You must be kidding...RC2 rant/question...

So let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
last week are just out of luck for RC2????

How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even get RC2??

you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very limited
time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or something.
not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous build, who
cares?

<DIV>&quot;ntgeek&quot; &lt;ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com&gt; wrote in
message news:1A777660-E804-4CDF-BEB3-3DF40C32F48D@microsoft.com...</DIV>> So
let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
> last week are just out of luck for RC2????
>
> How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even get
> RC2??

MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
subscription just for this reason!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.



"moto" wrote:

> you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very limited
> time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or something.
> not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous build, who
> cares?
>
> <DIV>"ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:1A777660-E804-4CDF-BEB3-3DF40C32F48D@microsoft.com...</DIV>> So
> let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
> > last week are just out of luck for RC2????
> >
> > How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even get
> > RC2??
>

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 23:02:01 +0100, ntgeek
<ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
> subscription just for this reason!!!
>
> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
>

Agreed MSDN folks really need to get their sh1t together, it's very slow
paced...

WHAT?!? ONE BLOODY WEEK!? Did the MSDN subscribers get email on this??? I
didn't get any email saying to download the RC2!? WTF??? (My company also
pays for a subscription just for this reason)


"ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news6A5AC74-7E4F-457D-BC1B-9BE8C8247316@microsoft.com...
> MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
> subscription just for this reason!!!
>
> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
>
>
>
> "moto" wrote:
>
>> you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very
>> limited
>> time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or
>> something.
>> not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous build,
>> who
>> cares?
>>
>> <DIV>"ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message news:1A777660-E804-4CDF-BEB3-3DF40C32F48D@microsoft.com...</DIV>>
>> So
>> let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
>> > last week are just out of luck for RC2????
>> >
>> > How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even
>> > get
>> > RC2??
>>

There is no law against getting a Beta build from a Torrent. It is exactly
legal. LOL what confused people as to law.

CH


"moto" <none> wrote in message
news:F78B0667-952E-46C6-9205-7FB6F29C20F4@microsoft.com...
> you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very limited
> time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or
> something. not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous
> build, who cares?
>
> <DIV>&quot;ntgeek&quot; &lt;ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com&gt; wrote in
> message news:1A777660-E804-4CDF-BEB3-3DF40C32F48D@microsoft.com...</DIV>>
> So let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
>> last week are just out of luck for RC2????
>>
>> How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even get
>> RC2??
>

Geez already just go get it if you're that impatient. It's not that much
different.

Or wait.

CH


"Mike" <weapon_x22@remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3E2F6C47-21F9-4777-93A7-A3A4614C3E51@microsoft.com...
> WHAT?!? ONE BLOODY WEEK!? Did the MSDN subscribers get email on this??? I
> didn't get any email saying to download the RC2!? WTF??? (My company also
> pays for a subscription just for this reason)
>
>
> "ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news6A5AC74-7E4F-457D-BC1B-9BE8C8247316@microsoft.com...
>> MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
>> subscription just for this reason!!!
>>
>> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
>>
>>
>>
>> "moto" wrote:
>>
>>> you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very
>>> limited
>>> time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or
>>> something.
>>> not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous build,
>>> who
>>> cares?
>>>
>>> <DIV>"ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:1A777660-E804-4CDF-BEB3-3DF40C32F48D@microsoft.com...</DIV>> So
>>> let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
>>> > last week are just out of luck for RC2????
>>> >
>>> > How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even
>>> > get
>>> > RC2??
>>>
>

Put yourself in his shoes and see how you feel.

"Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
news:Ow0vyqA7GHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Geez already just go get it if you're that impatient. It's not that much
> different.
>
> Or wait.
>
> CH
>
>
> "Mike" <weapon_x22@remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3E2F6C47-21F9-4777-93A7-A3A4614C3E51@microsoft.com...
>> WHAT?!? ONE BLOODY WEEK!? Did the MSDN subscribers get email on this??? I
>> didn't get any email saying to download the RC2!? WTF??? (My company also
>> pays for a subscription just for this reason)
>>
>>
>> "ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news6A5AC74-7E4F-457D-BC1B-9BE8C8247316@microsoft.com...
>>> MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
>>> subscription just for this reason!!!
>>>
>>> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "moto" wrote:
>>>
>>>> you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very
>>>> limited
>>>> time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or
>>>> something.
>>>> not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous build,
>>>> who
>>>> cares?
>>>>
>>>> <DIV>"ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:1A777660-E804-4CDF-BEB3-3DF40C32F48D@microsoft.com...</DIV>> So
>>>> let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
>>>> > last week are just out of luck for RC2????
>>>> >
>>>> > How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even
>>>> > get
>>>> > RC2??
>>>>
>>
>
>

I always put myself in his shoes. It's been part of my regular profession
for years to do that. But I also have watched Vista evolve, fall way short
of the mark, see the same large issues not fixed for months and RTMing so
it's just not that big a deal nor that big a difference in the last few
builds frankly and I've drilled every one of the builds.

