Vista - Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP

TedF wrot
....Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.

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WTF is "Western Knowledge"?
Frank

I meant I wanted to know how to disable hibernation. Thanks for the
attempt. I do not see hibernation in the list of shut-down options, so
perhaps it's already disabled, although there was 1.5GB of things for
hibernation with disk cleanup...
"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
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> I personally don't like Vista, but I don't dislike it either. I'm
> still experiencing a lot of problems with Vista at RC2. Search Indexer
> has crashed twice in the less than a week that I've had RC2, WMP11's still
> very slow and always eats 30% of my CPU just to play a song. (Thanks
> mfpmp.exe for eating 10% of it and DWM for another 10-15% - it always does
> this when WMP is open for some reason.) I can't network with the other
> computers in the house as Vista freezes up any time that I try to transfer
> something to another computer or Vista drops my Internet connection (which
> is LAN by the way - not WAN) anytime another computer access my network
> folder. Paint still has the same bug that I've had with it since Beta 2.
> When I save things to the desktop in this build, the icons for the saved
> items do not show up until I refresh the desktop. I think the disk
> defragmenter is less than decent - it doesn't even show you the progress
> or a legend. I also dislike the sound recorder - why did they downgrade
> it. I pre-schooler who didn't know how to read could use it - there's
> only one button. Oh well, I use Audacity for sound recording now anyway.
> Now if they could get most of these issues fixed with Vista by RTM
> (which I bet isn't far away at all) then I might be very happy with Vista.
> Knowing it's feature complete, I doubt the disk defragmenter and the sound
> recorder will be replaced by now. I will, however, be pretty upset if
> Microsoft releases Vista the way it is. I've seen quite a few people on
> here who have had too many troubles with RC2 and had better luck with RC1.
> The UAC does annoy me, but at least you can shut it off. I feel that
> customizing Vista is worse than customizing XP - there aren't as many
> options for some things such as hibernation - where can you disable it
> now? How can you change the amount of HD space system restore uses now? I
> can't seem to find them anymore. I even did a search for Hibernation in
> the search box in the control panel, and it came up with a result, but
> there was no option anywhere there for hibernation at all. Now I will say
> that this so called RC2 is actually only an interim release, so it's
> expected not be the greatest, but if it releases to store shelves and I
> can't get the networking to work, I will be pretty you know what. Out of
> the five builds of Vista I've tested, I've only seen two builds that did
> not have network problems - PreRC1 5536 and RC1 5600. I started having
> network problems in 5728 and this build.
> Now I'm not saying Vista is all bad - if they could get these
> approximately ten issues fixed, I would be pretty happy. If the network
> doesn't work - it won't be good.
> System Specs:
> Asus K8N motherboard (socket 754)
> -using onboard networking
> AMD Sempron 64 2800+ OC'd @ 1.8GHz (Windows Experience Index Rating - 3.7)
> 1.5GB of RAM (Windows Experience Index Rating - 4.1)
> Ati Radeon X1600 PRO AGP 8x - 256MB GDDR2 RAM (Windows Experience Index
> Rating - graphics - 4.4, gaming graphics - 4.9)
> WD 80GB 7200RPM 2MB cache IDE hard drive - XP
> WD 120GB 7200RPM 8MB cache IDE hard drive - Vista 32-bit Ultimate RC2 5744
> on 60GB partition (Windows Experience Index Rating - 5.0)
> Creative Audigy (5.1 24-bit)
>
> "Major Drunkdey" <MajorDrunkdey@URmil.org> wrote in message
> news:9u7oi2ddi76tlguto6b8545p6c9t6dshkq@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:15:26 -0700, "TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP.
>>>Wasn't impressed at all, it is a pile complicated
>>>junk.
>>>They took XP and tweaked it, moved many things around,
>>>thinking they can fool virus makers and hackers, made
>>>much harder for the user with many popup worthless
>>>security messages.
>>>I bet it will be very hard to clean if it does get infected
>>>with a virus or spyware, twenty times harder than XP.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately DELL, HP and all computer companies will
>>>be pushing and pimping the software for Microsoft.
>>>
>>>Say no to Vista, stupid if you say yes.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Boy, can you tell us what you don't like. Can you tell us what your
>> hardware is like. Are you trying the 32bit or 64bit.
>>
>> I think most of us think that it's quite good. I think it's better
>> than XP at the same stage of development. I think it takes more
>> hardware to run it, but what major OS upgrade hasn't needed A grade
>> hardware when it was released.
>>
>> If your trying to load it on your eMachine you bought from Kmart two
>> years ago, we understand your frustration....
>>
>> Major
>>
>

I think you forget that this is still a test platform. Yes, some things you
don't like will still be there, but most of the problems will be fixed.
Now, if you don't like Vista, uninstall it, set XP back up, and vow to never
buy Vista. I am sure there will still be support for XP for a long time,
heck, I still see support items for Win 98, and that was almost 10 years ago.
No one is saying you have to have Vista, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

"TedF" wrote:

> Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP.
> Wasn't impressed at all, it is a pile complicated
> junk.
> They took XP and tweaked it, moved many things around,
> thinking they can fool virus makers and hackers, made
> much harder for the user with many popup worthless
> security messages.
> I bet it will be very hard to clean if it does get infected
> with a virus or spyware, twenty times harder than XP.
>
> Unfortunately DELL, HP and all computer companies will
> be pushing and pimping the software for Microsoft.
>
> Say no to Vista, stupid if you say yes.
>
>
>

Travis, if you don't see Hibernation as an option in the dropdown list, then
it's already disabled. Did you use disk cleanup to remove the hibernation
file? If so, then it's disabled. Gone.

