Vista - Bypass UAC for certain progs

06-27-2008

"Censored Syndrome" <synapse@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:q94964dtoho7aduosvau4ndfm2mrns231o@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Spence <spencelayhathotmaildotcom> wrote:
>>

Quote:

>>>One of my programs (Quickbooks Accountant 2006) asks for an Admin
>>>password every time it runs because it's from an Unknown Publisher. Is
>>>there any way to stop this happening, i.e. tell Vista we know who the
>>>publisher is?

>>
>> Wish there was, but AFAIK there isn't a way.

>
>
> Heh. Funny how all these people who use Vista do not even know how to use
> it.
>
> "Selectively disable UAC for your trusted Vista applications"
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=635
>
> I've used this method to run legacy CAD helper programs in offices with a
> dozen workstations.
>
> ss.
>
>

From the web site you provided.....

Quote:

>>>In Disable Vista's User Account Control Prompts While Protecting Your
>>>System, I showed you how to use TweakUAC to disable UAC prompts while
>>>leaving its protection intact. <<<

Which is pure nonsense.

From:
Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience

Quote:
This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying to
gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This so
called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to
'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when
you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the
file will have unrestricted access to your computer.

The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application
tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires
administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the user
for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the user,
which means that it is effectively disabled.

Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in
protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a
malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and
silently.

Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures
will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are
logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot notify
you that administrative privileges are required.

Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about his
product.
"if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to manage
your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC."
In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would want
to do is turn off the UAC notification.

If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to
temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in
Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using an
elevated instance of windows explorer.

The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it
dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least
user privilege environment.
--
End Quote

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06-27-2008

"Charles W Davis" <Anthemwebs@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
> "ZÿRiX" <org@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:RNqdnTPak7GZMvnVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> SG wrote:

Quote:

>>> "ZÿRiX" <org@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:TvCdncrCnu5TAPnVnZ2dnUVZ_qTinZ2d@xxxxxx
>>>> Spence wrote:
>>>>> One of my programs (Quickbooks Accountant 2006) asks for an Admin
>>>>> password every time it runs because it's from an Unknown Publisher.
>>>>> Is there any way to stop this happening, i.e. tell Vista we know
>>>>> who the publisher is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Turm off UAC then turn off the UAC warning, Then right click your
>>>> program and click "open as administartor"
>>>> That should help you out...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ZÿRiX
>>>> (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ZÿRiX,
>>>
>>> Re-read the subject, the OP says bypass UAC for certain programs not
>>> turn it off completely. :>)

>>
>> I understand!!!
>> Just giving the OP a better option... BTW who in the hell wants UAC
>> turned on?
>> Would you like UAC to run in your home and ask you if it's ok every time
>> you
>> open a door???
>> Grabs door handle and trys to turn and the door ask "ARE YOU SURE?"
>>
>>
>> --
>> ZÿRiX
>> (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯)
>>

> How about the other analogy. When someone comes to your home, can they
> just walk in? Or do you make a visual check to determine their ID? "Why
> yes, grandma come on in." "No, strange person, go away." I can't
> understand the problem with UAC, make your visual check and invite the
> person in....

Couldn't said it better Charles. I don't understand why some complain so
much about UAC unless they simply play to much on their system as appose to
using it. I rarely see these prompts and when they do appear I'm thankful
they do. What's a few extra mouse clicks?

--
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SG

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06-27-2008

"Sinner" <sinner@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
> "Charles W Davis" <Anthemwebs@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:C174857D-FA0E-4794-A908-916CA9E9977C@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>
>> How about the other analogy. When someone comes to your home, can they
>> just walk in? Or do you make a visual check to determine their ID? "Why
>> yes, grandma come on in." "No, strange person, go away." I can't
>> understand the problem with UAC, make your visual check and invite the
>> person in....

>
> Isn't that what the firewall and AV products are supposed to determine.
> They screen check the people for weapons, drugs and diseases before they
> come through the door. If they're clean, and I brought them in, why in
> the hell wouldn't I want them to have the run of the place. Sorry granny,
> you're not allowed out of your room.
>

Read these two articles, it explains indebt what UAC is and what is is not.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc137811.aspx
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc138019.aspx

Other than a few annoying prompts from time to time can you please explain
why you feel it is not a good idea to have it on?

