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Vista 64 System needs Extended warm-up

  1. #1


    Tom Guest

    Vista 64 System needs Extended warm-up

    Hello All;



    I have a new build (Late October) with a problem unlike any
    I have seen on any of the forums.



    MB EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 NF780i SLI / 15.23 drivers

    VGA ZOTAC ZT-98XES2P-FCP 9800GTX RT

    CPU INTEL Q9550 2.83 775 12M

    MEM 2ea 2GX2 GSK F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ

    HD 640G ST 7K 32M ST3640323AS

    MS WIN VISTA ULTIMATE SP1 64 BIT

    Coolermaster 810 case w/850 watt PS

    Phoenix Bios PO6 / NVIDIA Bios Version 2.053 D8

    No upgraded BIOS/ Everything in BIOS is default except the boot order



    Note that with the total 8 Gig of memory I had the "normal"
    problem of not being able to install Windows until I had stripped the memory
    down to only 4 Gigs in the first 2 slots. Installation went OK with only 2
    sticks of memory, but I needed to do a repair installation a couple of times
    to remedy a "forever boot" that included a full completion of POST to FF.
    All memory tests good in the first 2 slots and system actually seems a
    little snappier with only 4 Gig installed, but then I put the other 4 Gig in
    and developed into the following.

    System now occasionally boots and runs properly, but more
    often, boots to desktop, takes over a minute to find my DSL internet
    connection and then the following:

    1. Runs a couple of short tasks and then hangs with an
    application not responding indication in any application that may be running
    at the time. Sometimes this happens immediately, sometimes one application
    will hang while others continue. Sometimes all applications will hang and
    then sporadically continue. Frustration then gets me to reset after a few
    minutes. Sometimes, however, the applications will pick up and run normally
    for the rest of the nite.

    2. Bottom line is that the system is most always flakey when
    its first turned on and stays flakey til its warmed up. This warm-up period
    may take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour, but once its warmed up, it
    will run well until secured for the day. If I light off Task Manager first,
    before the flakiness starts, I can tell that CPU activity goes to
    essentially zero during the periods of hang-up. Usually the mouse remains
    active along with the ability to move windows around - but not always.



    The issue is probably hardware related, but I have gone way
    past to time when I cannot RMA any of the parts. I could still turn in the
    780i on an upgrade for another couple of weeks, but its really unclear if my
    problem is the motherboard (my prime suspect), the hard disk or the
    operating system. I'm rather afraid to upgrade the BIOS due to the problems
    I read about here and the issue doesn't seem to be something that would be
    helped by that anyway.



    Any suggestions or magic spells would be most welcome.



    Tom


      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  2. #2


    Malke Guest

    Re: Vista 64 System needs Extended warm-up

    Tom wrote:

    (snippage)

    > System now occasionally boots and runs properly, but more
    > often, boots to desktop, takes over a minute to find my DSL internet
    > connection and then the following:
    >
    > 1. Runs a couple of short tasks and then hangs with an
    > application not responding indication in any application that may be
    > running
    > at the time. Sometimes this happens immediately, sometimes one
    > application
    > will hang while others continue. Sometimes all applications will hang and
    > then sporadically continue. Frustration then gets me to reset after a few
    > minutes. Sometimes, however, the applications will pick up and run
    > normally for the rest of the nite.
    >
    > 2. Bottom line is that the system is most always flakey
    > when
    > its first turned on and stays flakey til its warmed up. This warm-up
    > period may take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour, but once its warmed
    > up, it
    > will run well until secured for the day. If I light off Task Manager
    > first, before the flakiness starts, I can tell that CPU activity goes to
    > essentially zero during the periods of hang-up. Usually the mouse remains
    > active along with the ability to move windows around - but not always.
    Just to add to Rick's good advice, your issues are almost certainly
    hardware-related and have nothing to do with Windows. I also doubt that
    flashing your BIOS will help, but of course you can try.

    You've got failing hardware, so start testing with the first most likely
    suspect which is the RAM. I'm sorry about the RMA status of your
    components, but if something is bad you have to replace it.

    http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...ardware_Tshoot

    Since you built the box yourself, if you can't narrow down the culprit to
    (for ex.) the RAM by testing, take everything apart as part of your
    troubleshooting. Check that you didn't miss putting in a standoff, etc.


    Malke
    --
    MS-MVP
    Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
    FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ


      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  3. #3


    Richard Urban Guest

    Re: Vista 64 System needs Extended warm-up

    Erratic abnormal behavior can almost always be traced to

    1. RAM
    2. Failing hard drive

    Put the 2nd two sticks of RAM in the first 2 slots (with the 2nd set of
    slots empty). Do you have the same problem? If so, it is easy to figure out
    which RAM stick is defective - because you are using 4 sticks. Label them
    1-4 and start trying different pairs. When you notice you always have
    problems with stick #3 as part of the pair you have it nailed.

