version from scratch.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark" <secureourborders@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:eiinY$7rIHA.4260@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> He is not "entitled" to a 32bit version. Because it's OEM nobody owes
>>> him anything. Maybe HP will cooperate, but they are obligated to. He may
>>> just have to purchase the 32bit.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> "Clear Windows" <carlferedeck@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:48209505$1@xxxxxx-privat.org...
>>>> Paul the problem is not that you have premium but that your OS is 64
>>>> bit
>>>> But you are entitled to get a DVD with the 32 bit version of home
>>>> premium
>>>> with a small cost of shipping and handling, and you will use the same
>>>> product key
>>>> that you now have.
>>>>
>>>> In other worlds if you have the 32bit you are entitiled to use 64 bit
>>>> for free
>>>> and the opposite.. you DON'T have to buy windows all over again!
>>>>
>>>> so what you will do is format and install the 32 bit version of your
>>>> windows
>>>> after you get the disk.
>>>>
>>>> Its better that you ask HP too or look at their site to see if they
>>>> offer 32
>>>> bit versions of your drivers...
>>>>
>>>> see this link to find more about vista "alternate" media
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the OEM in your case HP can supply you with the 32 bit version
>>>> with
>>>> little or no cost
>>>> too..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul" <Paul@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:E3541017-6F63-4335-95BF-A4B6E79E7AA8@xxxxxx
>>>>> I require Dragon NaturallySpeaking voice recognition software to be
>>>>> able
>>>>> to
>>>>> use my computer. I've just purchased an HP laptop preloaded with
>>>>> Vista
>>>>> Home
>>>>> Premium, and have discovered, to my horror, that the current version
>>>>> of
>>>>> DNS
>>>>> will not run on a 64-bit operating system. (The next version might,
>>>>> but
>>>>> there's no guarantee.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The Anytime Upgrade pack looks like an ideal stopgap measure, but will
>>>>> it
>>>>> allow me to downgrade from Premium to Basic? I'm sure that isn't what
>>>>> it's
>>>>> designed to do, but does anybody know (for sure) that it will or
>>>>> won't?
>>>>> Will
>>>>> it then, at some point in the future, upgrade me back to Premium?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Old 05-08-2008   #13 (permalink)
Donald L McDaniel


 
 

Re: Downgrade from Home Premium to Home Basic?

On Tue, 6 May 2008 08:59:00 -0700, Paul
<Paul@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>I require Dragon NaturallySpeaking voice recognition software to be able to
>use my computer. I've just purchased an HP laptop preloaded with Vista Home
>Premium, and have discovered, to my horror, that the current version of DNS
>will not run on a 64-bit operating system. (The next version might, but
>there's no guarantee.)
>
>The Anytime Upgrade pack looks like an ideal stopgap measure, but will it
>allow me to downgrade from Premium to Basic? I'm sure that isn't what it's
>designed to do, but does anybody know (for sure) that it will or won't? Will
>it then, at some point in the future, upgrade me back to Premium?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
Unfortunately, while Microsoft allows Vista Ultimate and Business
licenses to be downgraded, these rights do not extend to users of Home
Basic, Home Premium, or Home N.

If you already own a license to Home Basic, whether you can do it is
completely moot, since all you would have to do would be to install
Vista Home Basic normally, using the CD key provided with the media.
No magic, no convoluted "methods", or "shortcuts" [which usually turn
out to be the long way around a very small hill], since installation
of Home Basic is straightforward, and easy enough for an elementary
student to do. If you don't already own a license, well, if I'm not
mistaken, copies of Home Basic are less than $100US at the present.

If you are lacking in knowledge about how to do it, there are
thousands of websites which give step-by-step directions. Just enter
"How to install Vista Home Basic" in a Google search bar.

In fact, I just did that, and Google spit out many, many links, but
near the top was this one: http://vistahomebasic.windowsreinstall.com/

It appears to be step-by-step directions to install Vista Home Basic.
Ain't the Internet great?

Keep in mind that you will have to Install Vista Home Basic on a clean
partition, since realistically, one cannot simply install an earlier
OS on top of the latest one. You could do it, of course, but what a
mess it would leave on your HD.

During my surfing this week, I came across this excellent article at
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2292958,00.asp

The author gives some very sage and helpful advice about "downgrading"
from a Premium version of Vista to a Basic version. He even explains
the steps necessary to do the downgrade WITHOUT formatting one's HD.
In my opinion, however, his method is more troublesome than just
installing a copy of one's chosen OS straightforwardly, reinstalling
his applications, and reconfiguring them.



Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================
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Old 05-08-2008   #14 (permalink)
Donald L McDaniel


 
 

Re: Downgrade from Home Premium to Home Basic?