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SG

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06-27-2008

"SG" <sorry@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>>> Spence <spencelayhathotmaildotcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>One of my programs (Quickbooks Accountant 2006) asks for an Admin
>>>>password every time it runs because it's from an Unknown Publisher. Is
>>>>there any way to stop this happening, i.e. tell Vista we know who the
>>>>publisher is?
>>>
>>> Wish there was, but AFAIK there isn't a way.

>>
>>
>> Heh. Funny how all these people who use Vista do not even know how to
>> use it.
>>
>> "Selectively disable UAC for your trusted Vista applications"
>> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=635
>>
>> I've used this method to run legacy CAD helper programs in offices with a
>> dozen workstations.

>
> From the web site you provided.....

Quote:

>>>>In Disable Vista's User Account Control Prompts While Protecting Your
>>>>System, I showed you how to use TweakUAC to disable UAC prompts while
>>>>leaving its protection intact. <<<

>
> Which is pure nonsense.
>
> From:
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
> Quote:
> This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying
> to
> gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This
> so
> called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to
> 'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when
> you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the
> file will have unrestricted access to your computer.
>
> The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application
> tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires
> administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the
> user
> for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the
> user,
> which means that it is effectively disabled.
>
> Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in
> protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a
> malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and
> silently.
>
> Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures
> will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are
> logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot
> notify
> you that administrative privileges are required.
>
> Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about
> his
> product.
> "if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to
> manage
> your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC."
> In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would
> want
> to do is turn off the UAC notification.
>
> If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to
> temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in
> Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using
> an
> elevated instance of windows explorer.
>
> The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it
> dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least
> user privilege environment.
> --
> End Quote

Er, did you even read the webpage? It is not about TweakUAC. It's about
using the Application Compatibility Toolkit to make non-UAC compliant
programs behave.

Anyway, UAC comprises of a lot more than just the prompts.

ss.

06-27-2008

"SG" <sorry@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
> Who wants it on? I for sure and many others. One of the best features MS
> ever implemented hands down. UAC is NOT designed to be against you or play
> the dumb user, it's a security feature to help the user. If you don't
> understand you should really read more into it and get a better
> understanding of what it does and why it was designed the way it is. I
> hope the next version of Windows is fixed where it cannot be disabled at
> all.

That really sounds like the words of somebody that always ran XP as
administrator. Instead of the hassle of UAC, it's much easier and quicker
to RUNAS a command prompt as Administrator, and use that to call MMC
snap-ins, control panels and general admin stuff. You can also drag over
installation files to install programs, if they are .msi ones that do not
have the Run As context menu entry.

I don't bother that much with Vista these days, but on Windows Server 2008,
I do as I did before, but automatically elevate the UAC prompts for the
admin account, and disable them all together for the user accounts. That
way I do not get hassled by UAC, and still have the other benefits of it
enabled.

Look at this video, 5:50mins onwards.
http://blogs.technet.com/chenley/arc...ols-video.aspx

ss.

06-27-2008

"Charles W Davis" <Anthemwebs@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:C174857D-FA0E-4794-A908-916CA9E9977C@xxxxxx

Quote:

> How about the other analogy. When someone comes to your home, can they
> just walk in? Or do you make a visual check to determine their ID? "Why
> yes, grandma come on in." "No, strange person, go away." I can't
> understand the problem with UAC, make your visual check and invite the
> person in....

But after you invite them in, why do you have to give them permission to
leave their room every time they want to go anywhere?

06-27-2008

"ZÿRiX" <org@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>

Quote:

>>
>> Who wants it on? I for sure and many others. One of the best features MS
>> ever implemented hands down. UAC is NOT designed to be against you or
>> play the dumb user, it's a security feature to help the user. If you
>> don't understand you should really read more into it and get a better
>> understanding of what it does and why it was designed the way it is. I
>> hope the next version of Windows is fixed where it cannot be disabled at
>> all.
>>

>
> I do understand them I work with machines everyday and get sick of the
> machine always
> asking me "ARE YOU SURE" thats what group policy, lockdowns and passwords
> are for...
>
> Hey but Fords and Chevys if you like it more power to you...

