Vista - Re: Reports: Intel to skip Vista upgrade

07-03-2008

And, your point is what?
Companies don't want to spend money right now?
Hmm... might have something to do with the economy, oil prices,
whatever...
Get a new soapbox. Your view is myopic. Eschew obfuscation, espouse
elucidation.

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<me19@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:g4iph8$6rv$1@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:

Quote:

> > The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> > Nina DiBoy' <me19@xxxxxx>'s wild thoughts were released
> > on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following
> > fruit:
> >

Quote:

> >> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> >>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> >>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@xxxxxx>'s wild thoughts were released
> >>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
> >>> fruit:
> >>>
> >>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> >>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in

2002,

Quote:

> >>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
> >>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's

[sic]

Quote:

> >>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
> >>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
> >>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
> >>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this

year

Quote:

> >>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
> >>>>>
> >>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
> >>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
> >>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from

any

Quote:

> >>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this

message

Quote:

> >>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
> >>>>
> >>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
> >>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
> >>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
> >>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
> >>> much as people like to infer.
> >>>
> >> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

> >
> > I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth
> > is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're
> > not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The
> > article has been posted over and over, almost always with
> > the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory.
> >

>
> Sure there is.
> Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet:
>
>

http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-wil...3-6134635.html

Quote:

> "Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad
> Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management,
> predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many
> businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months
> following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened.
>
> "They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven
> by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether
> Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster,"
> Gillen said in the September interview...."
>
> "Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is not
> happening as evidenced by companies like Intel.
>
> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
>

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...=NLT_AM&nlid=1

Quote:

>
> A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista
> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248
>
>

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/11...l-must-happen/

Quote:

>
> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
> http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/e...s.asp?id=44530
> "In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink
> noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while
> another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three
> months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with
> their existing version(s) of Windows..."
>
> --
> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
> - Maura Corbett
>
> DRM and unintended consequences:
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/se...35&tag=nl.e101

07-03-2008

I read them the first ten times they were quoted by other Vista bashers.

Try reading the counter posts in your thread, the counter-blogs to each
article, or even the articles you so desperately seem to believe support
your bias and you may find they support my "bias."

"But an equally important reason for the continued sluggishness in Vista
uptake rates is the economy, which has slowed to a crawl." - Ed Bott
Do I need to provide the link?

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<me19@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:g4ismv$m9n$1@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Mark H wrote:

Quote:

> > And, your point is what?

>
> You'd know if you actually read any of the article links I posted.
>

Quote:

> > Companies don't want to spend money right now?
> > Hmm... might have something to do with the economy, oil prices,
> > whatever...
> > Get a new soapbox. Your view is myopic.

>
> Your view is supported only by your own bias. That is evidenced clearly
> by you responding to my post without even reading the links I posted.
> Next time try pulling your head out of your arse and thinking before
> hitting reply and blubbering your bias into text and hit send.
>

Quote:

> > Eschew obfuscation, espouse
> > elucidation.
> >
> > "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
> > <me19@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:g4iph8$6rv$1@xxxxxx

Quote:

> >> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> >>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> >>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@xxxxxx>'s wild thoughts were released
> >>> on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following
> >>> fruit:
> >>>
> >>>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote:
> >>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as
> >>>>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@xxxxxx>'s wild thoughts were released
> >>>>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following
> >>>>> fruit:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> >>>>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in

> > 2002,

Quote:

> >>>>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember?
> >>>>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's

> > [sic]

Quote:

> >>>>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so.
> >>>>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out
> >>>>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft.
> >>>>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this

> > year

Quote:

> >>>>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software
> >>>>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge
> >>>>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from

> > any

Quote:

> >>>>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this

> > message

Quote:

> >>>>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now?
> >>>>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the
> >>>>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many
> >>>>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS
> >>>>> much as people like to infer.
> >>>>>
> >>>> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

> >>> I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth
> >>> is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're
> >>> not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The
> >>> article has been posted over and over, almost always with
> >>> the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory.
> >>>
> >> Sure there is.
> >> Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet:
> >>
> >>

> >

http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-wil...3-6134635.html

Quote:

> >> "Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad
> >> Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management,
> >> predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many
> >> businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months
> >> following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened.
> >>
> >> "They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be

driven

Quote:

> >> by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether
> >> Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster,"
> >> Gillen said in the September interview...."
> >>
> >> "Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is

not

Quote:

> >> happening as evidenced by companies like Intel.
> >>
> >> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
> >>

> >

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...=NLT_AM&nlid=1

Quote:

> >> A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista
> >> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248
> >>
> >>

> >

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/11...l-must-happen/

Quote:

> >> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista
> >> http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/e...s.asp?id=44530
> >> "In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink
> >> noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while
> >> another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three
> >> months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with
> >> their existing version(s) of Windows..."