On Tue, 6 May 2008 17:26:26 -0400, "Mark"
<secureourborders@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>He is not "entitled" to a 32bit version. Because it's OEM nobody owes him
>anything. Maybe HP will cooperate, but they are obligated to. He may just
>have to purchase the 32bit.
>
>Mark
Like all other OEMs, HP is only "obligated" to make it possible to
restore one's machine to its original factory state. After that, HP
has no other obligations [OS-wise].

Read the EULA for Windows Vista, especially, Section 10, which refers
specifically to downgrading. The last three sentences spell out the
"obligations" of both OEMs and Microsoft: none, zero, zilch.

However, Microsoft cheerfully states that you may reinstall the OS you
downgraded at any time, with their blessing (provided, of course, that
you uninstall [i.e., "delete"] the OS you downgraded to.)

Additionally, Section 10 limits the right to downgrade to holders of
Business and Ultimate licenses. Very instructive reading, folks.

This means that Microsoft has not extended the right to downgrade to
holders of Home Premium-and-below licenses.

Which puts the quietus on a lot of users out there who wish to
downgrade to XP while keeping their Vista licenses able to be
reinstalled on a second machine (There is so much wrong about that on
so many levels, it's hard to envision in my mind.)

I highly recommend reading the Windows EULA. It's a short read, and
fairly interesting, too. To read your EULA now, enter "winver" in a
"run" command-line. There will be a link at the bottom labeled
"Microsoft Software Licensing Terms".

Quote:

>
>"Clear Windows" <carlferedeck@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:48209505$1@xxxxxx-privat.org...
Quote:

>> Paul the problem is not that you have premium but that your OS is 64 bit
>> But you are entitled to get a DVD with the 32 bit version of home premium
>> with a small cost of shipping and handling, and you will use the same
>> product key
>> that you now have.
>>
>> In other worlds if you have the 32bit you are entitiled to use 64 bit for
>> free
>> and the opposite.. you DON'T have to buy windows all over again!
>>
>> so what you will do is format and install the 32 bit version of your
>> windows
>> after you get the disk.
>>
>> Its better that you ask HP too or look at their site to see if they offer
>> 32
>> bit versions of your drivers...
>>
>> see this link to find more about vista "alternate" media
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx
NOTE that this rather generous offer from Microsoft refers to the
"retail" edition of Vista. I'm fairly certain that this offer does
not extend to holders of OEM licenses. If I am wrong, please correct
me.
Quote:
Quote:

>>
>> Perhaps the OEM in your case HP can supply you with the 32 bit version
>> with
>> little or no cost
>> too..
If you ordered your computer with a pre-installed Vista x64, they are
not obligated to either give or sell you a 32-bit version. Neither is
Microsoft.

All the OEM is obligated to do is provide you with a means of
restoring your OS and HD to its factory state. And once the OEM
transfers a Microsoft license to you, Microsoft has no more
obligations toward you other than those included in the Windows Vista
EULA.

So you should seek recourse from HP first.

IF either HP or Microsoft do provide you with one, consider it a gift,
even if it costs you a few bucks.
Quote:
Quote:

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Paul" <Paul@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:E3541017-6F63-4335-95BF-A4B6E79E7AA8@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> I require Dragon NaturallySpeaking voice recognition software to be able
>>> to
>>> use my computer. I've just purchased an HP laptop preloaded with Vista
>>> Home
>>> Premium, and have discovered, to my horror, that the current version of
>>> DNS
>>> will not run on a 64-bit operating system. (The next version might, but
>>> there's no guarantee.)
>>>
>>> The Anytime Upgrade pack looks like an ideal stopgap measure, but will it
>>> allow me to downgrade from Premium to Basic? I'm sure that isn't what
>>> it's
>>> designed to do, but does anybody know (for sure) that it will or won't?
>>> Will
>>> it then, at some point in the future, upgrade me back to Premium?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>
Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-08-2008   #15 (permalink)
Paul


 
 

RE: Downgrade from Home Premium to Home Basic?

Thanks to all who replied!

HP confirmed that I could indeed clean-install the 32-bit Home Premium
version. Unfortunately, my registered serial number wouldn't allow them to
send a backup disk of anything other than the original, i.e. 64-bit,
operating system. In other words, I'd have to buy it. I briefly considered
purchasing an upgrade to the 32-bit Ultimate version, but then my wife cut
through the entire Gordian knot by insisting I return the machine, eat the
restocking charge, and get another one that will work! :-)

Mark, thanks especially to you for jumping so quickly onto my problem. I
have to say, however, and with all due respect, that using the Vista Speech
Recognition was not a good option for me. I worked with it for almost a week
and made very little progress building a vocabulary. Neither were its
Windows commands all that functional. The differences between Dragon
NaturallySpeaking and the Microsoft product are IMMENSE. I hope and pray
that one day Microsoft *really* addresses itself to the whole subject of
Voice Recognition. Not only for disabled people like myself, but with an eye
toward the future of computing.

Thanks again to all.

Paul
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