The Sinofsky erra is a lot more about selling than about the quality of the
product. I hope that attitude will result in the feedback that sales drop.

The saga of Cori Hartje and her goofey SPP (Software Protection Platform) is
going to be fun to watch in the Courts showing that sometimes Ray Ozzie,
Balmer and their plodding attorneys Jane Anderson and her boss Brad Smith
sign off on things that will spawn some large settlement agreements and pay
a lot of opposing attorney legal fees.

Whatever possessed MSFT to think they could force software updates onto
someone's computer in order to use their operating system and server is
beyond the pale, particularly when they have showcased a distinct lack of
ability to write code for WGA that hasn't screwed up widely 60 ways to
Christmas. Having stepped over the mark of simply harassing their
customers, MSFT has plunged itself into another losing legal fiasco much the
way the Bush government has plunged itself into the one in Iraq.

It is delusional to think you can get away with software that you force onto
computers that will shut down people's Vista and Longhorn server when you
aren't competent enough to write software that can correctly ID pirated
copies.

The workarounds will be numerous to block this illegal and eggregious afront
to customers and the class action suits will hit federal district courts
soon.

Comments are pouring in from Authors and MVPs on "SPP" and all of them are
critical of MSFT:
http://news.com.com/Vista+Views+Putt...21.html?tag=nl


The support for the public has been the lowest quality possible, Convergys
of Ohio not MSFT at all for years and it hasn't budged an inch. It is the
dirty little secret not one MSFT employee ever wants to discuss. In every
post I made helping people to get RC2 I made it clear they would pull it
because although Redmond MSFT hasn't learned the Jobs mistique of marketing,
they do public Betas primarily for sales since they could care less about
public feedback and don't even allow the public to access bug reports on
Connect.

OEM named partners are gearing up to ship fraudulent so-called Recovery
discs that can't access these screens and Startup Repair won't see the light
of day from the crappy and worthless recovery discs and partitions as MSFT
and OEM Name Partners (not system builders) crank up another 6 years of "I
can't fix my Vista because I don't hae the DVD"



http://blogs.itecn.net/photos/liuhui...4/500x375.aspx


http://content.answers.com/main/cont...m_Recovery.png


They withold their major article writing until long after Vista RTMS if then
in an environment where third party software and driver manufacture tags
along behind Vista RTM and launch like a 3 legged puppy.

CH


"PowerUser" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:eSsk9iC7GHA.4604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Put yourself in his shoes and see how you feel.
>
> "Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
> news:Ow0vyqA7GHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Geez already just go get it if you're that impatient. It's not that much
>> different.
>>
>> Or wait.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>> "Mike" <weapon_x22@remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:3E2F6C47-21F9-4777-93A7-A3A4614C3E51@microsoft.com...
>>> WHAT?!? ONE BLOODY WEEK!? Did the MSDN subscribers get email on this???
>>> I didn't get any email saying to download the RC2!? WTF??? (My company
>>> also pays for a subscription just for this reason)
>>>
>>>
>>> "ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news6A5AC74-7E4F-457D-BC1B-9BE8C8247316@microsoft.com...
>>>> MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
>>>> subscription just for this reason!!!
>>>>
>>>> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "moto" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very
>>>>> limited
>>>>> time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or
>>>>> something.
>>>>> not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous build,
>>>>> who
>>>>> cares?
>>>>>
>>>>> <DIV>"ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>> news:1A777660-E804-4CDF-BEB3-3DF40C32F48D@microsoft.com...</DIV>> So
>>>>> let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on business
>>>>> > last week are just out of luck for RC2????
>>>>> >
>>>>> > How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't even
>>>>> > get
>>>>> > RC2??
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Gee, Chad, ya think this guy wears size 38 shoes? Cause you sure did fill
them... LOL...

