UAC Views

**A big IMHO here**

If you generally know what you're doing, and as I presume, if Vista is at
least as secure as XP is right now, you don't need UAC. It simply wastes
time and frustrates, IMO.

And we know that this is by no means the end of viruses, no matter what MS
would like to have us believe.

A third party FW like ZA Free is all I need to keep my XP system safe, and I
think it'd be the same with Vista.

In article <eY1S3kQ4GHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, PowerUser says...
> **A big IMHO here**
>
> If you generally know what you're doing, and as I presume, if Vista is at
> least as secure as XP is right now, you don't need UAC. It simply wastes
> time and frustrates, IMO.
>
> And we know that this is by no means the end of viruses, no matter what MS
> would like to have us believe.
>
> A third party FW like ZA Free is all I need to keep my XP system safe, and I
> think it'd be the same with Vista.
>
Oh dear...

A Firewall doesn't protect you against a malicious activeX plugin.

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I don't use IE.

"Conor" <conor.turton@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <eY1S3kQ4GHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, PowerUser says...
> **A big IMHO here**
>
> If you generally know what you're doing, and as I presume, if Vista is at
> least as secure as XP is right now, you don't need UAC. It simply wastes
> time and frustrates, IMO.
>
> And we know that this is by no means the end of viruses, no matter what MS
> would like to have us believe.
>
> A third party FW like ZA Free is all I need to keep my XP system safe, and
> I
> think it'd be the same with Vista.
>
Oh dear...

A Firewall doesn't protect you against a malicious activeX plugin.

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In article <uL2RR0Y4GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, PowerUser says...
> I don't use IE.
>
....or any other browser exploit.

The only thing a Firewall protects you against is someone trying to
open a connection to your PC from the internet and programs making
outbound connections.

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That's what you need. An AV kick in when you've already made a mistake,
doesn't it?

I've not had a virus for years- Heck the last time I had one, I had
installed it intentionally 8-) UAC just seems to exacerbate accessibility,
and as mentioned in another thread, one can very easily click through the
prompt unconsciously just to get over with it- Making it of little use

"Conor" <conor.turton@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <uL2RR0Y4GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, PowerUser says...
> I don't use IE.
>
....or any other browser exploit.

The only thing a Firewall protects you against is someone trying to
open a connection to your PC from the internet and programs making
outbound connections.

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Have you ever used any other OS besides Windows? Windows is one of the very
few OSs where users regularly logon with root/administrator access. This is
one of the reasons malware authors target Windows. It's a big target.
Running with lower privileges reduces the size of the target.

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http://www.vistahelp.ca


PowerUser wrote:
> That's what you need. An AV kick in when you've already made a
> mistake, doesn't it?
>
> I've not had a virus for years- Heck the last time I had one, I had
> installed it intentionally 8-) UAC just seems to exacerbate
> accessibility, and as mentioned in another thread, one can very
> easily click through the prompt unconsciously just to get over with
> it- Making it of little use
> "Conor" <conor.turton@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f8371af74be1dc6989908@news.individual.net...
> In article <uL2RR0Y4GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, PowerUser says...
>> I don't use IE.
>>
> ...or any other browser exploit.
>
> The only thing a Firewall protects you against is someone trying to
> open a connection to your PC from the internet and programs making
> outbound connections.

I have used other OSes, but I haven't ever seen anywhere near the number of
prompts that I've seen in Vista. The concept of requiring authorization is
good in theory but like I said if a user simply clicks through the prompts-
Which I know the majority do- Little is achieved.

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:%234tCvwc4GHA.4256@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Have you ever used any other OS besides Windows? Windows is one of the
> very few OSs where users regularly logon with root/administrator access.
> This is one of the reasons malware authors target Windows. It's a big
> target. Running with lower privileges reduces the size of the target.
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> PowerUser wrote:
>> That's what you need. An AV kick in when you've already made a
>> mistake, doesn't it?
>>
>> I've not had a virus for years- Heck the last time I had one, I had
>> installed it intentionally 8-) UAC just seems to exacerbate
>> accessibility, and as mentioned in another thread, one can very
>> easily click through the prompt unconsciously just to get over with
>> it- Making it of little use
>> "Conor" <conor.turton@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1f8371af74be1dc6989908@news.individual.net...
>> In article <uL2RR0Y4GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, PowerUser says...
>>> I don't use IE.
>>>
>> ...or any other browser exploit.
>>
>> The only thing a Firewall protects you against is someone trying to
>> open a connection to your PC from the internet and programs making
>> outbound connections.
>
>

