5728 on Inspiron 6400, 2ghz, 1gig ram...

Got sick of waiting for RC1 DVD to arrive, so downloaded 5728, saved it to a
directory on my windows C: XP partition, used magiciso to unpack the files
onto the C: drive, ran setup and told it to install to V: drive, it gave me
the usual message about windows.old being created. Dual boot was retained,
big sigh of relief as I had problems there with beta 2. Reinstalled office
2007, then techrelease for same, and other software.

Everything appears to be working very well, the best thing is that aero is
finally working on the intel chipset 945gm, totally smoother than using the
generic WDDM driver that came with beta 2..

The speed up compared to beta 2 is very noticeable, launch times, close down
and program operation speed is fantastic!!!! Now I just have to decide
whether to hose UAC or just accept it as part of the necessary brave new
vista world

Finally a big thank you to all the regular posters here, whose patience and
advice I have greatly admired and appreciated over the past three months. I
feel that I now know a lot about vista installation on various machines and
feel very confident in the unofficial support role I am sure to have at work
and with friends over the next two years

"GrahamBookman" <upshallg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BE24A0ED-364A-492E-81B0-4E01F08A1CE9@microsoft.com...
> Got sick of waiting for RC1 DVD to arrive, so downloaded 5728, saved it to
> a directory on my windows C: XP partition, used magiciso to unpack the
> files onto the C: drive, ran setup and told it to install to V: drive, it
> gave me the usual message about windows.old being created. Dual boot was
> retained, big sigh of relief as I had problems there with beta 2.
> Reinstalled office 2007, then techrelease for same, and other software.
>
> Everything appears to be working very well, the best thing is that aero is
> finally working on the intel chipset 945gm, totally smoother than using
> the generic WDDM driver that came with beta 2..
>
> The speed up compared to beta 2 is very noticeable, launch times, close
> down and program operation speed is fantastic!!!! Now I just have to
> decide whether to hose UAC or just accept it as part of the necessary
> brave new vista world
>
> Finally a big thank you to all the regular posters here, whose patience
> and advice I have greatly admired and appreciated over the past three
> months. I feel that I now know a lot about vista installation on various
> machines and feel very confident in the unofficial support role I am sure
> to have at work and with friends over the next two years

I know UAC can be a pain, but its there for a reason and I think you should
accept it as part of the OS. There's no point in MS trying to help secure
customers computers if they are just going to disable that security.
I find that I have got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing
those single clicks, it just happens. Its not like every day you will be
doing actions which require acceptance of UAC. Yes you have to do it quite
a bit when installing new programs, but once you are settled and got the OS
working the way you want its not going to be a regular occurance.

Maybe for you, but happens at startup every time to update the AVG A-V
files. Total pain. Four popups at start-up for that, more for other
programs that check for updates, etc.

"Beck" <beck@none> wrote in message
news:u7dh0Q93GHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "GrahamBookman" <upshallg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BE24A0ED-364A-492E-81B0-4E01F08A1CE9@microsoft.com...
>> Got sick of waiting for RC1 DVD to arrive, so downloaded 5728, saved it
>> to a directory on my windows C: XP partition, used magiciso to unpack the
>> files onto the C: drive, ran setup and told it to install to V: drive, it
>> gave me the usual message about windows.old being created. Dual boot was
>> retained, big sigh of relief as I had problems there with beta 2.
>> Reinstalled office 2007, then techrelease for same, and other software.
>>
>> Everything appears to be working very well, the best thing is that aero
>> is finally working on the intel chipset 945gm, totally smoother than
>> using the generic WDDM driver that came with beta 2..
>>
>> The speed up compared to beta 2 is very noticeable, launch times, close
>> down and program operation speed is fantastic!!!! Now I just have to
>> decide whether to hose UAC or just accept it as part of the necessary
>> brave new vista world
>>
>> Finally a big thank you to all the regular posters here, whose patience
>> and advice I have greatly admired and appreciated over the past three
>> months. I feel that I now know a lot about vista installation on various
>> machines and feel very confident in the unofficial support role I am sure
>> to have at work and with friends over the next two years
>
> I know UAC can be a pain, but its there for a reason and I think you
> should accept it as part of the OS. There's no point in MS trying to help
> secure customers computers if they are just going to disable that
> security.
> I find that I have got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing
> those single clicks, it just happens. Its not like every day you will be
> doing actions which require acceptance of UAC. Yes you have to do it
> quite a bit when installing new programs, but once you are settled and got
> the OS working the way you want its not going to be a regular occurance.

Make sure you complain to the creators of the software you are experiencing
problems with. The more complaints they receive the sooner they will
consider updating their programs for Vista compatibilty.

When you think about it why do all these programs need system level access?
Every one of them is a possible vector for malware infections. If they had
been coded properly in the first place they would work fine with Vista.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


John Barnes wrote:
> Maybe for you, but happens at startup every time to update the AVG A-V
> files. Total pain. Four popups at start-up for that, more for other
> programs that check for updates, etc.
>

I would think that an AV needs some sort of system level
access. Windows Defender in real-time protection mode +
UAC, has got to be one of the most aggravating computer
experiences I have ever encountered. YMMV, of course.

