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Old 11-20-2008   #1 (permalink)
Chippy


 
 

OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly

OK, so how do I find out what is reading my drive continuously, for as long
as the machine is on, and stop it?
This happens even when no programs are running and it's just the desktop.
This is going to kill my drive.
C


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Old 11-20-2008   #2 (permalink)
philo


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly


"Chippy" <chipme@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> OK, so how do I find out what is reading my drive continuously, for as
long
Quote:

> as the machine is on, and stop it?
> This happens even when no programs are running and it's just the desktop.
> This is going to kill my drive.
> C
>
\

And the machine specs are????


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Old 11-20-2008   #3 (permalink)
Steve Thackery


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly

> This is going to kill my drive.

Actually, there is no evidence at all that accessing a drive like that
shortens its life. If you don't believe me, find those Google White Papers
which discuss at length hard disk failure modes. Nobody gets through more
hard disks than Google.

Lots of things cause ongoing disk accesses in Vista, and they all operate at
the lowest I/O and CPU priorities in order not to affect performance. Apart
from indexing, Vista spends a lot of time defragging the disk, preloading
stuff into memory in anticipation of you wanting it, and I believe it also
shuffles files around on the disk to improve boot performance.

Please don't worry. Vista accesses the disk more than XP. Eventually it'll
calm down, but you may need to wait several days.

SteveT

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Old 11-20-2008   #4 (permalink)
Steve Thackery


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly

Oh, I forgot: other things which cause ongoing disk access are security
software (including Vista's built in anti-malware thing, and certain OS
functions such as the automatic creation of restore points, backups, etc.

I should also add that excessive disk thrashing can be caused by
insufficient RAM (although not normally when the machine is idle for any
length of time). You should have 2G of RAM, or more.

SteveT

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Old 11-20-2008   #5 (permalink)
illjilli


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly

> Actually, there is no evidence at all that accessing a drive like that
Quote:

> shortens its life. If you don't believe me, find those Google White
> Papers
There is no evidence of the nature of gravity though either. But we feel its
effects.
Yes no one really understands what the heck gravity is, if it is a wave or
particle of some sort and how it is generated.
Einstein said that it is a curvature of space time.. but that does not
describe how it works.

But for those who do know how hard drives work would never say what you
said.
Drives that ae thrashing all the time fail more often in home computers as
opposed to the drives that google has, because google has
their drives in air-conditioned rooms, with back up power, and no movement.

While in most computers they have difference in temp, humidity, electricity
may fail or the hard drive could be shocked my movement if it's a laptop or
someone kicking the box my mistake if it's a desktop.

You don't need to be Einstein to realize this simple thing.. YES DRIVES DIE
FAR MORE OFTEN when they keep crunching data!!!!
The more data the are reading writing the more the disk head is moving
across the disk platter, the more the movement the more possuibility for it
to scratch the disk if some of the above reasons happen.




"Steve Thackery" <nobody@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:
Quote:

>> This is going to kill my drive.
>
> Actually, there is no evidence at all that accessing a drive like that
> shortens its life. If you don't believe me, find those Google White
> Papers which discuss at length hard disk failure modes. Nobody gets
> through more hard disks than Google.
>
> Lots of things cause ongoing disk accesses in Vista, and they all operate
> at the lowest I/O and CPU priorities in order not to affect performance.
> Apart from indexing, Vista spends a lot of time defragging the disk,
> preloading stuff into memory in anticipation of you wanting it, and I
> believe it also shuffles files around on the disk to improve boot
> performance.
>
> Please don't worry. Vista accesses the disk more than XP. Eventually
> it'll calm down, but you may need to wait several days.
>
> SteveT
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Old 11-20-2008   #6 (permalink)
illjilli


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly

You can wait several years and vista will still access the disk far more
than XP ever did (on the same hardware)
Quote:

> I should also add that excessive disk thrashing can be caused by
> insufficient RAM (although not normally when the machine is idle for any
> length of time). You should have 2G of RAM, or more.
have ever seen the vista schecduled tasks as apposed to xp?

