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Old 05-30-2008   #1 (permalink)
Earle Horton


 
 

Explain this

I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir its
contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of the
eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally. What
is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How do I
do that?

Thanks.

Earle


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2008   #2 (permalink)
Donald L McDaniel


 
 

Re: Explain this

On Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:50 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
>Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
>location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
>and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
>or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir its
>contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of the
>eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally. What
>is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How do I
>do that?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Earle
It sounds like all these files have the "R-H-S" Attributes set.
That is, they are "hidden", "read-only", and "system".

To be able to see them, open the Folder Options Control Panel, and set
the View to be able to see such files/folders.

To make them appear, do this:
1) Open "Folder Options" in Control Panel.
2) Click on the "View" tab
3) Go down the list till you come to "Hidden files and folders".
4) Make sure the Radio button beside "Show hidden files and folders"
is activated. If it is activated, there will be a small dot in the
center. If not, there will be none.
5) Click on "Apply" then "Ok".

Then you should be able to see the folder and files.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original newsgroup and thread.
========================================================
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Old 05-30-2008   #3 (permalink)
Earle Horton


 
 

Re: Explain this

"Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ral044lgv4knfgcntjg4nl0m7k5ntfirm9@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:50 -0600, "Earle Horton"
> <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
>>Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
>>location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
>>and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this
>>folder
>>or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir its
>>contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of the
>>eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally. What
>>is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How do I
>>do that?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Earle
>
> It sounds like all these files have the "R-H-S" Attributes set.
> That is, they are "hidden", "read-only", and "system".
>
> To be able to see them, open the Folder Options Control Panel, and set
> the View to be able to see such files/folders.
>
> To make them appear, do this:
> 1) Open "Folder Options" in Control Panel.
> 2) Click on the "View" tab
> 3) Go down the list till you come to "Hidden files and folders".
> 4) Make sure the Radio button beside "Show hidden files and folders"
> is activated. If it is activated, there will be a small dot in the
> center. If not, there will be none.
> 5) Click on "Apply" then "Ok".
>
> Then you should be able to see the folder and files.
>
That's not it. I am seeing all kinds of previously hidden files now such as
"Installshield Installation Information" folder and "MSOCache" but no
Mobipocket Library folder. I know it is somewhere because Mobipocket Reader
says it has all my eBooks stored and it is able to open them, but the only
place that C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library is
visible is from within Mobipocket Reader.

Right click Properties in the parent folder says that it contains 10.8
Megabytes, but I have 70 Megabytes worth of eBooks in the Library.

I have to conclude that Mobipocket Reader has placed the files elsewhere,
but where?

Thanks.

Earle

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2008   #4 (permalink)
Richard G. Harper


 
 

Re: Explain this

Program Files is one of the many folders that is virtualized - that is,
invisibly relocated by Windows in order to prevent viruses, spyware,
malware, etc. from making unauthorized changes. You'll actually find your
data files in

C:\Users\<YourAccountName>\AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


"Earle Horton" <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eIloEknwIHA.1980@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
>Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
>location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
>and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
>or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir its
>contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of the
>eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally. What
>is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How do I
>do that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2008   #5 (permalink)
TDM


 
 

Re: Explain this


"Earle Horton" <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O8OdTrpwIHA.4560@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ral044lgv4knfgcntjg4nl0m7k5ntfirm9@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 11:15:50 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
>>>Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
>>>location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket
>>>Reader\Library,
>>>and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this
>>>folder
>>>or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir its
>>>contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of the
>>>eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally.
>>>What
>>>is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How do
>>>I
>>>do that?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
You might try using the /a option to a dir
command from a shell. Vista supports symbolic links,
and this should show you if a link exists.


TDM


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2008   #6 (permalink)
Earle Horton


 
 

Re: Explain this

That's it, thanks. Now the purpose of putting the eBooks in the Program
Files folder in the first place is first to make them accessible to other
users of the computer, and second to get them out of My Documents. The
eBooks are encrypted in such a way, that they can only be decrypted on this
computer (or on a really good clone). In other words if I move the eBooks
to another computer they cannot be read there. On the other hand if they
are in my application data then other users may not be able to use them.

Will it work to put the eBooks here?

C:\ProgramData\Mobipocket\Bookshelf

So the virus makes changes, but they only appear in a copy in the user's
application data folder?

Cheers,

Earle

"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23CdcZHqwIHA.516@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Program Files is one of the many folders that is virtualized - that is,
> invisibly relocated by Windows in order to prevent viruses, spyware,
> malware, etc. from making unauthorized changes. You'll actually find your
> data files in
>
> C:\Users\<YourAccountName>\AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files
>
> --
> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx
> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eIloEknwIHA.1980@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
>>Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
>>location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library,
>>and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this
>>folder or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir
>>its contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet all of
>>the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working normally.
>>What is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to a cd. How
>>do I do that?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Earle
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2008   #7 (permalink)
Dave Cox


 
 

Re: Explain this

"Earle Horton" <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in
news:eIloEknwIHA.1980@xxxxxx:
Quote:

> I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on
> Vista Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and
> eNews library location set to C:\Program
> Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library, and I have
> downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
> or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir
> its contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet
> all of the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are
> working normally. What is happening? I'd like to manually back
> up these files to a cd. How do I do that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle
>
change the store location of the library to a place under your user
name, for an example.

c:\users\<your user name>\Documents\Mobipocket Reader Library\


I am not saying to change the program files for the mobipocket just the
store location of your library.


