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Old 11-18-2008   #1 (permalink)
shawn


 
 

how to backup users profiles?

2003 domain with more than 10 Vista clients. How can I centralized backup
c:\Users to server? We are using Bacula for client backup, but Bacula's Vista
client doesn't work well for c:\users (other folders are fine).

I can't ask user log off, then backup script doesn't work;
Vista's backup tool can't backup folders;
old NTBACKUP doesn't support volume shadow copy on Vista (alway skip files).

Is there any other ways?

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Old 11-18-2008   #2 (permalink)
Mark L. Ferguson


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

Have you considered RoboCopy?
Robocopy:
http://technet2.microsoft.com/window....mspx?mfr=true

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"shawn" <shawn@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:77BF53CC-7D03-4BA9-B23C-78AD5E8C23E7@xxxxxx
Quote:

> 2003 domain with more than 10 Vista clients. How can I centralized backup
> c:\Users to server? We are using Bacula for client backup, but Bacula's
> Vista
> client doesn't work well for c:\users (other folders are fine).
>
> I can't ask user log off, then backup script doesn't work;
> Vista's backup tool can't backup folders;
> old NTBACKUP doesn't support volume shadow copy on Vista (alway skip
> files).
>
> Is there any other ways?
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Old 11-18-2008   #3 (permalink)
shawn


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

Yes, but robocopy can't handle opened files, even backup mode, right?

"Mark L. Ferguson" wrote:
Quote:

> Have you considered RoboCopy?
> Robocopy:
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/window....mspx?mfr=true
>
> --
> Please use the Communities guidelines when posting.
> http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales...help_en-us.htm
> Use the "Ratings" feature. It helps the new users.
> Mark L. Ferguson MS-MVP
> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Mark.Ferguson
>
> "shawn" <shawn@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:77BF53CC-7D03-4BA9-B23C-78AD5E8C23E7@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > 2003 domain with more than 10 Vista clients. How can I centralized backup
> > c:\Users to server? We are using Bacula for client backup, but Bacula's
> > Vista
> > client doesn't work well for c:\users (other folders are fine).
> >
> > I can't ask user log off, then backup script doesn't work;
> > Vista's backup tool can't backup folders;
> > old NTBACKUP doesn't support volume shadow copy on Vista (alway skip
> > files).
> >
> > Is there any other ways?
>
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Old 11-18-2008   #4 (permalink)
Malke


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

shawn wrote:
Quote:

> 2003 domain with more than 10 Vista clients. How can I centralized backup
> c:\Users to server? We are using Bacula for client backup, but Bacula's
> Vista client doesn't work well for c:\users (other folders are fine).
>
> I can't ask user log off, then backup script doesn't work;
> Vista's backup tool can't backup folders;
> old NTBACKUP doesn't support volume shadow copy on Vista (alway skip
> files).
>
> Is there any other ways?
I'm confused - you have a domain and a central server, what is there to back
up on the workstations? Surely you don't leave data on the workstations?

Malke
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Old 11-19-2008   #5 (permalink)
shawn


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

Users sometime won't write all data to server, plus working on data may slow.
Since we don't like roaming profile, then Boss likes to backup profiles from
each workstations to server.

"Malke" wrote:
Quote:

> shawn wrote:
>
Quote:

> > 2003 domain with more than 10 Vista clients. How can I centralized backup
> > c:\Users to server? We are using Bacula for client backup, but Bacula's
> > Vista client doesn't work well for c:\users (other folders are fine).
> >
> > I can't ask user log off, then backup script doesn't work;
> > Vista's backup tool can't backup folders;
> > old NTBACKUP doesn't support volume shadow copy on Vista (alway skip
> > files).
> >
> > Is there any other ways?
>
> I'm confused - you have a domain and a central server, what is there to back
> up on the workstations? Surely you don't leave data on the workstations?
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>
>
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Old 11-19-2008   #6 (permalink)
Malke


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

shawn wrote:
Quote:

> Users sometime won't write all data to server, plus working on data may
> slow. Since we don't like roaming profile, then Boss likes to backup
> profiles from each workstations to server.
If working on the data is slow, you should upgrade the RAM on the server and
possibly your network infrastructure. Boss should understand that keeping
data on workstations is inefficient, makes backing up harder and more prone
to errors and omissions, and increases traffic over the network.

