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Old 02-25-2009   #1 (permalink)
M Skabialka


 
 

How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

A friend found out that I have a Vista computer so he brought me his wife's
computer to find out why it is so slow. I have no problems with mine but
this Vista Home Basic PC is ungodly slow. Just to open an Explorer window
takes over 90 seconds. I scheduled a checkdisk and ran it on the next
reboot. I defragged and ran the disk cleanup wizard. I downloaded and
reinstalled the ATI video drivers after seeing an eror message about ATI.
It is slightly faster but not enough to make any difference to the user.
Where do I find the diagnostics, or logs or something that can tell me what
is slowing it down so that I can fix it? I couldn't find a diagnostic on
the eMachine site. My last option will be to reformat and start over but
I'd rather not do that if there is a way to fix it instead. It's an
eMachine with only 512 MB RAM, but it did run much faster when new. Intel
Pentium 3.0 GHz, 160 GB HDD. Also the wireless card is very slow, but the
wired connection is pretty fast for downloading.
Mich



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Old 02-25-2009   #2 (permalink)
Saucy


 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

"M Skabialka" <mskabialka@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:esdhDO1lJHA.2460@xxxxxx
Quote:

>A friend found out that I have a Vista computer so he brought me his wife's
>computer to find out why it is so slow. I have no problems with mine but
>this Vista Home Basic PC is ungodly slow. Just to open an Explorer window
>takes over 90 seconds. I scheduled a checkdisk and ran it on the next
>reboot. I defragged and ran the disk cleanup wizard. I downloaded and
>reinstalled the ATI video drivers after seeing an eror message about ATI.
> It is slightly faster but not enough to make any difference to the user.
> Where do I find the diagnostics, or logs or something that can tell me
> what is slowing it down so that I can fix it? I couldn't find a
> diagnostic on the eMachine site. My last option will be to reformat and
> start over but I'd rather not do that if there is a way to fix it instead.
> It's an eMachine with only 512 MB RAM, but it did run much faster when
> new. Intel Pentium 3.0 GHz, 160 GB HDD. Also the wireless card is very
> slow, but the wired connection is pretty fast for downloading.
> Mich
>

The computer doesn't really have enough RAM. That said:

There's more than one possible reason for a slow down. Malware ( virus,
spyware etc. etc. ) is a common cause of slow down. Do a virus and spyware
scans.

Another cause is that there might be too many programs running in the
background. You can use msconfig to stop some of these programs from
running. Requires a reboot:

Start > in the "Start Search" edit box type in "msconfig" when it appears at
the top of the Start menu click on it > go to the "Startup" tab > uncheck
any unneeded programs (if you aren't sure use a web search engine to
discover what they are) > click any OKs > the computer will have to be
rebooted for the new settings to take effect.

Note: A technician can also edit the "Run" key in the registry to stop
programs from running when the computer boots up. As well, there are third
party programs that can be used to 'tweak' Windows. One program in
particular that focuses on "junk" programs is:

[The PC Decrapifier]
http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/home

Also note: These days, 512MB of RAM is substantially insufficient. The
computer should have at least 1GB RAM for running Windows Vista and
programs. The "sweet spot" is 2GB RAM. My laptop (running Vista) felt slow
with 1GB of RAM. After I switch out to 2GB RAM it ran much better.

Saucy

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-25-2009   #3 (permalink)
Tyro


 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

You can control the running all of startup programs easily with sysinternals
autoruns available at MS.