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)
"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
news:eiLz00N7GHA.200@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I meant I wanted to know how to disable hibernation. Thanks for the
>attempt. I do not see hibernation in the list of shut-down options, so
>perhaps it's already disabled, although there was 1.5GB of things for
>hibernation with disk cleanup...
> "Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Sh5udM7GHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I personally don't like Vista, but I don't dislike it either. I'm
>> still experiencing a lot of problems with Vista at RC2. Search Indexer
>> has crashed twice in the less than a week that I've had RC2, WMP11's
>> still very slow and always eats 30% of my CPU just to play a song.
>> (Thanks mfpmp.exe for eating 10% of it and DWM for another 10-15% - it
>> always does this when WMP is open for some reason.) I can't network with
>> the other computers in the house as Vista freezes up any time that I try
>> to transfer something to another computer or Vista drops my Internet
>> connection (which is LAN by the way - not WAN) anytime another computer
>> access my network folder. Paint still has the same bug that I've had
>> with it since Beta 2. When I save things to the desktop in this build,
>> the icons for the saved items do not show up until I refresh the desktop.
>> I think the disk defragmenter is less than decent - it doesn't even show
>> you the progress or a legend. I also dislike the sound recorder - why
>> did they downgrade it. I pre-schooler who didn't know how to read could
>> use it - there's only one button. Oh well, I use Audacity for sound
>> recording now anyway.
>> Now if they could get most of these issues fixed with Vista by RTM
>> (which I bet isn't far away at all) then I might be very happy with
>> Vista. Knowing it's feature complete, I doubt the disk defragmenter and
>> the sound recorder will be replaced by now. I will, however, be pretty
>> upset if Microsoft releases Vista the way it is. I've seen quite a few
>> people on here who have had too many troubles with RC2 and had better
>> luck with RC1. The UAC does annoy me, but at least you can shut it off.
>> I feel that customizing Vista is worse than customizing XP - there aren't
>> as many options for some things such as hibernation - where can you
>> disable it now? How can you change the amount of HD space system restore
>> uses now? I can't seem to find them anymore. I even did a search for
>> Hibernation in the search box in the control panel, and it came up with a
>> result, but there was no option anywhere there for hibernation at all.
>> Now I will say that this so called RC2 is actually only an interim
>> release, so it's expected not be the greatest, but if it releases to
>> store shelves and I can't get the networking to work, I will be pretty
>> you know what. Out of the five builds of Vista I've tested, I've only
>> seen two builds that did not have network problems - PreRC1 5536 and RC1
>> 5600. I started having network problems in 5728 and this build.
>> Now I'm not saying Vista is all bad - if they could get these
>> approximately ten issues fixed, I would be pretty happy. If the network
>> doesn't work - it won't be good.
>> System Specs:
>> Asus K8N motherboard (socket 754)
>> -using onboard networking
>> AMD Sempron 64 2800+ OC'd @ 1.8GHz (Windows Experience Index Rating -
>> 3.7)
>> 1.5GB of RAM (Windows Experience Index Rating - 4.1)
>> Ati Radeon X1600 PRO AGP 8x - 256MB GDDR2 RAM (Windows Experience Index
>> Rating - graphics - 4.4, gaming graphics - 4.9)
>> WD 80GB 7200RPM 2MB cache IDE hard drive - XP
>> WD 120GB 7200RPM 8MB cache IDE hard drive - Vista 32-bit Ultimate RC2
>> 5744 on 60GB partition (Windows Experience Index Rating - 5.0)
>> Creative Audigy (5.1 24-bit)
>>
>> "Major Drunkdey" <MajorDrunkdey@URmil.org> wrote in message
>> news:9u7oi2ddi76tlguto6b8545p6c9t6dshkq@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:15:26 -0700, "TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP.
>>>>Wasn't impressed at all, it is a pile complicated
>>>>junk.
>>>>They took XP and tweaked it, moved many things around,
>>>>thinking they can fool virus makers and hackers, made
>>>>much harder for the user with many popup worthless
>>>>security messages.
>>>>I bet it will be very hard to clean if it does get infected
>>>>with a virus or spyware, twenty times harder than XP.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately DELL, HP and all computer companies will
>>>>be pushing and pimping the software for Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>>Say no to Vista, stupid if you say yes.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Boy, can you tell us what you don't like. Can you tell us what your
>>> hardware is like. Are you trying the 32bit or 64bit.
>>>
>>> I think most of us think that it's quite good. I think it's better
>>> than XP at the same stage of development. I think it takes more
>>> hardware to run it, but what major OS upgrade hasn't needed A grade
>>> hardware when it was released.
>>>
>>> If your trying to load it on your eMachine you bought from Kmart two
>>> years ago, we understand your frustration....
>>>
>>> Major
>>>
>>
>

>I think you forget that this is still a test platform.
No I didn't, I just don't like all the new features, the extra
unnecessary security.
I don't like that non of the 3rd party software work on Vista,
they all need updating.