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-31-2008   #8 (permalink)
Earle Horton


 
 

Re: Explain this

"Dave Cox" <dcox1961@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Xns9AAEAF8A2FD53dcoxgmailcom@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "Earle Horton" <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in
> news:eIloEknwIHA.1980@xxxxxx:
>
Quote:

>> I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on
>> Vista Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and
>> eNews library location set to C:\Program
>> Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library, and I have
>> downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
>> or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir
>> its contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet
>> all of the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are
>> working normally. What is happening? I'd like to manually back
>> up these files to a cd. How do I do that?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>
> change the store location of the library to a place under your user
> name, for an example.
>
> c:\users\<your user name>\Documents\Mobipocket Reader Library\
>
>
> I am not saying to change the program files for the mobipocket just the
> store location of your library.
>
>
That's not optimum because I share the eBooks, which are multi-lingual
dictionaries, with other users of the computer. It appears that Mobipocket
is not fully cognizant of Vista file structure, but I have to work with the
program as it is until a new version comes out. So far it appears that
c:\programdata is a reasonable choice for the library location.

Thanks.

Earle


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-31-2008   #9 (permalink)
Richard G. Harper


 
 

Re: Explain this

That's not really the reason the change was made, rather the effect. There
are many articles out there that explain program versus data virtualization
far better than I can and in this case google is your friend. :-)

But to your core question, depending on the app, you should be able to put
those ebooks anywhere you want to, so long as the program will look for them
there. If it's a doofy program with hard-coded paths and such you may not
be able to move them.

But again, due to virtualization of the path, any app that needs to find
them should easily be able to do so - it's not limited to just the eBook
reader program. You should be able to leave them where they are and browse
to them and/or set other program's default settings to see them in
C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library - no extra work
for you there.


--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/


"Earle Horton" <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uQflDJrwIHA.2292@xxxxxx
Quote:

> That's it, thanks. Now the purpose of putting the eBooks in the Program
> Files folder in the first place is first to make them accessible to other
> users of the computer, and second to get them out of My Documents. The
> eBooks are encrypted in such a way, that they can only be decrypted on
> this computer (or on a really good clone). In other words if I move the
> eBooks to another computer they cannot be read there. On the other hand
> if they are in my application data then other users may not be able to use
> them.
>
> Will it work to put the eBooks here?
>
> C:\ProgramData\Mobipocket\Bookshelf
>
> So the virus makes changes, but they only appear in a copy in the user's
> application data folder?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23CdcZHqwIHA.516@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Program Files is one of the many folders that is virtualized - that is,
>> invisibly relocated by Windows in order to prevent viruses, spyware,
>> malware, etc. from making unauthorized changes. You'll actually find
>> your data files in
>>
>> C:\Users\<YourAccountName>\AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files
>>
>> --
>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx
>> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
>> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:eIloEknwIHA.1980@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on Vista
>>>Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and eNews library
>>>location set to C:\Program Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket
>>>Reader\Library, and I have downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I
>>>can't see this folder or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd
>>>to it or dir its contents in command prompt running as administrator, but
>>>yet all of the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are working
>>>normally. What is happening? I'd like to manually back up these files to
>>>a cd. How do I do that?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-31-2008   #10 (permalink)
Donald L McDaniel


 
 

Re: Explain this

On Fri, 30 May 2008 22:02:59 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<earleh_nospam_@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>"Dave Cox" <dcox1961@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:Xns9AAEAF8A2FD53dcoxgmailcom@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> "Earle Horton" <earlio_nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in
>> news:eIloEknwIHA.1980@xxxxxx:
>>
Quote:

>>> I have Mobipocket Reader 6.2 (www.mobipocket.com) installed on
>>> Vista Business. In Tools, Settings, Advanced I have eBooks and
>>> eNews library location set to C:\Program
>>> Files\Mobipocket.com\Mobipocket Reader\Library, and I have
>>> downloaded My Bookshelf contents there. I can't see this folder
>>> or its contents in Windows Explorer, and I can't cd to it or dir
>>> its contents in command prompt running as administrator, but yet
>>> all of the eBooks that I have downloaded to this location are
>>> working normally. What is happening? I'd like to manually back
>>> up these files to a cd. How do I do that?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>
>> change the store location of the library to a place under your user
>> name, for an example.
>>
>> c:\users\<your user name>\Documents\Mobipocket Reader Library\
>>
>>
>> I am not saying to change the program files for the mobipocket just the
>> store location of your library.
>>
>>
>That's not optimum because I share the eBooks, which are multi-lingual
>dictionaries, with other users of the computer. It appears that Mobipocket
>is not fully cognizant of Vista file structure, but I have to work with the
>program as it is until a new version comes out. So far it appears that
>c:\programdata is a reasonable choice for the library location.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Earle
>
Apart from theoretical considerations (i.e., "could-be, should-be,
might-be"), have you found your missing books on your HD?

Are you now able to navigate to them from within Explorer?

If not, I suggest that you approach Mobipocket for support from now
on.

You don't seem to like our advice, so get it from the ones you "should
be" getting it from (i.e., "the creators of the program".)


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original newsgroup and thread.
========================================================
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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