Vista - Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP

While I have never been to India I have travelled much of the world. Common
sense has nothing to do with wealth, technology, or culture. It has existed
in equal amounts every where I have been. I am quite sure this is true of
India as well. As for general knowledge it is just that, general. Most
Indians have general knowledge that you don't posses just as you have
general knowledge that they don't posses. Much of this general knowledge is
specific to the culture a person exists in. In any case we are not talking
about common sense or general knowledge. We are talking about the specific
knowledge of programming. Can you point me to some study that shows that
Indian programmers are not as good at programming as American programmers.
What about Canadian programmers? I am Canadian and was educated in Canada.
Am I a worse programmer than an American programmer? What about an Indian
programmer that has been educated in the US? I am quite confident that in
India as elsewhere the ratio of good to bad programmers follows the bell
curve. Given that the population is so much larger and there are a lot of
Indian programmers we can extrapolate that there actually must be more good
programmers in India than in the US.

I am done with this thread. You have proved yourself to be a biased,
prejudiced person.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


TedF wrote:
> It has nothing to do where the person is from.
> They lack the general knowledge and common sense
> that we have.
> India population is over one billion, and they haven't
> accomplished 1/1000 of what we accomplished in the US.
> If they were that good, then they would be way ahead of us.
>
>
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:%23Cw9JaO7GHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> You know this from first hand experience? Have you been to India?
>> Have you met any Indian programmers? I haven't been to India but I
>> have met a few Indian programmers. They seemed the same as other
>> programmers to me. Some were good, some weren't. Are Russian
>> programmers also inferior? How about Brazilian programmers?
>>
>> --
>> Kerry
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>
>> TedF wrote:
>>> No they are just starting from scratch.
>>> Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>> news:%23eG%23R9M7GHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> TedF wrote:
>>>>> Those inaccessible folders were never accessible
>>>>> by any antivirus software. You had to manually
>>>>> squeeze them out. Doubt very much antivirus companies
>>>>> are getting better, they are actually getting worse since
>>>>> they all outsource their programming to India.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are Indian programmers inherently worse than other nationalities?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kerry
>>>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca

Gee, how come that is not that common experience of several million people who are running it. I have a Gateway computer that I bought back in October 2002 and Vista runs just fine on it. Perhaps the 'pile of complicated junk' is your desktop computer. Why don't you crawl back into your little hole of your imaginary play world and let us go about contributing, even if it is a in a small way, to the overall quality of the next generation of Windows Operating System.

Will someone give this person a room for himself and a container of Lincoln Logs.

"TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote in message news:OjA0TmL7GHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP.
Wasn't impressed at all, it is a pile complicated
junk.
They took XP and tweaked it, moved many things around,
thinking they can fool virus makers and hackers, made
much harder for the user with many popup worthless
security messages.
I bet it will be very hard to clean if it does get infected
with a virus or spyware, twenty times harder than XP.

Unfortunately DELL, HP and all computer companies will
be pushing and pimping the software for Microsoft.

Say no to Vista, stupid if you say yes.

Have you considered that the reason for this might be a really crappy driver? Just because people put crap into their computer, that does not make Windows a piece of crap.
"TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote in message news:e8PX5lM7GHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
I have Dual core Intel with a very new motherboard.
Installation went very smooth, I have no hardware
problems, Using the 32 Bit.
Take it back, it has hard time recognizing my second
Network card network, it did for once then lost it
upon a reboot. XP was just as bad.
I just don't like the software, it is made for the
Geek Squad and computer companies to make money
trouble shooting and fixing it.


