If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you
know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS
cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the
feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people
download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for
feedback and bug reports in those cases.

Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS
and give them feedback plus bug reports?

If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN,
Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting
tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a
legitimate copy or not.
--
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http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
news:270D263A-2C31-40A1-A183-BB15A502B35E@microsoft.com...
> If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you
> know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS
> cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the
> feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people
> download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for
> feedback and bug reports in those cases.
>
> Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS
> and give them feedback plus bug reports?

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u$JZAuRhGHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN,
> Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting
> tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a
> legitimate copy or not.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> "AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
> news:270D263A-2C31-40A1-A183-BB15A502B35E@microsoft.com...
>> If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so
>> you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if
>> MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using
>> the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how
>> people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked
>> upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
>>
>> Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for
>> MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?
>
>


One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key.
I think this is terrific.

I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would
be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

You can e-mail mchelp@microsoft.com or apply at http://beta.microsoft.com
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
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Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

"AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com...
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u$JZAuRhGHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN,
>> Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting
>> tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a
>> legitimate copy or not.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> "AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
>> news:270D263A-2C31-40A1-A183-BB15A502B35E@microsoft.com...
>>> If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so
>>> you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to
>>> if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback
>>> using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like
>>> how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's
>>> looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
>>>
>>> Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for
>>> MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?
>>
>>
>
>
> One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product
> key. I think this is terrific.
>
> I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I
> would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting
> bugs etc.

As far as I know, there are no new testers being accepted.
But you can register here:
http://connect.microsoft.com/

As for unauthorized sources (anything outside of Microsoft)?
Unreliable at best.
While most may be true to original, some may be tampered by the unscrupulous
person distributing unauthorized software.
Without that assurance, bugs are unreliable.
Further, I would question the integrity of anyone who feels the need to get
software from an unauthorized distributor and report bugs or other issues.
What else may they do that may corrupt the data?

Getting it is bad enough, but the potential for corrupting valuable data is
to high.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
news:270D263A-2C31-40A1-A183-BB15A502B35E@microsoft.com...
> If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you
> know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS
> cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the
> feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people
> download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for
> feedback and bug reports in those cases.
>
> Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS
> and give them feedback plus bug reports?

what does mchelp@microsoft.com do?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%2338zPpShGHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> You can e-mail mchelp@microsoft.com or apply at http://beta.microsoft.com
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>
> "AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
> news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com...
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:u$JZAuRhGHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN,
>>> Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting
>>> tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a
>>> legitimate copy or not.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>> "AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
>>> news:270D263A-2C31-40A1-A183-BB15A502B35E@microsoft.com...
>>>> If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so
>>>> you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to
>>>> if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback
>>>> using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like
>>>> how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's
>>>> looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
>>>>
>>>> Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for
>>>> MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product
>> key. I think this is terrific.
>>
>> I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I
>> would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting
>> bugs etc.
>
>

I wouldn't bother testing or submitting bugs if I got no access to the private
ngs

While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that AMDX2 wrote in
news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com


> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u$JZAuRhGHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN,
>> Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool.
>> I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate
>> copy or not.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> "AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
>> news:270D263A-2C31-40A1-A183-BB15A502B35E@microsoft.com...
>>> If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you
>>> know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS
>>> cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the
>>> feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people
>>> download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for
>>> feedback and bug reports in those cases.
>>>
>>> Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS
>>> and give them feedback plus bug reports?
>>
>>
>
>
> One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I
> think this is terrific.
>
> I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be
> able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

Well... if you check option 3 on here
http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?bugreport - you'll be submitting
feedback and error reporting messages (which are still very important)
without having to type anything out )
It's started automatically on first install - but just check that it's
enabled )

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
"D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
news:uWdcOAYhGHA.1508@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I wouldn't bother testing or submitting bugs if I got no access to the
>private ngs
>
> While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that AMDX2 wrote in
> news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com
>
>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:u$JZAuRhGHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN,
>>> Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting
>>> tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a
>>> legitimate copy or not.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>> "AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
>>> news:270D263A-2C31-40A1-A183-BB15A502B35E@microsoft.com...
>>>> If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so
>>>> you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to
>>>> if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback
>>>> using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like
>>>> how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's
>>>> looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
>>>>
>>>> Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for
>>>> MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product
>> key. I think this is terrific.
>>
>> I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I
>> would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting
>> bugs etc.
>
>
>

"Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uiSyRDYhGHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Well... if you check option 3 on here
> http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?bugreport - you'll be submitting
> feedback and error reporting messages (which are still very important)
> without having to type anything out )
> It's started automatically on first install - but just check that it's
> enabled )
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
> » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
> » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
> not
> of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
> that up!
>
> --: Original message follows :--
> "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
> news:uWdcOAYhGHA.1508@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I wouldn't bother testing or submitting bugs if I got no access to the
>>private ngs
>>
>> While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that AMDX2 wrote in
>> news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com
>>
>>
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u$JZAuRhGHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as
>>>> MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using
>>>> reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are
>>>> running a legitimate copy or not.
>>>> --
>>>> Andre
>>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>> "AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:270D263A-2C31-40A1-A183-BB15A502B35E@microsoft.com...
>>>>> If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so
>>>>> you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to
>>>>> if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback
>>>>> using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like
>>>>> how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's
>>>>> looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test
>>>>> for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product
>>> key. I think this is terrific.
>>>
>>> I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I
>>> would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting
>>> bugs etc.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


Zack, I've always wondered about in win xp the error reporting tool that
comes up when an app crashes. It sends data back to MS. Do you or anyone
else know what this does as in does MS actually look at these and fix them?
Because many apps can and do crash that aren't made by MS, so I wonder if
they do anything.

"AMDX2" <s@s.com> wrote in message
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> "Zack Whittaker" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message

> Zack, I've always wondered about in win xp the error reporting tool that
> comes up when an app crashes. It sends data back to MS. Do you or anyone
> else know what this does as in does MS actually look at these and fix
> them? Because many apps can and do crash that aren't made by MS, so I
> wonder if they do anything.


Yes they do but they prioritize by how many of each thing they get.

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