We were getting along just fine until you mention Fords and Chevys in the
same sentence. :>)

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SG

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06-27-2008

OH NO! Not that 4 letter word that starts with an F...

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Quote:

>> Hey but Fords and Chevys if you like it more power to you...

Quote:

> We were getting along just fine until you mention Fords and Chevys in the
> same sentence. :>)

06-28-2008

"SG" <sorry@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>>> Spence <spencelayhathotmaildotcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>One of my programs (Quickbooks Accountant 2006) asks for an Admin
>>>>password every time it runs because it's from an Unknown Publisher. Is
>>>>there any way to stop this happening, i.e. tell Vista we know who the
>>>>publisher is?
>>>
>>> Wish there was, but AFAIK there isn't a way.

>>
>>
>> Heh. Funny how all these people who use Vista do not even know how to
>> use it.
>>
>> "Selectively disable UAC for your trusted Vista applications"
>> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=635
>>
>> I've used this method to run legacy CAD helper programs in offices with a
>> dozen workstations.
>>
>> ss.
>>
>>

>
>
> From the web site you provided.....

Quote:

>>>>In Disable Vista's User Account Control Prompts While Protecting Your
>>>>System, I showed you how to use TweakUAC to disable UAC prompts while
>>>>leaving its protection intact. <<<

>
> Which is pure nonsense.
>
> From:
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
> Quote:
> This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying
> to
> gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This
> so
> called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to
> 'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when
> you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the
> file will have unrestricted access to your computer.
>
> The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application
> tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires
> administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the
> user
> for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the
> user,
> which means that it is effectively disabled.
>
> Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in
> protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a
> malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and
> silently.
>
> Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures
> will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are
> logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot
> notify
> you that administrative privileges are required.
>
> Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about
> his
> product.
> "if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to
> manage
> your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC."
> In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would
> want
> to do is turn off the UAC notification.
>
> If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to
> temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in
> Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using
> an
> elevated instance of windows explorer.
>
> The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it
> dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least
> user privilege environment.
> --
> End Quote

Er, did you even read the webpage? It is not about TweakUAC. It's about
using the Application Compatibility Toolkit to make non-UAC compliant
programs behave.

Anyway, UAC comprises of a lot more than just the prompts.

ss.

06-28-2008

"SG" <sorry@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OCS$FzG2IHA.1236@xxxxxx

Quote:

>
> Who wants it on? I for sure and many others. One of the best features MS
> ever implemented hands down. UAC is NOT designed to be against you or play
> the dumb user, it's a security feature to help the user. If you don't
> understand you should really read more into it and get a better
> understanding of what it does and why it was designed the way it is. I
> hope the next version of Windows is fixed where it cannot be disabled at
> all.

That really sounds like the words of somebody that always ran XP as
administrator. Instead of the hassle of UAC, it's much easier and quicker
to RUNAS a command prompt as Administrator, and use that to call MMC
snap-ins, control panels and general admin stuff. You can also drag over
installation files to install programs, if they are .msi ones that do not
have the Run As context menu entry.

I don't bother that much with Vista these days, but on Windows Server 2008,
I do as I did before, but automatically elevate the UAC prompts for the
admin account, and disable them all together for the user accounts. That
way I do not get hassled by UAC, and still have the other benefits of it
enabled.

Look at this video, 5:50mins onwards.
http://blogs.technet.com/chenley/arc...ols-video.aspx

ss.

