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06-02-2008
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| Banned | Vista 64 bit beta driver issues I'm using Vista Business 64 bit and I noticed I cannot install beta Nvidia video card drivers...after doing some Googling apparently 64 bit versions of vista do not allow you to use beta drivers that don't have digitally signed signatures...there is apparently a work around in which you can hit the F8 key on bootup and choose the option to 'Disable Driver Signature Enforcement' but this only works for the current boot session...I tried this method and it still did not work every time...do I need to go into F8 every time I boot my system up with the beta drivers or only the first time I install the beta drivers? makes it a real pain to install beta drivers in Vista |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues Hi, Yes, you'll need to do it each time until Nvidia gets the driver signed. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com "Mirey86" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message news:b78bb9c354889b8579d385184e01d6e1@xxxxxx-gateway.com... Quote: > > I'm using Vista Business 64 bit and I noticed I cannot install beta > Nvidia video card drivers...after doing some Googling apparently 64 bit > versions of vista do not allow you to use beta drivers that don't have > digitally signed signatures...there is apparently a work around in which > you can hit the F8 key on bootup and choose the option to 'Disable > Driver Signature Enforcement' > > but this only works for the current boot session...I tried this method > and it still did not work every time...do I need to go into F8 every > time I boot my system up with the beta drivers or only the first time I > install the beta drivers? > > makes it a real pain to install beta drivers in Vista > > > -- > Mirey86 > > |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues Yes, F8 is required for each boot-up until the drivers are replaced with signed drivers or removed from the system. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ "Mirey86" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message news:b78bb9c354889b8579d385184e01d6e1@xxxxxx-gateway.com... Quote: > > I'm using Vista Business 64 bit and I noticed I cannot install beta > Nvidia video card drivers...after doing some Googling apparently 64 bit > versions of vista do not allow you to use beta drivers that don't have > digitally signed signatures...there is apparently a work around in which > you can hit the F8 key on bootup and choose the option to 'Disable > Driver Signature Enforcement' > > but this only works for the current boot session...I tried this method > and it still did not work every time...do I need to go into F8 every > time I boot my system up with the beta drivers or only the first time I > install the beta drivers? > > makes it a real pain to install beta drivers in Vista > > > -- > Mirey86 > > |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues I'm a bit confused here. I have been using beta Geforce drivers for over a year on Vista Home Premium X64. I have received warnings on the betas that the source cannot be verified, but I was able to choose to install the drivers. I believe that they were signed, although they were not WHQL blessed. The current drivers I have in place are betas (175.80) that were leaked through the website of an nVidia partner. I think I've only seen one driver in the past year that was unsigned, and that was associated with a utility that may have been a hack. Apparently beta and unsigned are not equivalent. Perhaps some MVP can shed light on this. I can't explain the OPs problem; I have not shared it. Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:unfokVJxIHA.3860@xxxxxx Quote: > Yes, F8 is required for each boot-up until the drivers are replaced with > signed drivers or removed from the system. > > -- > Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx > * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ > * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups > * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ > > > "Mirey86" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message > news:b78bb9c354889b8579d385184e01d6e1@xxxxxx-gateway.com... Quote: >> >> I'm using Vista Business 64 bit and I noticed I cannot install beta >> Nvidia video card drivers...after doing some Googling apparently 64 bit >> versions of vista do not allow you to use beta drivers that don't have >> digitally signed signatures...there is apparently a work around in which >> you can hit the F8 key on bootup and choose the option to 'Disable >> Driver Signature Enforcement' >> >> but this only works for the current boot session...I tried this method >> and it still did not work every time...do I need to go into F8 every >> time I boot my system up with the beta drivers or only the first time I >> install the beta drivers? >> >> makes it a real pain to install beta drivers in Vista >> >> >> -- >> Mirey86 >> >> |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:05:55 -0400, "Bob Knowlden" <nkbob@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >I'm a bit confused here. > >I have been using beta Geforce drivers for over a year on Vista Home Premium >X64. I have received warnings on the betas that the source cannot be >verified, but I was able to choose to install the drivers. I believe that >they were signed, although they were not WHQL blessed. The current drivers I >have in place are betas (175.80) that were leaked through the website of an >nVidia partner. > >I think I've only seen one driver in the past year that was unsigned, and >that was associated with a utility that may have been a hack. > >Apparently beta and unsigned are not equivalent. Beta means that the driver isn't at the final release point and is only for testing. All beta drivers will be unsigned drivers as well. Unsigned means it's not designed for the operating system in question... i.e., it doesn't pass all of MS's tests. Not all unsigned drivers are beta drivers. Quote: > >Perhaps some MVP can shed light on this. I can't explain the OPs problem; I >have not shared it. > >Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. > >"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@xxxxxx> wrote in message >news:unfokVJxIHA.3860@xxxxxx Quote: >> Yes, F8 is required for each boot-up until the drivers are replaced with >> signed drivers or removed from the system. >> >> -- >> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx >> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ >> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups >> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ >> >> >> "Mirey86" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message >> news:b78bb9c354889b8579d385184e01d6e1@xxxxxx-gateway.com... Quote: >>> >>> I'm using Vista Business 64 bit and I noticed I cannot install beta >>> Nvidia video card drivers...after doing some Googling apparently 64 bit >>> versions