Vista - Setting up a Workgroup

It seems the install process always sets the system up with a workgroup name
of Workgroup. In previous installations of Windows one could determine the
workgroup to join during the network setup procedure. It seems now one must
drill down to the System applet to change this after the installation
procedure is complete. Am I missing something?

JW

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:59:58 -0700, "Jerry West" <jw@comcast.net>
wrote:

>It seems the install process always sets the system up with a workgroup name
>of Workgroup. In previous installations of Windows one could determine the
>workgroup to join during the network setup procedure. It seems now one must
>drill down to the System applet to change this after the installation
>procedure is complete. Am I missing something?
>
>JW
>
Still a drill :/, but almost the same step as XPpro or W2K

Start Menu
Right click on "Computer", Select Properties.
Click Change (Domain or Workgroup)
Steve

Yeah... I don't remember RC1 setup letting me chose Domain/Workgroup in
setup either, but I probably didn't have a CAT5 cable plugged in when I ran
setup. Didja have a network connection when you ran setup?

Lang

"Jerry West" <jw@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:12gtum011iqcp54@news.supernews.com...
> It seems the install process always sets the system up with a workgroup
> name of Workgroup. In previous installations of Windows one could
> determine the workgroup to join during the network setup procedure. It
> seems now one must drill down to the System applet to change this after
> the installation procedure is complete. Am I missing something?
>
> JW
>

Steve Urbach wrote:

>> It seems the install process always sets the system up with a
>> workgroup name of Workgroup. In previous installations of
>> Windows one could determine the workgroup to join during the
>> network setup procedure. It seems now one must drill down to the
>> System applet to change this after the installation procedure is
>> complete. Am I missing something?
>>
> Still a drill :/, but almost the same step as XPpro or W2K
>
> Start Menu Right click on "Computer", Select Properties. Click
> Change (Domain or Workgroup)

The only niggle is that the default for XP was 'MSHOME' whereas
vista tries to set the machine to 'WORKGROUP'; took me a few minutes
to realise that was why I couldn't see the network!

--
Chris Game

"Never memorize something that you can look up."
-- Albert Einstein

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:49:38 -0400, "Lang Murphy"
<lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Didja have a network connection when you ran setup?
A *very* good point that should probably be stressed *strongly* at the
start of "setup".
eg: Connect these items:...
Disconnect these items until: 1)Setup completes, 2)Instructed to
attach/power them on.

FWIW I have a older DSL MODEM that requires PPoE be running on the
computer (I run a router, so this is no longer an issue) to log into
my DSL service . This causes "Chicken or Egg" issues with downloading
(Network)drivers and activation. How do you sign on via PPoE "before"
you have configured the LAN card or Dial up networking ? Duh!

Thank goodness newer DSL equipment does not have all these issues.

Yes, I was on the LAN when I ran setup. I've installed three different RC1
versions now and none have let me choose the workgroup I want during setup.
I always have to drill into the System applet to change it after setup is
complete.

JW

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9B561291-CB58-4289-ACB2-CDDC7827F84D@microsoft.com...
> Yeah... I don't remember RC1 setup letting me chose Domain/Workgroup in
> setup either, but I probably didn't have a CAT5 cable plugged in when I
> ran setup. Didja have a network connection when you ran setup?
>
> Lang
>
> "Jerry West" <jw@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:12gtum011iqcp54@news.supernews.com...
>> It seems the install process always sets the system up with a workgroup
>> name of Workgroup. In previous installations of Windows one could
>> determine the workgroup to join during the network setup procedure. It
>> seems now one must drill down to the System applet to change this after
>> the installation procedure is complete. Am I missing something?
>>
>> JW
>>
>

If you have your PC hooked up to your router, that should be enough
"network" for setup to produce the domain/workgroup selection screen, if, in
fact, that's the requirement. You don't have to be connected to the internet
for that. If you have to download NIC drivers for Vista to recognize your
NIC, well, then, yah, you're not going to see network config info in setup
because Vista doesn't recognize your NIC. I assume that's what you mean by
network drivers. Yea or nay?