06-27-2008	#11 (permalink)
SG n/a posts	Re: Bypass UAC for certain progs "Censored Syndrome" <synapse@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OEDbPSE2IHA.1036@xxxxxx Quote: > "Nonny" <nonnymoose@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:q94964dtoho7aduosvau4ndfm2mrns231o@xxxxxx Quote: >> Spence <spencelayhathotmaildotcom> wrote: >> Quote: >>>One of my programs (Quickbooks Accountant 2006) asks for an Admin >>>password every time it runs because it's from an Unknown Publisher. Is >>>there any way to stop this happening, i.e. tell Vista we know who the >>>publisher is? >> >> Wish there was, but AFAIK there isn't a way. > > > Heh. Funny how all these people who use Vista do not even know how to use > it. > > "Selectively disable UAC for your trusted Vista applications" > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=635 > > I've used this method to run legacy CAD helper programs in offices with a > dozen workstations. > > ss. > > From the web site you provided..... Quote: Quote: Quote: >>>In Disable Vista's User Account Control Prompts While Protecting Your >>>System, I showed you how to use TweakUAC to disable UAC prompts while >>>leaving its protection intact. <<< Which is pure nonsense. From: Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience Quote: This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying to gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This so called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to 'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the file will have unrestricted access to your computer. The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the user for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the user, which means that it is effectively disabled. Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and silently. Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot notify you that administrative privileges are required. Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about his product. "if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to manage your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC." In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would want to do is turn off the UAC notification. If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using an elevated instance of windows explorer. The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least user privilege environment. -- End Quote -- All the best, SG Is your computer system ready for Vista? https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/ Want to keep up with the latest news from MS? http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ned=us&topic=t Just type in Microsoft
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06-27-2008	#12 (permalink)
SG n/a posts	Re: Bypass UAC for certain progs "Charles W Davis" <Anthemwebs@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:C174857D-FA0E-4794-A908-916CA9E9977C@xxxxxx Quote: > > "ZÿRiX" <org@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:RNqdnTPak7GZMvnVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@xxxxxx Quote: >> SG wrote: Quote: >>> "ZÿRiX" <org@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:TvCdncrCnu5TAPnVnZ2dnUVZ_qTinZ2d@xxxxxx >>>> Spence wrote: >>>>> One of my programs (Quickbooks Accountant 2006) asks for an Admin >>>>> password every time it runs because it's from an Unknown Publisher. >>>>> Is there any way to stop this happening, i.e. tell Vista we know >>>>> who the publisher is? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Turm off UAC then turn off the UAC warning, Then right click your >>>> program and click "open as administartor" >>>> That should help you out... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ZÿRiX >>>> (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >>>> >>> >>> >>> ZÿRiX, >>> >>> Re-read the subject, the OP says bypass UAC for certain programs not >>> turn it off completely. :>) >> >> I understand!!! >> Just giving the OP a better option... BTW who in the hell wants UAC >> turned on? >> Would you like UAC to run in your home and ask you if it's ok every time >> you >> open a door??? >> Grabs door handle and trys to turn and the door ask "ARE YOU SURE?" >> >> >> -- >> ZÿRiX >> (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >> > How about the other analogy. When someone comes to your home, can they > just walk in? Or do you make a visual check to determine their ID? "Why > yes, grandma come on in." "No, strange person, go away." I can't > understand the problem with UAC, make your visual check and invite the > person in.... Couldn't said it better Charles. I don't understand why some complain so much about UAC unless they simply play to much on their system as appose to using it. I rarely see these prompts and when they do appear I'm thankful they do. What's a few extra mouse clicks? -- All the best, SG Is your computer system ready for Vista? https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/ Want to keep up with the latest news from MS? http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ned=us&topic=t Just type in Microsoft
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06-27-2008	#13 (permalink)
SG n/a posts	Re: Bypass UAC for certain progs "Sinner" <sinner@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%389k.16009$s77.14453@xxxxxx Quote: > > "Charles W Davis" <Anthemwebs@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:C174857D-FA0E-4794-A908-916CA9E9977C@xxxxxx Quote: >> >> How about the other analogy. When someone comes to your home, can they >> just walk in? Or do you make a visual check to determine their ID? "Why >> yes, grandma come on in." "No, strange person, go away." I can't >> understand the problem with UAC, make your visual check and invite the >> person in.... > > Isn't that what the firewall and AV products are supposed to determine. > They screen check the people for weapons, drugs and diseases before they > come through the door. If they're clean, and I brought them in, why in > the hell wouldn't I want them to have the run of the place. Sorry granny, > you're not allowed out of your room. > Read these two articles, it explains indebt what UAC is and what is is not. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc137811.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc138019.aspx Other than a few annoying prompts from time to time can you please explain why you feel it is not a good idea to have it on? -- All the best, SG Is your computer system ready for Vista? https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/ Want to keep up with the latest news from MS? http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ned=us&topic=t Just type in Microsoft