> Now, if you don't like Vista, uninstall it,
I bought a hard drive for it, all I have to do is format it.
I am not that stupid, to install a beta over my OS.

> I am sure there will still be support for XP for a long time,
That is not the point.
The point is I hate to see Microsoft go down the drain
and ruin good operating systems such as XP and Win98,
and replace them with this pile of junk. Which means future
operating system going to be worse.
I don't want to list all the things I don't like about it, because
we will be arguing for ever.



"Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CEB54393-25EB-49AA-9CCB-6C00147BA9F9@microsoft.com...
>I think you forget that this is still a test platform. Yes, some things you
> don't like will still be there, but most of the problems will be fixed.
> Now, if you don't like Vista, uninstall it, set XP back up, and vow to
> never
> buy Vista. I am sure there will still be support for XP for a long time,
> heck, I still see support items for Win 98, and that was almost 10 years
> ago.
> No one is saying you have to have Vista, if you don't like it, don't buy
> it.
>
> "TedF" wrote:
>
>> Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP.
>> Wasn't impressed at all, it is a pile complicated
>> junk.
>> They took XP and tweaked it, moved many things around,
>> thinking they can fool virus makers and hackers, made
>> much harder for the user with many popup worthless
>> security messages.
>> I bet it will be very hard to clean if it does get infected
>> with a virus or spyware, twenty times harder than XP.
>>
>> Unfortunately DELL, HP and all computer companies will
>> be pushing and pimping the software for Microsoft.
>>
>> Say no to Vista, stupid if you say yes.
>>
>>
>>

> WTF is "Western Knowledge"?

We do it different.

"Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
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> TedF wrot
> ...Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.
>
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>
> WTF is "Western Knowledge"?
> Frank

You know this from first hand experience? Have you been to India? Have you
met any Indian programmers? I haven't been to India but I have met a few
Indian programmers. They seemed the same as other programmers to me. Some
were good, some weren't. Are Russian programmers also inferior? How about
Brazilian programmers?

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


TedF wrote:
> No they are just starting from scratch.
> Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.
>
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:%23eG%23R9M7GHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> TedF wrote:
>>> Those inaccessible folders were never accessible
>>> by any antivirus software. You had to manually
>>> squeeze them out. Doubt very much antivirus companies
>>> are getting better, they are actually getting worse since
>>> they all outsource their programming to India.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Are Indian programmers inherently worse than other nationalities?
>>
>> --
>> Kerry
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca

TedF wrote:
> Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP.
> Wasn't impressed at all, it is a pile complicated
> junk.
> They took XP and tweaked it, moved many things around,
> thinking they can fool virus makers and hackers, made
> much harder for the user with many popup worthless
> security messages.
> I bet it will be very hard to clean if it does get infected
> with a virus or spyware, twenty times harder than XP.
>
> Unfortunately DELL, HP and all computer companies will
> be pushing and pimping the software for Microsoft.
>
> Say no to Vista, stupid if you say yes.
>
>


And the ignorant survive like roaches.

It has nothing to do where the person is from.
They lack the general knowledge and common sense
that we have.
India population is over one billion, and they haven't
accomplished 1/1000 of what we accomplished in the US.
If they were that good, then they would be way ahead of us.




"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:%23Cw9JaO7GHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> You know this from first hand experience? Have you been to India? Have you
> met any Indian programmers? I haven't been to India but I have met a few
> Indian programmers. They seemed the same as other programmers to me. Some
> were good, some weren't. Are Russian programmers also inferior? How about
> Brazilian programmers?
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> TedF wrote:
>> No they are just starting from scratch.
>> Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>> news:%23eG%23R9M7GHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> TedF wrote:
>>>> Those inaccessible folders were never accessible
>>>> by any antivirus software. You had to manually
>>>> squeeze them out. Doubt very much antivirus companies
>>>> are getting better, they are actually getting worse since
>>>> they all outsource their programming to India.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are Indian programmers inherently worse than other nationalities?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kerry
>>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>

TedF wrote:
>>WTF is "Western Knowledge"?
>
>
> We do it different.
>
> "Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
> news:unm4x0N7GHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>>TedF wrot
>>...Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.
>>
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>>
>>WTF is "Western Knowledge"?
>>Frank
>
>
>
Oh? I suggest you study the history of western civilization 101 before
you bet your life on that statement.
Frank