of vista do not allow you to use beta drivers that don't have >>> digitally signed signatures...there is apparently a work around in which >>> you can hit the F8 key on bootup and choose the option to 'Disable >>> Driver Signature Enforcement' >>> >>> but this only works for the current boot session...I tried this method >>> and it still did not work every time...do I need to go into F8 every >>> time I boot my system up with the beta drivers or only the first time I >>> install the beta drivers? >>> >>> makes it a real pain to install beta drivers in Vista >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mirey86 >>> >>> |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues I believe that the statement that "All beta drivers will be unsigned drivers as well" is not true. Let me be clear that I've tried many beta nVidia drivers in the past year under Vista X64, and Vista has never refused to load any of them. I have never needed to suppress the security feature that prevents the use of unsigned drivers with nVidia beta Geforce drivers. That leads me to believe that they can't be unsigned. "Nonny" <nonnymoose@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:b3l844h6ke4jgvj718erd9t8a8am3o24fj@xxxxxx Quote: > On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:05:55 -0400, "Bob Knowlden" <nkbob@xxxxxx> > wrote: > Quote: >>I'm a bit confused here. >> >>I have been using beta Geforce drivers for over a year on Vista Home >>Premium >>X64. I have received warnings on the betas that the source cannot be >>verified, but I was able to choose to install the drivers. I believe that >>they were signed, although they were not WHQL blessed. The current drivers >>I >>have in place are betas (175.80) that were leaked through the website of >>an >>nVidia partner. >> >>I think I've only seen one driver in the past year that was unsigned, and >>that was associated with a utility that may have been a hack. >> >>Apparently beta and unsigned are not equivalent. > True. > > Beta means that the driver isn't at the final release point and is > only for testing. All beta drivers will be unsigned drivers as well. > > Unsigned means it's not designed for the operating system in > question... i.e., it doesn't pass all of MS's tests. > > Not all unsigned drivers are beta drivers. > Quote: >> >>Perhaps some MVP can shed light on this. I can't explain the OPs problem; >>I >>have not shared it. >> >>Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. >> >>"Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>news:unfokVJxIHA.3860@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Yes, F8 is required for each boot-up until the drivers are replaced with >>> signed drivers or removed from the system. >>> >>> -- >>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx >>> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ >>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups >>> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ >>> >>> >>> "Mirey86" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message >>> news:b78bb9c354889b8579d385184e01d6e1@xxxxxx-gateway.com... >>>> >>>> I'm using Vista Business 64 bit and I noticed I cannot install beta >>>> Nvidia video card drivers...after doing some Googling apparently 64 bit >>>> versions of vista do not allow you to use beta drivers that don't have >>>> digitally signed signatures...there is apparently a work around in >>>> which >>>> you can hit the F8 key on bootup and choose the option to 'Disable >>>> Driver Signature Enforcement' >>>> >>>> but this only works for the current boot session...I tried this method >>>> and it still did not work every time...do I need to go into F8 every >>>> time I boot my system up with the beta drivers or only the first time I >>>> install the beta drivers? >>>> >>>> makes it a real pain to install beta drivers in Vista >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mirey86 >>>> >>>> >>> |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues Sadly, your assumption fails from the beginning. There is no fee to Microsoft nor to anyone else to sign drivers. To sign or not to sign is the choice of the vendor. There are a great many white papers and guides on the subject. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@xxxxxx * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:fl%0k.245$js6.163@xxxxxx Quote: > This driver signing is beginning to sound like extortion. Somehow it is > leading to 3rd party application providers to have to pay Micro$oft or no > signed drivers for the M$ OS. This will raise costs in that vendors have > to pander to Microsoft. > > If a user authorizes a 3rd party driver, it should never prompt again. > > Just an observation. |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues Canuck57 wrote: Quote: > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:unfokVJxIHA.3860@xxxxxx > Quote: >> Yes, F8 is required for each boot-up until the drivers are replaced with >> signed drivers or removed from the system. > This driver signing is beginning to sound like extortion. Somehow it is > leading to 3rd party application providers to have to pay Micro$oft or no > signed drivers for the M$ OS. This will raise costs in that vendors have to > pander to Microsoft. > > If a user authorizes a 3rd party driver, it should never prompt again. > > Just an observation. Yes another money making gig- not MS but some "Authority" |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues Richard G. Harper wrote: Quote: > Sadly, your assumption fails from the beginning. There is no fee to > Microsoft nor to anyone else to sign drivers. To sign or not to sign is > the choice of the vendor. There are a great many white papers and > guides on the subject. > Quote one then that costs nothing.... |
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06-02-2008
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| Guest | Re: Vista 64 bit beta driver issues Nonny wrote: Quote: > On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:05:55 -0400, "Bob Knowlden" <nkbob@xxxxxx> > wrote: > Quote: >> I'm a bit confused here. >> >> I have been using beta Geforce drivers for over a year on Vista Home Premium >> X64. I have received warnings on the betas that the source cannot be >> verified, but I was able to choose to install the drivers. I believe that >> they were signed, although they were not WHQL blessed. The current drivers I >> have in place are betas (175.80) that were leaked through the website of an >> nVidia partner. >> >> I think I've only seen one driver in the past year that was unsigned, and >> that was associated with a utility that may have been a hack. >> >> Apparently beta and unsigned are not equivalent. > True. > > Beta means that the driver isn't at the final release point and is > only for testing. All beta drivers will be unsigned drivers as well. > > Unsigned means it's not designed for the operating system in > question... i.e., it doesn't pass all of MS's tests. |
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