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06-27-2008	#14 (permalink)
Censored Syndrome n/a posts	Re: Bypass UAC for certain progs "SG" <sorry@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eh9gD6G2IHA.528@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> Spence <spencelayhathotmaildotcom> wrote: >>> >>>>One of my programs (Quickbooks Accountant 2006) asks for an Admin >>>>password every time it runs because it's from an Unknown Publisher. Is >>>>there any way to stop this happening, i.e. tell Vista we know who the >>>>publisher is? >>> >>> Wish there was, but AFAIK there isn't a way. >> >> >> Heh. Funny how all these people who use Vista do not even know how to >> use it. >> >> "Selectively disable UAC for your trusted Vista applications" >> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=635 >> >> I've used this method to run legacy CAD helper programs in offices with a >> dozen workstations. > > From the web site you provided..... Quote: Quote: >>>>In Disable Vista's User Account Control Prompts While Protecting Your >>>>System, I showed you how to use TweakUAC to disable UAC prompts while >>>>leaving its protection intact. <<< > > Which is pure nonsense. > > From: > Ronnie Vernon > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience > > Quote: > This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying > to > gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This > so > called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to > 'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when > you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the > file will have unrestricted access to your computer. > > The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application > tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires > administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the > user > for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the > user, > which means that it is effectively disabled. > > Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in > protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a > malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and > silently. > > Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures > will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are > logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot > notify > you that administrative privileges are required. > > Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about > his > product. > "if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to > manage > your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC." > In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would > want > to do is turn off the UAC notification. > > If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to > temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in > Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using > an > elevated instance of windows explorer. > > The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it > dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least > user privilege environment. > -- > End Quote Er, did you even read the webpage? It is not about TweakUAC. It's about using the Application Compatibility Toolkit to make non-UAC compliant programs behave. Anyway, UAC comprises of a lot more than just the prompts. ss.
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06-27-2008	#15 (permalink)
Censored Syndrome n/a posts	Re: Bypass UAC for certain progs "SG" <sorry@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OCS$FzG2IHA.1236@xxxxxx Quote: > > Who wants it on? I for sure and many others. One of the best features MS > ever implemented hands down. UAC is NOT designed to be against you or play > the dumb user, it's a security feature to help the user. If you don't > understand you should really read more into it and get a better > understanding of what it does and why it was designed the way it is. I > hope the next version of Windows is fixed where it cannot be disabled at > all. That really sounds like the words of somebody that always ran XP as administrator. Instead of the hassle of UAC, it's much easier and quicker to RUNAS a command prompt as Administrator, and use that to call MMC snap-ins, control panels and general admin stuff. You can also drag over installation files to install programs, if they are .msi ones that do not have the Run As context menu entry. I don't bother that much with Vista these days, but on Windows Server 2008, I do as I did before, but automatically elevate the UAC prompts for the admin account, and disable them all together for the user accounts. That way I do not get hassled by UAC, and still have the other benefits of it enabled. Look at this video, 5:50mins onwards. http://blogs.technet.com/chenley/arc...ols-video.aspx ss.
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06-27-2008	#16 (permalink)
Not Me n/a posts	Re: Bypass UAC for certain progs "Charles W Davis" <Anthemwebs@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:C174857D-FA0E-4794-A908-916CA9E9977C@xxxxxx Quote: > How about the other analogy. When someone comes to your home, can they > just walk in? Or do you make a visual check to determine their ID? "Why > yes, grandma come on in." "No, strange person, go away." I can't > understand the problem with UAC, make your visual check and invite the > person in.... But after you invite them in, why do you have to give them permission to leave their room every time they want to go anywhere?
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06-27-2008	#17 (permalink)