    --

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience


    "Tom" <(remove)mrtsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:856F00F2-DB17-4C23-80A1-F0AA43F3E3A0@xxxxxx

    > Hello All;
    >
    >
    >
    > I have a new build (Late October) with a problem unlike any
    > I have seen on any of the forums.
    >
    >
    >
    > MB EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 NF780i SLI / 15.23 drivers
    >
    > VGA ZOTAC ZT-98XES2P-FCP 9800GTX RT
    >
    > CPU INTEL Q9550 2.83 775 12M
    >
    > MEM 2ea 2GX2 GSK F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ
    >
    > HD 640G ST 7K 32M ST3640323AS
    >
    > MS WIN VISTA ULTIMATE SP1 64 BIT
    >
    > Coolermaster 810 case w/850 watt PS
    >
    > Phoenix Bios PO6 / NVIDIA Bios Version 2.053 D8
    >
    > No upgraded BIOS/ Everything in BIOS is default except the boot order
    >
    >
    >
    > Note that with the total 8 Gig of memory I had the "normal"
    > problem of not being able to install Windows until I had stripped the
    > memory down to only 4 Gigs in the first 2 slots. Installation went OK
    > with only 2 sticks of memory, but I needed to do a repair installation a
    > couple of times to remedy a "forever boot" that included a full completion
    > of POST to FF. All memory tests good in the first 2 slots and system
    > actually seems a little snappier with only 4 Gig installed, but then I put
    > the other 4 Gig in and developed into the following.
    >
    > System now occasionally boots and runs properly, but more
    > often, boots to desktop, takes over a minute to find my DSL internet
    > connection and then the following:
    >
    > 1. Runs a couple of short tasks and then hangs with an
    > application not responding indication in any application that may be
    > running at the time. Sometimes this happens immediately, sometimes one
    > application will hang while others continue. Sometimes all applications
    > will hang and then sporadically continue. Frustration then gets me to
    > reset after a few minutes. Sometimes, however, the applications will pick
    > up and run normally for the rest of the nite.
    >
    > 2. Bottom line is that the system is most always flakey
    > when its first turned on and stays flakey til its warmed up. This warm-up
    > period may take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour, but once its warmed
    > up, it will run well until secured for the day. If I light off Task
    > Manager first, before the flakiness starts, I can tell that CPU activity
    > goes to essentially zero during the periods of hang-up. Usually the mouse
    > remains active along with the ability to move windows around - but not
    > always.
    >
    >
    >
    > The issue is probably hardware related, but I have gone way
    > past to time when I cannot RMA any of the parts. I could still turn in
    > the 780i on an upgrade for another couple of weeks, but its really unclear
    > if my problem is the motherboard (my prime suspect), the hard disk or the
    > operating system. I'm rather afraid to upgrade the BIOS due to the
    > problems I read about here and the issue doesn't seem to be something that
    > would be helped by that anyway.
    >
    >
    >
    > Any suggestions or magic spells would be most welcome.
    >
    >
    >
    > Tom
    >

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  4. #4


    Paul Smith Guest

    Re: Vista 64 System needs Extended warm-up

    Hello Tom.

    It may not be down to any faulty hardware just yet. The first thing I would
    do on your system is raise the memory voltage slightly, by say 0.1 or 0.2
    volts.

    Typically most DDR2 RAM will run at 1.8 volts, and this is what most
    motherboards will automatically set themselves too. However it is pretty
    common that when all 4 slots are filled that you need to push the voltage up
    a little bit higher. For maximum performance at rated speeds the voltage is
    quite often 2.0 or even 2.2 volts depending on your particular RAM.

    See if you can find out what the recommended voltage is for your RAM, set it
    at that in the BIOS. If you don't get any luck with that or you can't find
    the recommended voltage just push it up a little bit anyway.