Lang


"Steve Urbach" <dragonsclaw@NOTmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:bu00h2tit8skprvl0pstikq5dhv0gjsape@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:49:38 -0400, "Lang Murphy"
> <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Didja have a network connection when you ran setup?
> A *very* good point that should probably be stressed *strongly* at the
> start of "setup".
> eg: Connect these items:...
> Disconnect these items until: 1)Setup completes, 2)Instructed to
> attach/power them on.
>
> FWIW I have a older DSL MODEM that requires PPoE be running on the
> computer (I run a router, so this is no longer an issue) to log into
> my DSL service . This causes "Chicken or Egg" issues with downloading
> (Network)drivers and activation. How do you sign on via PPoE "before"
> you have configured the LAN card or Dial up networking ? Duh!
>
> Thank goodness newer DSL equipment does not have all these issues.
>

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:23:31 -0400, "Lang Murphy"
<lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote:

>If you have your PC hooked up to your router, that should be enough
>"network" for setup to produce the domain/workgroup selection screen, if, in
>fact, that's the requirement. You don't have to be connected to the internet
>for that. If you have to download NIC drivers for Vista to recognize your
>NIC, well, then, yah, you're not going to see network config info in setup
>because Vista doesn't recognize your NIC. I assume that's what you mean by
>network drivers. Yea or nay?
>
>Lang
>
>
That is a Yay!
Excluding the "Gameport", I had to "sneakernet" a number of drivers
for my Shuttle AN35N-Ultra.
I use a spare Hub with a single connection to "bring up" /incorrectly/
default(ed) PC's.
The more recent batch of Netgear DSL routers made me even connect the
WAN side before their STUPID wizard would let me change settings
(older models let you bypass the wizard).
I wanted to use it solely as a ROUTER with NO DHCP on the LAN side,
and to isolate one LAN from another (that already had a DSL router
with DHCP server, that was not allowed on this subnet).
I did know what I was doing, and achieved the desired result.

Note to developers: Advise, remind as needed, but don't prevent a
manual configuration. Obviously I could not automatically discover
"DSL Type" with no connection to the WAN side.
"No WAN cable detected. Automatic Discovery disabled. Correct cable
connection and retry or select manual configuration mode"

Lang Murphy wrote:

> If you have your PC hooked up to your router, that should be enough
> "network" for setup to produce the domain/workgroup selection screen,
> if, in fact, that's the requirement. You don't have to be connected to
> the internet for that. If you have to download NIC drivers for Vista to
> recognize your NIC, well, then, yah, you're not going to see network
> config info in setup because Vista doesn't recognize your NIC. I assume
> that's what you mean by network drivers. Yea or nay?
>
> Lang
>
>
> "Steve Urbach" <dragonsclaw@NOTmindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:bu00h2tit8skprvl0pstikq5dhv0gjsape@4ax.com...
>
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:49:38 -0400, "Lang Murphy"
>> <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Didja have a network connection when you ran setup?
>>
>> A *very* good point that should probably be stressed *strongly* at the
>> start of "setup".
>> eg: Connect these items:...
>> Disconnect these items until: 1)Setup completes, 2)Instructed to
>> attach/power them on.
>>
>> FWIW I have a older DSL MODEM that requires PPoE be running on the
>> computer (I run a router, so this is no longer an issue) to log into
>> my DSL service . This causes "Chicken or Egg" issues with downloading
>> (Network)drivers and activation. How do you sign on via PPoE "before"
>> you have configured the LAN card or Dial up networking ? Duh!
>>
>> Thank goodness newer DSL equipment does not have all these issues.
>>
>

Lang:

I have done many clean installs with the computer connected to the
router (via a cable, not wireless). I have never been prompted for
network name during setup. But the internet is always available
immediately (Vista has gotten a DHCP address from the router).

I have to set the workgroup name manually, and also do some kind of
"network discovery" in order to see my network (at least in the last two
builds, I do not remmeber this before).

David Wilkinson