SG n/a posts	Re: Bypass UAC for certain progs "ZÿRiX" <org@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:7pudnXlxGIU9pPjVnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@xxxxxx Quote: > Quote: >> >> Who wants it on? I for sure and many others. One of the best features MS >> ever implemented hands down. UAC is NOT designed to be against you or >> play the dumb user, it's a security feature to help the user. If you >> don't understand you should really read more into it and get a better >> understanding of what it does and why it was designed the way it is. I >> hope the next version of Windows is fixed where it cannot be disabled at >> all. >> > > I do understand them I work with machines everyday and get sick of the > machine always > asking me "ARE YOU SURE" thats what group policy, lockdowns and passwords > are for... > > Hey but Fords and Chevys if you like it more power to you... We were getting along just fine until you mention Fords and Chevys in the same sentence. :>) -- All the best, SG Is your computer system ready for Vista? https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/ Want to keep up with the latest news from MS? http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ned=us&topic=t Just type in Microsoft
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06-27-2008	#18 (permalink)
Not Me n/a posts	Re: Bypass UAC for certain progs OH NO! Not that 4 letter word that starts with an F... -- A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here! CarGodZeroOne@xxxxxx Change Alpha to Numeric to reply Quote: Quote: >> Hey but Fords and Chevys if you like it more power to you... Quote: > We were getting along just fine until you mention Fords and Chevys in the > same sentence. :>)
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06-28-2008	#19 (permalink)
Censored Syndrome n/a posts	Repost: Bypass UAC for certain progs "SG" <sorry@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eh9gD6G2IHA.528@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> Spence <spencelayhathotmaildotcom> wrote: >>> >>>>One of my programs (Quickbooks Accountant 2006) asks for an Admin >>>>password every time it runs because it's from an Unknown Publisher. Is >>>>there any way to stop this happening, i.e. tell Vista we know who the >>>>publisher is? >>> >>> Wish there was, but AFAIK there isn't a way. >> >> >> Heh. Funny how all these people who use Vista do not even know how to >> use it. >> >> "Selectively disable UAC for your trusted Vista applications" >> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=635 >> >> I've used this method to run legacy CAD helper programs in offices with a >> dozen workstations. >> >> ss. >> >> > > > From the web site you provided..... Quote: Quote: >>>>In Disable Vista's User Account Control Prompts While Protecting Your >>>>System, I showed you how to use TweakUAC to disable UAC prompts while >>>>leaving its protection intact. <<< > > Which is pure nonsense. > > From: > Ronnie Vernon > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience > > Quote: > This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying > to > gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This > so > called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to > 'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when > you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the > file will have unrestricted access to your computer. > > The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application > tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires > administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the > user > for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the > user, > which means that it is effectively disabled. > > Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in > protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a > malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and > silently. > > Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures > will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are > logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot > notify > you that administrative privileges are required. > > Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about > his > product. > "if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to > manage > your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC." > In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would > want > to do is turn off the UAC notification. > > If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to > temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in > Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using > an > elevated instance of windows explorer. > > The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it > dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least > user privilege environment. > -- > End Quote Er, did you even read the webpage? It is not about TweakUAC. It's about using the Application Compatibility Toolkit to make non-UAC compliant programs behave. Anyway, UAC comprises of a lot more than just the prompts. ss.
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06-28-2008	#20 (permalink)
Censored Syndrome n/a posts	Repost: Bypass UAC for certain progs "SG" <sorry@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OCS$FzG2IHA.1236@xxxxxx Quote: > > Who wants it on? I for sure and many others. One of the best features MS > ever implemented hands down. UAC is NOT designed to be against you or play > the dumb user, it's a security feature to help the user. If you don't > understand you should really read more into it and get a better > understanding of what it does and why it was designed the way it is. I > hope the next version of Windows is fixed where it cannot be disabled at > all. That really sounds like the words of somebody that always ran XP as administrator. Instead of the hassle of UAC, it's much easier and quicker to RUNAS a command prompt as Administrator, and use that to call MMC snap-ins, control panels and general admin stuff. You can also drag over installation files to install programs, if they are .msi ones that do not have the Run As context menu entry. I don't bother that much with Vista these days, but on Windows Server 2008, I do as I did before, but automatically elevate the UAC prompts for the admin account, and disable them all together for the user accounts. That way I do not get hassled by UAC, and still have the other benefits of it enabled. Look at this video, 5:50mins onwards. http://blogs.technet.com/chenley/arc...ols-video.aspx ss.
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