    --
    Paul Smith,
    Yeovil, UK.
    Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience.
    http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
    http://www.windowsresource.net/

    *Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*


    "Tom" <(remove)mrtsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:856F00F2-DB17-4C23-80A1-F0AA43F3E3A0@xxxxxx

    > Hello All;
    >
    >
    >
    > I have a new build (Late October) with a problem unlike any
    > I have seen on any of the forums.
    >
    >
    >
    > MB EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 NF780i SLI / 15.23 drivers
    >
    > VGA ZOTAC ZT-98XES2P-FCP 9800GTX RT
    >
    > CPU INTEL Q9550 2.83 775 12M
    >
    > MEM 2ea 2GX2 GSK F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ
    >
    > HD 640G ST 7K 32M ST3640323AS
    >
    > MS WIN VISTA ULTIMATE SP1 64 BIT
    >
    > Coolermaster 810 case w/850 watt PS
    >
    > Phoenix Bios PO6 / NVIDIA Bios Version 2.053 D8
    >
    > No upgraded BIOS/ Everything in BIOS is default except the boot order
    >
    >
    >
    > Note that with the total 8 Gig of memory I had the "normal"
    > problem of not being able to install Windows until I had stripped the
    > memory down to only 4 Gigs in the first 2 slots. Installation went OK
    > with only 2 sticks of memory, but I needed to do a repair installation a
    > couple of times to remedy a "forever boot" that included a full completion
    > of POST to FF. All memory tests good in the first 2 slots and system
    > actually seems a little snappier with only 4 Gig installed, but then I put
    > the other 4 Gig in and developed into the following.
    >
    > System now occasionally boots and runs properly, but more
    > often, boots to desktop, takes over a minute to find my DSL internet
    > connection and then the following:
    >
    > 1. Runs a couple of short tasks and then hangs with an
    > application not responding indication in any application that may be
    > running at the time. Sometimes this happens immediately, sometimes one
    > application will hang while others continue. Sometimes all applications
    > will hang and then sporadically continue. Frustration then gets me to
    > reset after a few minutes. Sometimes, however, the applications will pick
    > up and run normally for the rest of the nite.
    >
    > 2. Bottom line is that the system is most always flakey
    > when its first turned on and stays flakey til its warmed up. This warm-up
    > period may take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour, but once its warmed
    > up, it will run well until secured for the day. If I light off Task
    > Manager first, before the flakiness starts, I can tell that CPU activity
    > goes to essentially zero during the periods of hang-up. Usually the mouse
    > remains active along with the ability to move windows around - but not
    > always.
    >
    >
    >
    > The issue is probably hardware related, but I have gone way
    > past to time when I cannot RMA any of the parts. I could still turn in
    > the 780i on an upgrade for another couple of weeks, but its really unclear
    > if my problem is the motherboard (my prime suspect), the hard disk or the
    > operating system. I'm rather afraid to upgrade the BIOS due to the
    > problems I read about here and the issue doesn't seem to be something that
    > would be helped by that anyway.
    >
    >
    >
    > Any suggestions or magic spells would be most welcome.
    >
    >
    >
    > Tom
    >

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  5. #5


    Tom Guest

    Re: Vista 64 System needs Extended warm-up

    Thanks folks;



    Note that troubleshooting this kind of problem takes a little time as once
    the system is warmed up sufficiently, it starts to work OK.

    OK, here are my results thus far.



    1. My memory voltage specs are 1.8 to 1.9 with the auto
    value set to 1.85. The speed specs are 5-5-5-15. The auto value shown in
    the bios matches these speed values. Per your suggestion I increased the
    memory voltage first to 1.875and the to 1.9 with no change in symptoms.
    Then upped SPP (whatever that means) from 1.3 to 1.35 with the memory
    voltage back down to 1.85, then 1.875, then 1.9 all with not change in
    symptoms.



    2. Since this may be a memory problem and I WAS able to get
    the operating system installed only after removing 2 of my 4 DIMMs I
    returned the memory voltage and the SPP voltage to the auto values and first
    removed one set of DDR2 memory and then the other, cycling both 4 Gig sets
    through first slots zero & one and then slots two & three. No change in
    symptoms although the system did seem a little snappier with 4 Gig installed
    than with 8 Gig.



    3. Through all of this, I eventually noticed that when the
    system appears to be hung and the applications are not responding, the hard
    disk activity light would flash periodically at an almost exactly once per
    second rate. When the system was getting ready to respond, the hard disk
    activity light would start flashing irregularly or go on steady indicating a
    different level of activity. Since I was in the box anyway at this point, I
    moved the hard disk SATA cable from position 1 to position 5 on the mother
    board. Shucks, no change.