-Michael

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:eUVoGT%233GHA.1588@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Make sure you complain to the creators of the software you are experiencing problems with.
> The more complaints they receive the sooner they will consider updating their programs for
> Vista compatibilty.
>
> When you think about it why do all these programs need system level access? Every one of them
> is a possible vector for malware infections. If they had been coded properly in the first
> place they would work fine with Vista.
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> John Barnes wrote:
>> Maybe for you, but happens at startup every time to update the AVG A-V
>> files. Total pain. Four popups at start-up for that, more for other
>> programs that check for updates, etc.
>>
>
>

The only time it should need to get the user's OK (UAC) is during the
install. It can install a service during the install to do whatever ongoing
system level access it needs.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


MICHAEL wrote:
> I would think that an AV needs some sort of system level
> access. Windows Defender in real-time protection mode +
> UAC, has got to be one of the most aggravating computer
> experiences I have ever encountered. YMMV, of course.
>
> -Michael
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:eUVoGT%233GHA.1588@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Make sure you complain to the creators of the software you are
>> experiencing problems with. The more complaints they receive the
>> sooner they will consider updating their programs for Vista
>> compatibilty. When you think about it why do all these programs need
>> system level
>> access? Every one of them is a possible vector for malware
>> infections. If they had been coded properly in the first place they
>> would work fine with Vista. --
>> Kerry
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>> Maybe for you, but happens at startup every time to update the AVG
>>> A-V files. Total pain. Four popups at start-up for that, more for
>>> other programs that check for updates, etc.

Heh, heh, heh... you said it yourself... and I quote: " I find that I have
got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing those single clicks,
it just happens."

Hmmm... if one doesn't read the UAC dlg box when it pops up, and one just
clicks on the dlg box without realizing what it's saying, then one is not
using UAC in the manner in which it is intended to be used.

UAC: "Hey, you wanna run Control Panel?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

UAC: "Hey, you wanna install this trojan virus?"

Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

Oops...

Lang

"Beck" <beck@none> wrote in message
news:u7dh0Q93GHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "GrahamBookman" <upshallg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BE24A0ED-364A-492E-81B0-4E01F08A1CE9@microsoft.com...
>> Got sick of waiting for RC1 DVD to arrive, so downloaded 5728, saved it
>> to a directory on my windows C: XP partition, used magiciso to unpack the
>> files onto the C: drive, ran setup and told it to install to V: drive, it
>> gave me the usual message about windows.old being created. Dual boot was
>> retained, big sigh of relief as I had problems there with beta 2.
>> Reinstalled office 2007, then techrelease for same, and other software.
>>
>> Everything appears to be working very well, the best thing is that aero
>> is finally working on the intel chipset 945gm, totally smoother than
>> using the generic WDDM driver that came with beta 2..
>>
>> The speed up compared to beta 2 is very noticeable, launch times, close
>> down and program operation speed is fantastic!!!! Now I just have to
>> decide whether to hose UAC or just accept it as part of the necessary
>> brave new vista world
>>
>> Finally a big thank you to all the regular posters here, whose patience
>> and advice I have greatly admired and appreciated over the past three
>> months. I feel that I now know a lot about vista installation on various
>> machines and feel very confident in the unofficial support role I am sure
>> to have at work and with friends over the next two years
>
> I know UAC can be a pain, but its there for a reason and I think you
> should accept it as part of the OS. There's no point in MS trying to help
> secure customers computers if they are just going to disable that
> security.
> I find that I have got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing
> those single clicks, it just happens. Its not like every day you will be
> doing actions which require acceptance of UAC. Yes you have to do it
> quite a bit when installing new programs, but once you are settled and got
> the OS working the way you want its not going to be a regular occurance.

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FB19AEFC-8AE2-415E-9E42-2E04BF4C8358@microsoft.com...
> Heh, heh, heh... you said it yourself... and I quote: " I find that I have
> got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing those single
> clicks, it just happens."
>
> Hmmm... if one doesn't read the UAC dlg box when it pops up, and one just
> clicks on the dlg box without realizing what it's saying, then one is not
> using UAC in the manner in which it is intended to be used.
>
> UAC: "Hey, you wanna run Control Panel?"
>
> Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!
>
> UAC: "Hey, you wanna install this trojan virus?"
>
> Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!
>
> Oops...
>
> Lang
>
>

The code of the malware does not have to be strong as long as the social
engineering is top-notch!

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FB19AEFC-8AE2-415E-9E42-2E04BF4C8358@microsoft.com...
> Heh, heh, heh... you said it yourself... and I quote: " I find that I have
> got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing those single
> clicks, it just happens."
>
> Hmmm... if one doesn't read the UAC dlg box when it pops up, and one just
> clicks on the dlg box without realizing what it's saying, then one is not
> using UAC in the manner in which it is intended to be used.
>
> UAC: "Hey, you wanna run Control Panel?"
>
> Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!
>
> UAC: "Hey, you wanna install this trojan virus?"
>
> Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!

Thats a very good point and one I did not consider.

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FB19AEFC-8AE2-415E-9E42-2E04BF4C8358@microsoft.com...
> Heh, heh, heh... you said it yourself... and I quote: " I find that I have
> got used to it now and I don't realise when I am doing those single
> clicks, it just happens."
>
> Hmmm... if one doesn't read the UAC dlg box when it pops up, and one just
> clicks on the dlg box without realizing what it's saying, then one is not
> using UAC in the manner in which it is intended to be used.
>
> UAC: "Hey, you wanna run Control Panel?"
>
> Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!
>
> UAC: "Hey, you wanna install this trojan virus?"
>
> Me: "Yeah, sure..." Click!
>
> Oops...

Actually whilst you raise a good point, I know when I want access by UAC
because I have deliberately done something which requires the prompt - like
installing a program I intend to install. However if a trojan wants to
install out of the blue then I know something is wrong and will look at why
I am getting UAC when I had not requested it.