Tyro

"Saucy" <saucylemon@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O$yUJd1lJHA.3380@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:esdhDO1lJHA.2460@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>A friend found out that I have a Vista computer so he brought me his
>>wife's computer to find out why it is so slow. I have no problems with
>>mine but this Vista Home Basic PC is ungodly slow. Just to open an
>>Explorer window takes over 90 seconds. I scheduled a checkdisk and ran it
>>on the next reboot. I defragged and ran the disk cleanup wizard. I
>>downloaded and reinstalled the ATI video drivers after seeing an eror
>>message about ATI.
>> It is slightly faster but not enough to make any difference to the user.
>> Where do I find the diagnostics, or logs or something that can tell me
>> what is slowing it down so that I can fix it? I couldn't find a
>> diagnostic on the eMachine site. My last option will be to reformat and
>> start over but I'd rather not do that if there is a way to fix it
>> instead. It's an eMachine with only 512 MB RAM, but it did run much
>> faster when new. Intel Pentium 3.0 GHz, 160 GB HDD. Also the wireless
>> card is very slow, but the wired connection is pretty fast for
>> downloading.
>> Mich
>>
>
>
> The computer doesn't really have enough RAM. That said:
>
> There's more than one possible reason for a slow down. Malware ( virus,
> spyware etc. etc. ) is a common cause of slow down. Do a virus and spyware
> scans.
>
> Another cause is that there might be too many programs running in the
> background. You can use msconfig to stop some of these programs from
> running. Requires a reboot:
>
> Start > in the "Start Search" edit box type in "msconfig" when it appears
> at the top of the Start menu click on it > go to the "Startup" tab >
> uncheck any unneeded programs (if you aren't sure use a web search engine
> to discover what they are) > click any OKs > the computer will have to be
> rebooted for the new settings to take effect.
>
> Note: A technician can also edit the "Run" key in the registry to stop
> programs from running when the computer boots up. As well, there are third
> party programs that can be used to 'tweak' Windows. One program in
> particular that focuses on "junk" programs is:
>
> [The PC Decrapifier]
> http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/home
>
> Also note: These days, 512MB of RAM is substantially insufficient. The
> computer should have at least 1GB RAM for running Windows Vista and
> programs. The "sweet spot" is 2GB RAM. My laptop (running Vista) felt slow
> with 1GB of RAM. After I switch out to 2GB RAM it ran much better.
>
> Saucy
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Old 02-25-2009   #4 (permalink)
M Skabialka


 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

But how would I know what to turn off? Some applications have very obscure
names - I might end up shutting down something essential. Same with
msconfig - I've never seen this computer before so don't really know what
should be there vs junk that was added by the manufacturer or downloaded
from an email or something. And the owner doesn't really know either.
However I will start with the malware scan and see what that picks up...

"Tyro" <Tyro@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ajdpl.12806$8_3.1700@xxxxxx
Quote:

> You can control the running all of startup programs easily with
> sysinternals autoruns available at MS.
>
> Tyro
>
> "Saucy" <saucylemon@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:O$yUJd1lJHA.3380@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> "M Skabialka" <mskabialka@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:esdhDO1lJHA.2460@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>A friend found out that I have a Vista computer so he brought me his
>>>wife's computer to find out why it is so slow. I have no problems with
>>>mine but this Vista Home Basic PC is ungodly slow. Just to open an
>>>Explorer window takes over 90 seconds. I scheduled a checkdisk and ran
>>>it on the next reboot. I defragged and ran the disk cleanup wizard. I
>>>downloaded and reinstalled the ATI video drivers after seeing an eror
>>>message about ATI.
>>> It is slightly faster but not enough to make any difference to the user.
>>> Where do I find the diagnostics, or logs or something that can tell me
>>> what is slowing it down so that I can fix it? I couldn't find a
>>> diagnostic on the eMachine site. My last option will be to reformat and
>>> start over but I'd rather not do that if there is a way to fix it
>>> instead. It's an eMachine with only 512 MB RAM, but it did run much
>>> faster when new. Intel Pentium 3.0 GHz, 160 GB HDD. Also the wireless
>>> card is very slow, but the wired connection is pretty fast for
>>> downloading.
>>> Mich
>>>
>>
>>
>> The computer doesn't really have enough RAM. That said:
>>
>> There's more than one possible reason for a slow down. Malware ( virus,
>> spyware etc. etc. ) is a common cause of slow down. Do a virus and
>> spyware scans.
>>
>> Another cause is that there might be too many programs running in the
>> background. You can use msconfig to stop some of these programs from
>> running. Requires a reboot:
>>
>> Start > in the "Start Search" edit box type in "msconfig" when it appears
>> at the top of the Start menu click on it > go to the "Startup" tab >
>> uncheck any unneeded programs (if you aren't sure use a web search engine
>> to discover what they are) > click any OKs > the computer will have to be
>> rebooted for the new settings to take effect.
>>
>> Note: A technician can also edit the "Run" key in the registry to stop
>> programs from running when the computer boots up. As well, there are
>> third party programs that can be used to 'tweak' Windows. One program in
>> particular that focuses on "junk" programs is:
>>
>> [The PC Decrapifier]
>> http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/home
>>
>> Also note: These days, 512MB of RAM is substantially insufficient. The
>> computer should have at least 1GB RAM for running Windows Vista and
>> programs. The "sweet spot" is 2GB RAM. My laptop (running Vista) felt
>> slow with 1GB of RAM. After I switch out to 2GB RAM it ran much better.
>>
>> Saucy
>

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Old 02-25-2009   #5 (permalink)
Saucy


 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

"M Skabialka" <mskabialka@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23WqcQj2lJHA.1168@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Same with msconfig - I've never seen this computer before so don't really
> know what should be there vs junk that was added by the manufacturer or
> downloaded from an email or something. And the owner doesn't really know
> either. However I will start with the malware scan and see what that picks
> up...
>
Enter the various item names into a search engine and check with the
results. If you cannot determine whether an item can be safely unchecked
after that then leave it.