No offense intended... ;-D

Lang

"Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
news:e65Z7lD7GHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I always put myself in his shoes. It's been part of my regular profession
>for years to do that. But I also have watched Vista evolve, fall way short
>of the mark, see the same large issues not fixed for months and RTMing so
>it's just not that big a deal nor that big a difference in the last few
>builds frankly and I've drilled every one of the builds.
>
> The Sinofsky erra is a lot more about selling than about the quality of
> the product. I hope that attitude will result in the feedback that sales
> drop.
>
> The saga of Cori Hartje and her goofey SPP (Software Protection Platform)
> is going to be fun to watch in the Courts showing that sometimes Ray
> Ozzie, Balmer and their plodding attorneys Jane Anderson and her boss Brad
> Smith sign off on things that will spawn some large settlement agreements
> and pay a lot of opposing attorney legal fees.
>
> Whatever possessed MSFT to think they could force software updates onto
> someone's computer in order to use their operating system and server is
> beyond the pale, particularly when they have showcased a distinct lack of
> ability to write code for WGA that hasn't screwed up widely 60 ways to
> Christmas. Having stepped over the mark of simply harassing their
> customers, MSFT has plunged itself into another losing legal fiasco much
> the way the Bush government has plunged itself into the one in Iraq.
>
> It is delusional to think you can get away with software that you force
> onto computers that will shut down people's Vista and Longhorn server
> when you aren't competent enough to write software that can correctly ID
> pirated copies.
>
> The workarounds will be numerous to block this illegal and eggregious
> afront to customers and the class action suits will hit federal district
> courts soon.
>
> Comments are pouring in from Authors and MVPs on "SPP" and all of them
> are critical of MSFT:
> http://news.com.com/Vista+Views+Putt...21.html?tag=nl
>
>
> The support for the public has been the lowest quality possible, Convergys
> of Ohio not MSFT at all for years and it hasn't budged an inch. It is the
> dirty little secret not one MSFT employee ever wants to discuss. In every
> post I made helping people to get RC2 I made it clear they would pull it
> because although Redmond MSFT hasn't learned the Jobs mistique of
> marketing, they do public Betas primarily for sales since they could care
> less about public feedback and don't even allow the public to access bug
> reports on Connect.
>
> OEM named partners are gearing up to ship fraudulent so-called Recovery
> discs that can't access these screens and Startup Repair won't see the
> light of day from the crappy and worthless recovery discs and partitions
> as MSFT and OEM Name Partners (not system builders) crank up another 6
> years of "I can't fix my Vista because I don't hae the DVD"
>
>
>
> http://blogs.itecn.net/photos/liuhui...4/500x375.aspx
>
>
> http://content.answers.com/main/cont...m_Recovery.png
>
>
> They withold their major article writing until long after Vista RTMS if
> then in an environment where third party software and driver manufacture
> tags along behind Vista RTM and launch like a 3 legged puppy.
>
> CH
>
>
> "PowerUser" <a@b.com> wrote in message
> news:eSsk9iC7GHA.4604@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Put yourself in his shoes and see how you feel.
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ow0vyqA7GHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Geez already just go get it if you're that impatient. It's not that much
>>> different.
>>>
>>> Or wait.
>>>
>>> CH
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike" <weapon_x22@remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3E2F6C47-21F9-4777-93A7-A3A4614C3E51@microsoft.com...
>>>> WHAT?!? ONE BLOODY WEEK!? Did the MSDN subscribers get email on this???
>>>> I didn't get any email saying to download the RC2!? WTF??? (My company
>>>> also pays for a subscription just for this reason)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news6A5AC74-7E4F-457D-BC1B-9BE8C8247316@microsoft.com...
>>>>> MAN! This really chaps me. The company I work for pays for an MSDN
>>>>> subscription just for this reason!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "moto" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> you got it right. MS made it available for a limited time, a very
>>>>>> limited
>>>>>> time. you might try downloading by other means...torrent site or
>>>>>> something.
>>>>>> not exactly legal. but if you have a legit key from a previous
>>>>>> build, who
>>>>>> cares?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <DIV>"ntgeek" <ntgeek@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> news:1A777660-E804-4CDF-BEB3-3DF40C32F48D@microsoft.com...</DIV>> So
>>>>>> let me get this straight, those of us who were out of town on
>>>>>> business
>>>>>> > last week are just out of luck for RC2????
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > How does this make sense?? I am an MSDN subscriber and I can't
>>>>>> > even get
>>>>>> > RC2??
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>