"Major Drunkdey" <MajorDrunkdey@URmil.org> wrote in message
news:9u7oi2ddi76tlguto6b8545p6c9t6dshkq@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:15:26 -0700, "TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote:
>
>>Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP.
>>Wasn't impressed at all, it is a pile complicated
>>junk.
>>They took XP and tweaked it, moved many things around,
>>thinking they can fool virus makers and hackers, made
>>much harder for the user with many popup worthless
>>security messages.
>>I bet it will be very hard to clean if it does get infected
>>with a virus or spyware, twenty times harder than XP.
>>
>>Unfortunately DELL, HP and all computer companies will
>>be pushing and pimping the software for Microsoft.
>>
>>Say no to Vista, stupid if you say yes.
>>
>
>
> Boy, can you tell us what you don't like. Can you tell us what your
> hardware is like. Are you trying the 32bit or 64bit.
>
> I think most of us think that it's quite good. I think it's better
> than XP at the same stage of development. I think it takes more
> hardware to run it, but what major OS upgrade hasn't needed A grade
> hardware when it was released.
>
> If your trying to load it on your eMachine you bought from Kmart two
> years ago, we understand your frustration....
>
> Major
>

Most Americans and Europeans lack 'Western Knowledge'. So what is your point?

"TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote in message news:OkrH7lN7GHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
No they are just starting from scratch.
Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.



"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:%23eG%23R9M7GHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> TedF wrote:
>> Those inaccessible folders were never accessible
>> by any antivirus software. You had to manually
>> squeeze them out. Doubt very much antivirus companies
>> are getting better, they are actually getting worse since
>> they all outsource their programming to India.
>>
>>
>
> Are Indian programmers inherently worse than other nationalities?
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>

So in your world, the young punks that walk around with their pants hanging down around their knees are bastions of 'Western Knowledge' because they live in the United States, while hard working, intelligent people in India, whose education system is modeled on the English model, are inferior?

"TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote in message news:OkrH7lN7GHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
No they are just starting from scratch.
Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.



"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:%23eG%23R9M7GHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> TedF wrote:
>> Those inaccessible folders were never accessible
>> by any antivirus software. You had to manually
>> squeeze them out. Doubt very much antivirus companies
>> are getting better, they are actually getting worse since
>> they all outsource their programming to India.
>>
>>
>
> Are Indian programmers inherently worse than other nationalities?
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>

You are as ignorant and your are foolish.

"TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote in message news:%2333Qu0O7GHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
It has nothing to do where the person is from.
They lack the general knowledge and common sense
that we have.
India population is over one billion, and they haven't
accomplished 1/1000 of what we accomplished in the US.
If they were that good, then they would be way ahead of us.




"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:%23Cw9JaO7GHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> You know this from first hand experience? Have you been to India? Have you
> met any Indian programmers? I haven't been to India but I have met a few
> Indian programmers. They seemed the same as other programmers to me. Some
> were good, some weren't. Are Russian programmers also inferior? How about
> Brazilian programmers?
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> TedF wrote:
>> No they are just starting from scratch.
>> Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>> news:%23eG%23R9M7GHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> TedF wrote:
>>>> Those inaccessible folders were never accessible
>>>> by any antivirus software. You had to manually
>>>> squeeze them out. Doubt very much antivirus companies
>>>> are getting better, they are actually getting worse since
>>>> they all outsource their programming to India.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are Indian programmers inherently worse than other nationalities?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kerry
>>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>

There are a lot of top notch Russian programmers. Look at how many of the best hackers are Russian.

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message news:%23Cw9JaO7GHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
You know this from first hand experience? Have you been to India? Have you
met any Indian programmers? I haven't been to India but I have met a few
Indian programmers. They seemed the same as other programmers to me. Some
were good, some weren't. Are Russian programmers also inferior? How about
Brazilian programmers?

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


TedF wrote:
> No they are just starting from scratch.
> Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.
>
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:%23eG%23R9M7GHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> TedF wrote:
>>> Those inaccessible folders were never accessible
>>> by any antivirus software. You had to manually
>>> squeeze them out. Doubt very much antivirus companies
>>> are getting better, they are actually getting worse since
>>> they all outsource their programming to India.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Are Indian programmers inherently worse than other nationalities?
>>
>> --
>> Kerry
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca

Hi Ted,

I really did not want to enter in to this pointless banter however I do feel
very passionately about Microsoft and their Trustworthy Computing Framework
an initiative launched back in 2002. Microsoft have not always valued
security before functionality which is inherently wrong and caused them to
receive quite a bit of bad press (which in most cases was justified).
However since starting this TCF a completely new ethos for all developers
and product designers in Microsoft they have significantly increased
security in their new server products and Vista is the first test of a MS
programmers changed ethos in security on the client model.