All that said, it's your (or your Boss's) choice. For such a small network,
I would run Second Copy on the server and have it copy data off the
workstations to an external hard drive, NAS, or extra internal hard drive
on the server (least desirable choice).

Depending on the amount of data being backed up, an off-site backup solution
like Mozy might be even better for you.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

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Old 11-19-2008   #7 (permalink)
shawn


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

Actually we have Bacula - a open source backup solution, to backup all
servers, and workstations. It just works fine for all 2003, linux servers,
and XP, and all Vista's folders, except profile folder. That's way I am
asking how to backup Vista's profile folder, since I even can't find any
valued posts from Google.

"Malke" wrote:
Quote:

> shawn wrote:
>
Quote:

> > Users sometime won't write all data to server, plus working on data may
> > slow. Since we don't like roaming profile, then Boss likes to backup
> > profiles from each workstations to server.
>
> If working on the data is slow, you should upgrade the RAM on the server and
> possibly your network infrastructure. Boss should understand that keeping
> data on workstations is inefficient, makes backing up harder and more prone
> to errors and omissions, and increases traffic over the network.
>
> All that said, it's your (or your Boss's) choice. For such a small network,
> I would run Second Copy on the server and have it copy data off the
> workstations to an external hard drive, NAS, or extra internal hard drive
> on the server (least desirable choice).
>
> Depending on the amount of data being backed up, an off-site backup solution
> like Mozy might be even better for you.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>
>
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Old 11-19-2008   #8 (permalink)
Malke


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

shawn wrote:
Quote:

> Actually we have Bacula - a open source backup solution, to backup all
> servers, and workstations. It just works fine for all 2003, linux servers,
> and XP, and all Vista's folders, except profile folder. That's way I am
> asking how to backup Vista's profile folder, since I even can't find any
> valued posts from Google.
Second Copy works with Vista. Or is your question that you don't know what
to back up? C:\Users\username\etc.

You have to create matching user accounts/passwords on the server and set up
sharing on the Vista machine, naturally. It sounds more like a permissions
problem.

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
and folders:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

Malke
--
MS-MVP
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FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

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Old 11-19-2008   #9 (permalink)
shawn


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

Bacula use client agent, then no permission isuue. But for Vista's profile,
it is hard to make a live backup, I got similar issue like this:
http://help.lockergnome.com/vista/Ac...opict1391.html
It is about Vista's profile structure, bacula client daemon can't traverse
the whole profile tree.

"Malke" wrote:
Quote:

> shawn wrote:
>
Quote:

> > Actually we have Bacula - a open source backup solution, to backup all
> > servers, and workstations. It just works fine for all 2003, linux servers,
> > and XP, and all Vista's folders, except profile folder. That's way I am
> > asking how to backup Vista's profile folder, since I even can't find any
> > valued posts from Google.
>
> Second Copy works with Vista. Or is your question that you don't know what
> to back up? C:\Users\username\etc.
>
> You have to create matching user accounts/passwords on the server and set up
> sharing on the Vista machine, naturally. It sounds more like a permissions
> problem.
>
> Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
> Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
> and folders:
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>
>
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Old 11-19-2008   #10 (permalink)
Malke


 
 

Re: how to backup users profiles?

shawn wrote:
Quote:

> Bacula use client agent, then no permission isuue. But for Vista's
> profile, it is hard to make a live backup, I got similar issue like this:
>
http://help.lockergnome.com/vista/Ac...opict1391.html
Quote:

> It is about Vista's profile structure, bacula client daemon can't traverse
> the whole profile tree.
Then the issue is with the Bacula software. Contact their tech support or
use a different backup program. As I already said, Second Copy works fine
with Vista, and so does Acronis True Image (you could use their server
version). There are other backup programs which also work with Vista,
although I've only used SC and TI so I can't recommend any one way or
another. Other people may have good suggestions.

This is not a Vista issue; it is a problem with the backup software you are
using.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

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