PowerUser wrote:
> I have used other OSes, but I haven't ever seen anywhere near the number of
> prompts that I've seen in Vista. The concept of requiring authorization is
> good in theory but like I said if a user simply clicks through the prompts-
> Which I know the majority do- Little is achieved.
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:%234tCvwc4GHA.4256@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>> Have you ever used any other OS besides Windows? Windows is one of the
>> very few OSs where users regularly logon with root/administrator
>> access. This is one of the reasons malware authors target Windows.
>> It's a big target. Running with lower privileges reduces the size of
>> the target.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>
>> PowerUser wrote:
>>
>>> That's what you need. An AV kick in when you've already made a
>>> mistake, doesn't it?
>>>
>>> I've not had a virus for years- Heck the last time I had one, I had
>>> installed it intentionally 8-) UAC just seems to exacerbate
>>> accessibility, and as mentioned in another thread, one can very
>>> easily click through the prompt unconsciously just to get over with
>>> it- Making it of little use
>>> "Conor" <conor.turton@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.1f8371af74be1dc6989908@news.individual.net...
>>> In article <uL2RR0Y4GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, PowerUser says...
>>>
>>>> I don't use IE.
>>>>
>>> ...or any other browser exploit.
>>>
>>> The only thing a Firewall protects you against is someone trying to
>>> open a connection to your PC from the internet and programs making
>>> outbound connections.
>>
>>
>>
>
UAC is a corp knee jerk reaction by MS. It will create more problems,
confusion and plain'ol bad public relations for MS than practically
anything they've done in the past, especially if you're a newbie or just
not really "computer savvy".
If you're computer knowledgeable, UAC will irritate the hell out of you.
If you really know what you're doing, UAC will be the very first app you
disable.
Frank

"PowerUser" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:eY1S3kQ4GHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> **A big IMHO here**
>
> If you generally know what you're doing, and as I presume, if Vista is at
> least as secure as XP is right now, you don't need UAC. It simply wastes
> time and frustrates, IMO.
>
> And we know that this is by no means the end of viruses, no matter what MS
> would like to have us believe.
>
> A third party FW like ZA Free is all I need to keep my XP system safe, and
> I think it'd be the same with Vista.

A software firewall such as Zone Alarm is only one part of a security in
depth approach. Software firewalls can be disabled, negated, or bypassed.
Don't be putting too much faith in your Zone Alarm. It takes a variety of
steps to keep a system safe. I do get a chuckle when people pound their
chest and say how good they are at keeping their system safe. Especially
when their main support in that allegation is a reliance on a free software
firewall. A software firewall is useful but it's not everything.

--
Rock [ MVP User/Shell]

"Frank"wrote

> PowerUser wrote:
>> I have used other OSes, but I haven't ever seen anywhere near the number
>> of
>> prompts that I've seen in Vista. The concept of requiring authorization
>> is
>> good in theory but like I said if a user simply clicks through the
>> prompts-
>> Which I know the majority do- Little is achieved.
>>
>> "Kerry Brown" wrote
>>
>>> Have you ever used any other OS besides Windows? Windows is one of the
>>> very few OSs where users regularly logon with root/administrator access.
>>> This is one of the reasons malware authors target Windows. It's a big
>>> target. Running with lower privileges reduces the size of the target.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kerry
>>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>>
>>>
>>> PowerUser wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's what you need. An AV kick in when you've already made a
>>>> mistake, doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>> I've not had a virus for years- Heck the last time I had one, I had
>>>> installed it intentionally 8-) UAC just seems to exacerbate
>>>> accessibility, and as mentioned in another thread, one can very
>>>> easily click through the prompt unconsciously just to get over with
>>>> it- Making it of little use
>>>> "Conor" <conor.turton@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.1f8371af74be1dc6989908@news.individual.net...
>>>> In article <uL2RR0Y4GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, PowerUser says...
>>>>
>>>>> I don't use IE.
>>>>>
>>>> ...or any other browser exploit.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing a Firewall protects you against is someone trying to
>>>> open a connection to your PC from the internet and programs making
>>>> outbound connections.
>>>
>>
> UAC is a corp knee jerk reaction by MS. It will create more problems,
> confusion and plain'ol bad public relations for MS than practically
> anything they've done in the past, especially if you're a newbie or just
> not really "computer savvy".
> If you're computer knowledgeable, UAC will irritate the hell out of you.
> If you really know what you're doing, UAC will be the very first app you
> disable.
> Frank

I'm computer knowledgeable, and UAC doesn't irritate the hell out of me, nor
have I disabled it. I've learned how to work with it. It's a paradigm
shift in how to use the system. UAC will have a learning curve. Yes, it
will keep us busy on the newsgroups, but it will increase security for the
average and even above average user. Those that turn it off will be in the
same state they are now. Those that keep it on and learn how to work with
it will be better off.

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