Vista - Vista Beta 2 - Grim Assessment

Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is
a huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear
to have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting
the time of the users.
I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to
be another disaster like that of Windows Me.
Robbie

Well, I don't even use it because there is so much noise around me.
Personally, I say its an improvement over XP's which was like a stubborn
child, everytime I spoke to it its like my dictations fell on deaf ears. For
Speech recognition to work good in Vista though, it requires constant
training, so the issues you are experiencing right might be temporary, I
don't see how you could expect it to catch on so quick. How long have you
been using it now?

If its not working for you, stick with Dragon Naturally Speaking.
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"Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is a
> huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear to
> have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting the
> time of the users.
> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to be
> another disaster like that of Windows Me.
> Robbie

It is set to improve - if you keep on with the bugs, being as specific as
you can, they'll try and get them fixed. It's all good and well telling us
here, but if you send in those reports - they can get them fixed and
improved! )

Make it your mission - if you really want the speech to work, be as critical
as you can and let them know every detail possible. Remember, they read
*every single bug* that they recieve )

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"Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:%23o%23ZE6lgGHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is a
> huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear to
> have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting the
> time of the users.
> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to be
> another disaster like that of Windows Me.
> Robbie

Me was a small disaster... since it was a stepping stone between 98 and XP

but Vista is another story..... this can make them or break them.



"Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:%23o%23ZE6lgGHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is a
> huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear to
> have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting the
> time of the users.
> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to be
> another disaster like that of Windows Me.
> Robbie

Me was absolutely awful I'll admit - seriously shot themselves in the foot
with that one P

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"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
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> Me was a small disaster... since it was a stepping stone between 98 and XP
>
> but Vista is another story..... this can make them or break them.
>
>
>
> "Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:%23o%23ZE6lgGHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
>> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
>> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
>> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
>> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
>> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
>> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
>> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is
>> a huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear
>> to have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting
>> the time of the users.
>> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
>> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to be
>> another disaster like that of Windows Me.
>> Robbie
>
>

ME = Mistaken Edition

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"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Me was absolutely awful I'll admit - seriously shot themselves in the foot
> with that one P
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
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> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
> not
> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
> that up!
>
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> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:OE7%23PppgGHA.1856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Me was a small disaster... since it was a stepping stone between 98 and
>> XP
>>
>> but Vista is another story..... this can make them or break them.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23o%23ZE6lgGHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
>>> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
>>> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
>>> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
>>> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
>>> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
>>> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
>>> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is
>>> a huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear
>>> to have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting
>>> the time of the users.
>>> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
>>> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to
>>> be another disaster like that of Windows Me.
>>> Robbie
>>
>>
>
>

ME might have been a disaster for consumers, but not for Microsoft since it
was prebundled on most machines in the fall of 2000. I know people who still
have it running on their machine and they are just as happy with it as 98 SE
users. I personally never had an issue with it, ran it on my IBM Aptiva up
until August 2000 when a virus took it, decided there was not much
difference betweek it an 98 SE so I just reinstall 98.
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"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
news:OE7%23PppgGHA.1856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Me was a small disaster... since it was a stepping stone between 98 and XP
>
> but Vista is another story..... this can make them or break them.
>
>
>
> "Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:%23o%23ZE6lgGHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
>> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
>> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
>> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
>> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
>> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
>> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
>> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is
>> a huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear
>> to have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting
>> the time of the users.
>> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
>> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to be
>> another disaster like that of Windows Me.
>> Robbie
>
>

I would be an interesting statistic to see what percentage of PC users still
use the Windows version that can preinstalled on purchase. My guess is that
this is a high percentage.


Ed

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ueW8QKrgGHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> ME might have been a disaster for consumers, but not for Microsoft since
> it was prebundled on most machines in the fall of 2000. I know people who
> still have it running on their machine and they are just as happy with it
> as 98 SE users. I personally never had an issue with it, ran it on my IBM
> Aptiva up until August 2000 when a virus took it, decided there was not
> much difference betweek it an 98 SE so I just reinstall 98.
> --
> --
> Andre
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>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:OE7%23PppgGHA.1856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Me was a small disaster... since it was a stepping stone between 98 and
>> XP
>>
>> but Vista is another story..... this can make them or break them.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23o%23ZE6lgGHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
>>> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
>>> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
>>> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
>>> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
>>> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
>>> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
>>> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is
>>> a huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear
>>> to have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting
>>> the time of the users.
>>> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
>>> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to
>>> be another disaster like that of Windows Me.
>>> Robbie
>>
>>
>
>

With "WinMe" Linux users were having a riot about windows instability....
and they were right...
it wasnt until XP that they bit their lip... (sorta since linux is always
better for them)


"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ueW8QKrgGHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> ME might have been a disaster for consumers, but not for Microsoft since
> it was prebundled on most machines in the fall of 2000. I know people who
> still have it running on their machine and they are just as happy with it
> as 98 SE users. I personally never had an issue with it, ran it on my IBM
> Aptiva up until August 2000 when a virus took it, decided there was not
> much difference betweek it an 98 SE so I just reinstall 98.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
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>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:OE7%23PppgGHA.1856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Me was a small disaster... since it was a stepping stone between 98 and
>> XP
>>
>> but Vista is another story..... this can make them or break them.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23o%23ZE6lgGHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
>>> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
>>> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
>>> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
>>> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
>>> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
>>> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
>>> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is
>>> a huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear
>>> to have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting
>>> the time of the users.
>>> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
>>> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to
>>> be another disaster like that of Windows Me.
>>> Robbie
>>
>>
>
>

Correction, I meant until August 2001, (ME came out in September 2000).
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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ueW8QKrgGHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> ME might have been a disaster for consumers, but not for Microsoft since
> it was prebundled on most machines in the fall of 2000. I know people who
> still have it running on their machine and they are just as happy with it
> as 98 SE users. I personally never had an issue with it, ran it on my IBM
> Aptiva up until August 2000 when a virus took it, decided there was not
> much difference betweek it an 98 SE so I just reinstall 98.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:OE7%23PppgGHA.1856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Me was a small disaster... since it was a stepping stone between 98 and
>> XP
>>
>> but Vista is another story..... this can make them or break them.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Robert Robinson" <robbiex@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23o%23ZE6lgGHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
>>> Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
>>> uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
>>> being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
>>> Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
>>> current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
>>> Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
>>> still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is
>>> a huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear
>>> to have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting
>>> the time of the users.
>>> I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
>>> XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to
>>> be another disaster like that of Windows Me.
>>> Robbie
>>
>>
>
>