No? Yes? Oh you have? And you still are here to remind us about vista
needing 2 gigs just to function properly?

LOL

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Oh, I forgot: other things which cause ongoing disk access are security
> software (including Vista's built in anti-malware thing, and certain OS
> functions such as the automatic creation of restore points, backups, etc.
>
> I should also add that excessive disk thrashing can be caused by
> insufficient RAM (although not normally when the machine is idle for any
> length of time). You should have 2G of RAM, or more.
>
> SteveT
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Old 11-20-2008   #7 (permalink)
illjilli


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly

Oh.. and I forgot to mention.. google doesn't run an OS prone to crashes...
lol
Ok lets say vista is not the culprit always.. nevertheless, computer crashes
and abrupt restarts
is the worst thing that can happen for a disk while its reading writing...
again because the head is moving
it can create far more damage than if it was just sitting in one place...

Google is probably running some version of linux on its servers.. and not
vista... :-)

They don't install apps and drivers all the time...

why am I here analyzing it so much?.. he is right.. the disk lifespan is
reduced statistically the more its being thrashed.

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uS$R2ZvSJHA.1164@xxxxxx
Quote:
Quote:

>> This is going to kill my drive.
>
> Actually, there is no evidence at all that accessing a drive like that
> shortens its life. If you don't believe me, find those Google White
> Papers which discuss at length hard disk failure modes. Nobody gets
> through more hard disks than Google.
>
> Lots of things cause ongoing disk accesses in Vista, and they all operate
> at the lowest I/O and CPU priorities in order not to affect performance.
> Apart from indexing, Vista spends a lot of time defragging the disk,
> preloading stuff into memory in anticipation of you wanting it, and I
> believe it also shuffles files around on the disk to improve boot
> performance.
>
> Please don't worry. Vista accesses the disk more than XP. Eventually
> it'll calm down, but you may need to wait several days.
>
> SteveT
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 11-20-2008   #8 (permalink)
Richard Urban


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly

Has your "new" computer become part of (one of many) a bot net? This would
certainly account for disk activity as your computer spews out hundreds of
thousands of bogus emails per day - behind your back.

Get a good internet monitoring program to see if this is happening. I use
NetMeter.

I went to my sons house a few weeks back. He had not actively used his
computer for a couple of hours. Yet, NetMeter showed that his out going
stream was using about 2.1 meg of bandwidth. This went on for over 2 hours.
His computer was "owned" as it turned out.

After retreating to a system image I had created for him a few weeks prior
all activity stopped and his hard disk was again quiet.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Chippy" <chipme@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> OK, so how do I find out what is reading my drive continuously, for as
> long as the machine is on, and stop it?
> This happens even when no programs are running and it's just the desktop.
> This is going to kill my drive.
> C
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Old 11-20-2008   #9 (permalink)
Spikey


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> Has your "new" computer become part of (one of many) a bot net? This would
> certainly account for disk activity as your computer spews out hundreds of
> thousands of bogus emails per day - behind your back.
>
Also have you got any p2p stuff on the pc? The bbc iplayer for instance,
you have to uncheck the box in settings so you dont allow file sharing from
other users.


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Old 11-20-2008   #10 (permalink)
illjilli


 
 

Re: OK, new Vista machine is finsihed indexing, but hard drive still being access continuouksly

>Leave the machine on 24/7, it will settle down after a day or 2

fail


"Bob Campbell" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "illjilli" <illjilli@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:492550b5$1@xxxxxx-privat.org...
Quote:

>> why am I here analyzing it so much?.. he is right.. the disk lifespan is
>> reduced statistically the more its being thrashed.
>
> There is a difference between a disk being "accessed" and a disk being
> "thrashed". Excessive "thrashing" may shorten the life of a drive, but
> "accessing" will certainly not.
>
> The OP needs to relax. A new Vista install will have lots of drive
> activity as things get organized. Leave the machine on 24/7, it will
> settle down after a day or 2. If the drive does in fact die, then it was
> defective and will be covered under warranty anyways.
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