>
> --
> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
> - Maura Corbett
>
> DRM and unintended consequences:
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/se...35&tag=nl.e101

07-03-2008

Same thing, every quarter for the last two and one-half years with "some"
company not quickly rolling over to it.
And before Vista, it was XP...

My company still uses W2K on thousands of machines.
It's an operating system. In that light, DOS worked just fine...

If it doesn't make my business software run any better and requires
re-training to use it...
Why upgrade if what I have already can be made to do what I need?
Anything beyond this simple requirement is bloat no matter who's OS it is.

But, call it what you want...
Wish I could say I had sold 150 millions pieces of garbage at $200+ each.
(Even if it didn't meet predictions of more.)

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<me19@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:g4j8ic$cks$1@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Mark H wrote:

Quote:

>> I read them the first ten times they were quoted by other Vista bashers.

>
> Yeah right. If you had bothered to read, you would have noticed the date
> on most of them.
>

07-03-2008	#1 (permalink)
Mark H n/a posts	Re: Reports: Intel to skip Vista upgrade And, your point is what? Companies don't want to spend money right now? Hmm... might have something to do with the economy, oil prices, whatever... Get a new soapbox. Your view is myopic. Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation. "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <me19@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:g4iph8$6rv$1@xxxxxx Quote: > Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote: Quote: > > The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as > > Nina DiBoy' <me19@xxxxxx>'s wild thoughts were released > > on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following > > fruit: > > Quote: > >> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote: > >>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as > >>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@xxxxxx>'s wild thoughts were released > >>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following > >>> fruit: > >>> > >>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: > >>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in 2002, Quote: Quote: Quote: > >>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember? > >>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002: > >>>>> > >>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's [sic] Quote: Quote: Quote: > >>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so. > >>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out > >>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft. > >>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this year Quote: Quote: Quote: > >>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481 > >>>>> > >>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software > >>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge > >>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from any Quote: Quote: Quote: > >>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this message Quote: Quote: Quote: > >>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista. > >>>> > >>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now? > >>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the > >>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many > >>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS > >>> much as people like to infer. > >>> > >> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. > > > > I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth > > is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're > > not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The > > article has been posted over and over, almost always with > > the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory. > > > > Sure there is. > Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet: > > http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-wil...3-6134635.html Quote: > "Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad > Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management, > predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many > businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months > following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened. > > "They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven > by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether > Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster," > Gillen said in the September interview...." > > "Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is not > happening as evidenced by companies like Intel. > > Businesses having second thoughts about Vista > http://www.computerworld.com/action/...=NLT_AM&nlid=1 Quote: > > A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista > http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248 > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/11...l-must-happen/ Quote: > > Businesses having second thoughts about Vista > http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/e...s.asp?id=44530 > "In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink > noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while > another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three > months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with > their existing version(s) of Windows..." > > -- > "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on > free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the > creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer > rights in the digital age are not frivolous." > - Maura Corbett > > DRM and unintended consequences: > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/se...35&tag=nl.e101
My System Specs