Note: Before playing with settings create a Restore Point. You might also
consider creating a backup.

Saucy

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-25-2009   #6 (permalink)
+Bob+


 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:47:56 -0600, "M Skabialka"
<mskabialka@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>But how would I know what to turn off? Some applications have very obscure
>names - I might end up shutting down something essential. Same with
>msconfig - I've never seen this computer before so don't really know what
>should be there vs junk that was added by the manufacturer or downloaded
>from an email or something. And the owner doesn't really know either.
>However I will start with the malware scan and see what that picks up...
Try downloading "process explorer" from sysinternals.com (MS
approved).

Run it and see what is taking up the CPU, memory, or disk performance.
Report back on what is hitting the top of the charts. If it's that
slow, then there is something working hard.

FWIW - 512K is way too little memory. You can at least get another
512K chip dirt cheap. Do it.

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Old 02-25-2009   #7 (permalink)
Malke


 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

M Skabialka wrote:
Quote:

> But how would I know what to turn off? Some applications have very
> obscure
> names - I might end up shutting down something essential. Same with
> msconfig - I've never seen this computer before so don't really know what
> should be there vs junk that was added by the manufacturer or downloaded
> from an email or something. And the owner doesn't really know either.
> However I will start with the malware scan and see what that picks up...
Very good question. You either Google the names, spend a *lot* of time
diagnosing this, or make the better choice: tell your friend to take the
machine to a competent local computer tech and have *them* do it. If you go
this route, I don't recommend using a BigComputerStore/GeekSquad type of
place.

Best of luck,

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

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Old 02-25-2009   #8 (permalink)
M Skabialka


 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

They consider me the "competent local computer tech" as I have been setting
up their computers and transferring files to new ones for years. However my
Vista Ultimate computer that I built myself works like a dream, so I have no
experience in diagnosing Vista Home Basic problems.

"Malke" <malke@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:u0ysmx3lJHA.2064@xxxxxx
Quote:

>M Skabialka wrote:
>
Quote:

>> But how would I know what to turn off? Some applications have very
>> obscure
>> names - I might end up shutting down something essential. Same with
>> msconfig - I've never seen this computer before so don't really know what
>> should be there vs junk that was added by the manufacturer or downloaded
>> from an email or something. And the owner doesn't really know either.
>> However I will start with the malware scan and see what that picks up...
>
> Very good question. You either Google the names, spend a *lot* of time
> diagnosing this, or make the better choice: tell your friend to take the
> machine to a competent local computer tech and have *them* do it. If you
> go
> this route, I don't recommend using a BigComputerStore/GeekSquad type of
> place.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>

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Old 02-25-2009   #9 (permalink)
Malke


 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

M Skabialka wrote:
Quote:

> They consider me the "competent local computer tech" as I have been
> setting
> up their computers and transferring files to new ones for years. However
> my Vista Ultimate computer that I built myself works like a dream, so I
> have no experience in diagnosing Vista Home Basic problems.
It's no different than diagnosing any other Windows operating system
slowness issues. Check for malware, optimize the system, make sure the
hardware is good (enough RAM), etc.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-25-2009   #10 (permalink)


Vista x64 Ultimate SP2, Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Re: How do I diagnose a slow Vista Home Basic machine?

Hello Mich,

You might try these items to see how much they can improve the computer's performance.

Speed Up the Performance of Vista

Hope this helps,
Shawn

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by M Skabialka View Post
A friend found out that I have a Vista computer so he brought me his wife's
computer to find out why it is so slow. I have no problems with mine but
this Vista Home Basic PC is ungodly slow. Just to open an Explorer window
takes over 90 seconds. I scheduled a checkdisk and ran it on the next
reboot. I defragged and ran the disk cleanup wizard. I downloaded and
reinstalled the ATI video drivers after seeing an eror message about ATI.
It is slightly faster but not enough to make any difference to the user.
Where do I find the diagnostics, or logs or something that can tell me what
is slowing it down so that I can fix it? I couldn't find a diagnostic on
the eMachine site. My last option will be to reformat and start over but
I'd rather not do that if there is a way to fix it instead. It's an
eMachine with only 512 MB RAM, but it did run much faster when new. Intel
Pentium 3.0 GHz, 160 GB HDD. Also the wireless card is very slow, but the
wired connection is pretty fast for downloading.
Mich
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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