I think they are doing a cracking job. Microsoft can sometimes not win at
all against the small minded simple folk who like to criticize Microsoft
purely for being Microsoft.

Let's look at your argument....

"TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote in message
news:eCGbgJO7GHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >I think you forget that this is still a test platform.
> No I didn't, I just don't like all the new features, the extra
> unnecessary security.

Please explain to me what unneccessary security is.. I assume you are
reffering to UAC... it's interesting as this technology has pretty much been
running in Solaris for many years. In most unix variants it is not normal
nor even accepted practise for any body to be logged in to the system with
the admin (or in this case root) account. Users would perform tasks that
requires additional privalledges in a command shell running as a privelidged
account using pseudo run.

One of the main reasons Windows XP is so vulnerable to attack from malware
is (sorry about this chap) but people like yourself that run with
administritive privs. I would be very surprised if you were not running
with them. Now I am not saying that XP was incapable of having locked down
accounts and security policys, quite the opposite infact, however out of the
box it is very insecure.

Now we cannot expect "home users" to harden their systems, no need anymore
Vista installs to a default configuration which has taken all this into
account. Now if the user attempts to run something out of the scope of
their privs windows will automatically psuedo run the process with the users
permission. FANTASTIC!

Seems to be Microsoft are dammed if they are insecure (ms sucks use linux
etc) and are dammed if they are secure (this is slowing me down prompting me
for stuff).

It's a fine balance... The security triangle has functionality and ease of
use on the bottom two corners and security on the top corner... the closer
you move toward security the further away you move from functionality and
ease of use.

> I don't like that non of the 3rd party software work on Vista,
> they all need updating.

Well your statement is inherently incorrect as I have run quite a bit of
Software designed for Windows XP and it's happily sitting with Vista. One
thing that you seem to forget is that Vista is still in development and 3rd
party software houses are still testing compatibility with Vista. In order
for any reasonable improvement to an OS there will inevitably be a few
compatibility issues in the short term.

I remember running XP RTM when it was released and having a few pieces of
software that would not run for love no money (can't remember what they
were).

Just my $0.02

"TedF" wrote:

> Vista is nothing but a screwed up XP.

You're simply an ignorant man

You ignorant and stupid, you must have been very happy
with the support you got from India lately. Most likely never tried it.
You are one of those traitors that support and keep American
programmer jobless and take jobs out of the US.
It is better if you shut your mouth up.


"William" <woogles@charter.net> wrote in message
news:570A641C-CDC1-4E65-9090-6C76A0651C4B@microsoft.com...
You are as ignorant and your are foolish.

"TedF" <NoReply@xxxmsn.com> wrote in message
news:%2333Qu0O7GHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
It has nothing to do where the person is from.
They lack the general knowledge and common sense
that we have.
India population is over one billion, and they haven't
accomplished 1/1000 of what we accomplished in the US.
If they were that good, then they would be way ahead of us.




"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:%23Cw9JaO7GHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> You know this from first hand experience? Have you been to India? Have
you
> met any Indian programmers? I haven't been to India but I have met a few
> Indian programmers. They seemed the same as other programmers to me.
Some
> were good, some weren't. Are Russian programmers also inferior? How
about
> Brazilian programmers?
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> TedF wrote:
>> No they are just starting from scratch.
>> Yes, they lack Western Knowledge.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>> news:%23eG%23R9M7GHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> TedF wrote:
>>>> Those inaccessible folders were never accessible
>>>> by any antivirus software. You had to manually
>>>> squeeze them out. Doubt very much antivirus companies
>>>> are getting better, they are actually getting worse since
>>>> they all outsource their programming to India.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are Indian programmers inherently worse than other nationalities?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kerry
>>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>