07-03-2008	#2 (permalink)
Mark H n/a posts	Re: Reports: Intel to skip Vista upgrade I read them the first ten times they were quoted by other Vista bashers. Try reading the counter posts in your thread, the counter-blogs to each article, or even the articles you so desperately seem to believe support your bias and you may find they support my "bias." "But an equally important reason for the continued sluggishness in Vista uptake rates is the economy, which has slowed to a crawl." - Ed Bott Do I need to provide the link? "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <me19@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:g4ismv$m9n$1@xxxxxx Quote: > Mark H wrote: Quote: > > And, your point is what? > > You'd know if you actually read any of the article links I posted. > Quote: > > Companies don't want to spend money right now? > > Hmm... might have something to do with the economy, oil prices, > > whatever... > > Get a new soapbox. Your view is myopic. > > Your view is supported only by your own bias. That is evidenced clearly > by you responding to my post without even reading the links I posted. > Next time try pulling your head out of your arse and thinking before > hitting reply and blubbering your bias into text and hit send. > Quote: > > Eschew obfuscation, espouse > > elucidation. > > > > "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" > > <me19@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:g4iph8$6rv$1@xxxxxx Quote: > >> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote: > >>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as > >>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@xxxxxx>'s wild thoughts were released > >>> on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:50:54 -0500 bearing the following > >>> fruit: > >>> > >>>> Jan Hyde (VB MVP) wrote: > >>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as > >>>>> Nina DiBoy' <me19@xxxxxx>'s wild thoughts were released > >>>>> on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:50 -0500 bearing the following > >>>>> fruit: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: > >>>>>>> Except that there's nothing new here. The same thing happened in > > 2002, Quote: > >>>>>>> when Windows XP was shiny and new. What, you don't remember? > >>>>>>> Why, I read it in the Inquirer, on January 10, 2002: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Windows XP might be the "best OS Microsoft ever produced" but it's > > [sic] Quote: > >>>>>>> long time partner Intel thinks that ain't necessarily so. > >>>>>>> The corporation, which has around 80,000 employees, is rolling out > >>>>>>> Windows 2K rather than the latest greatest OS from Microsoft. > >>>>>>> The decision was taken last year and Intel will spend much of this > > year Quote: > >>>>>>> standardising on W2K in every site and country in the world. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ref: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=481 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> It sounds like Intel has little to no faith in Microsoft's software > >>>>>> until it's been out for a long time. That is going to send a huge > >>>>>> message to the rest of the business world screaming "stay away from > > any Quote: > >>>>>> MS software that isn't old!!" Since Intel has been sending this > > message Quote: > >>>>>> out since at least 2002 it's no wonder noone is buying vista. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So the Inquirer is your favorite news site now? > >>>>> It sounds like they don't want to undergo the > >>>>> cost/disruption of uppgrading etc just like many, many > >>>>> companies. They haven't send any message about faith in MS > >>>>> much as people like to infer. > >>>>> > >>>> You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. > >>> I don't feel better or worse one way or the other. The truth > >>> is that there are no facts to support your statement. You're > >>> not the only one trying to draw this conclusion though. The > >>> article has been posted over and over, almost always with > >>> the intent of using it to support a Vista bashing theory. > >>> > >> Sure there is. > >> Lots of other companies are not moving to vista yet: > >> > >> > > http://news.cnet.com/How-quickly-wil...3-6134635.html Quote: Quote: Quote: > >> "Microsoft, meanwhile, is predicting a speedy adoption for Vista. Brad > >> Goldberg, general manager for Windows Client product management, > >> predicted in September that Vista would be put in use by twice as many > >> businesses in the first year as Windows XP was in the 12 months > >> following its October 2001 release..." This hasn't happened. > >> > >> "They have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven Quote: Quote: Quote: > >> by corporate adoption and deployment cycles--more so than by whether > >> Microsoft has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster," > >> Gillen said in the September interview...." > >> > >> "Driven by corporate adoption", corporate adoption, much of which is not Quote: Quote: Quote: > >> happening as evidenced by companies like Intel. > >> > >> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista > >> > > http://www.computerworld.com/action/...=NLT_AM&nlid=1 Quote: Quote: Quote: > >> A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista > >> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1454248 > >> > >> > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/11...l-must-happen/ Quote: Quote: Quote: > >> Businesses having second thoughts about Vista > >> http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/e...s.asp?id=44530 > >> "In a just-released poll of more than 250 of its clients, PatchLink > >> noted that only 2 percent said they are already running Vista, while > >> another 9 percent said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three > >> months. A landslide majority, 87 percent, said they would stay with > >> their existing version(s) of Windows..." > > -- > "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on > free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the > creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer > rights in the digital age are not frivolous." > - Maura Corbett > > DRM and unintended consequences: > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/se...35&tag=nl.e101
My System Specs

07-03-2008	#3 (permalink)
Mark n/a posts	Re: Reports: Intel to skip Vista upgrade Same thing, every quarter for the last two and one-half years with "some" company not quickly rolling over to it. And before Vista, it was XP... My company still uses W2K on thousands of machines. It's an operating system. In that light, DOS worked just fine... If it doesn't make my business software run any better and requires re-training to use it... Why upgrade if what I have already can be made to do what I need? Anything beyond this simple requirement is bloat no matter who's OS it is. But, call it what you want... Wish I could say I had sold 150 millions pieces of garbage at $200+ each. (Even if it didn't meet predictions of more.) "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <me19@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:g4j8ic$cks$1@xxxxxx Quote: > Mark H wrote: Quote: >> I read them the first ten times they were quoted by other Vista bashers. > > Yeah right. If you had bothered to read, you would have noticed the date > on most of them. >
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