    4. Does all of this mean I have a flakey hard disk?

    Tom


    "Tom" <(remove)mrtsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:856F00F2-DB17-4C23-80A1-F0AA43F3E3A0@xxxxxx

    > Hello All;
    >
    >
    >
    > I have a new build (Late October) with a problem unlike any
    > I have seen on any of the forums.
    >
    >
    >
    > MB EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 NF780i SLI / 15.23 drivers
    >
    > VGA ZOTAC ZT-98XES2P-FCP 9800GTX RT
    >
    > CPU INTEL Q9550 2.83 775 12M
    >
    > MEM 2ea 2GX2 GSK F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ
    >
    > HD 640G ST 7K 32M ST3640323AS
    >
    > MS WIN VISTA ULTIMATE SP1 64 BIT
    >
    > Coolermaster 810 case w/850 watt PS
    >
    > Phoenix Bios PO6 / NVIDIA Bios Version 2.053 D8
    >
    > No upgraded BIOS/ Everything in BIOS is default except the boot order
    >
    >
    >
    > Note that with the total 8 Gig of memory I had the "normal"
    > problem of not being able to install Windows until I had stripped the
    > memory down to only 4 Gigs in the first 2 slots. Installation went OK
    > with only 2 sticks of memory, but I needed to do a repair installation a
    > couple of times to remedy a "forever boot" that included a full completion
    > of POST to FF. All memory tests good in the first 2 slots and system
    > actually seems a little snappier with only 4 Gig installed, but then I put
    > the other 4 Gig in and developed into the following.
    >
    > System now occasionally boots and runs properly, but more
    > often, boots to desktop, takes over a minute to find my DSL internet
    > connection and then the following:
    >
    > 1. Runs a couple of short tasks and then hangs with an
    > application not responding indication in any application that may be
    > running at the time. Sometimes this happens immediately, sometimes one
    > application will hang while others continue. Sometimes all applications
    > will hang and then sporadically continue. Frustration then gets me to
    > reset after a few minutes. Sometimes, however, the applications will pick
    > up and run normally for the rest of the nite.
    >
    > 2. Bottom line is that the system is most always flakey
    > when its first turned on and stays flakey til its warmed up. This warm-up
    > period may take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour, but once its warmed
    > up, it will run well until secured for the day. If I light off Task
    > Manager first, before the flakiness starts, I can tell that CPU activity
    > goes to essentially zero during the periods of hang-up. Usually the mouse
    > remains active along with the ability to move windows around - but not
    > always.
    >
    >
    >
    > The issue is probably hardware related, but I have gone way
    > past to time when I cannot RMA any of the parts. I could still turn in
    > the 780i on an upgrade for another couple of weeks, but its really unclear
    > if my problem is the motherboard (my prime suspect), the hard disk or the
    > operating system. I'm rather afraid to upgrade the BIOS due to the
    > problems I read about here and the issue doesn't seem to be something that
    > would be helped by that anyway.
    >
    >
    >
    > Any suggestions or magic spells would be most welcome.
    >
    >
    >
    > Tom
    >

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  6. #6


    the wharf rat Guest

    Re: Vista 64 System needs Extended warm-up

    In article <21D7ED7C-9FF5-4AF5-9C8B-C0A6AAE5D97B@xxxxxx>,
    Tom <(remove)mrtsquare@xxxxxx> wrote:

    >
    >
    > 2. Since this may be a memory problem and I WAS able to get
    >the operating system installed only after removing 2 of my 4 DIMMs I
    >returned the memory voltage and the SPP voltage to the auto values and first
    >removed one set of DDR2 memory and then the other, cycling both 4 Gig sets
    >through first slots zero & one and then slots two & three. No change in
    >symptoms although the system did seem a little snappier with 4 Gig installed
    >than with 8 Gig.
    >
    Ummmm check your motherboard manufacturer's detailed specs. Lots
    of times even though a board has say 4 slots it can't support 4 fully
    populated slots. Doesn't have enough power.


      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  7. #7


    Tom Guest

    Re: Vista 64 System needs Extended warm-up


    "the wharf rat" <wrat@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:ghsd4a$oi7$1@xxxxxx

    > In article <21D7ED7C-9FF5-4AF5-9C8B-C0A6AAE5D97B@xxxxxx>,
    > Tom <(remove)mrtsquare@xxxxxx> wrote:

    >>
    >>
    >> 2. Since this may be a memory problem and I WAS able to
    >> get
    >>the operating system installed only after removing 2 of my 4 DIMMs I
    >>returned the memory voltage and the SPP voltage to the auto values and
    >>first
    >>removed one set of DDR2 memory and then the other, cycling both 4 Gig sets
    >>through first slots zero & one and then slots two & three. No change in
    >>symptoms although the system did seem a little snappier with 4 Gig
    >>installed
    >>than with 8 Gig.
    >>
    >
    > Ummmm check your motherboard manufacturer's detailed specs. Lots
    > of times even though a board has say 4 slots it can't support 4 fully
    > populated slots. Doesn't have enough power.
    >
    Thought about that since I couldn't get the OS installed with all 4 DIMMs.
    Had to cut to 4Gig vice 8 Gig.. Note that I went back to the 2 DIMMs and
    tried with the same results.

    Thanks,

    Tom


      My System SpecsSystem Spec


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