Vista - New EULA for Retail Buyers

If the screws keep getting tighter, does that mean I'm getting screwed?

I've read the new EULA. It's very vague. How does one "assign to a device".
Write the device a love note? Holler the devices' name from a roof-top. Have
one's secretary point? It doesn't make any sense.

And while the EULA say I can "reassign" [how's that done?] "one time". It
doen't say I can do it more than once. It says I can do it one time. The
EULA doesn't cover if I should do it two times. It doesn't say either way.

It's a crazy unworkable EULA that probably should be ignored. Buy your copy,
use it on one computer at a time and ignore the rest. Be circumscript should
you have to phone in.

And how can the report of an IP address not be "personal information"? To
all intents and purposes, the IP address does ID a person. Sheesh.

Do you realize how many times in a week your Windows Vista will check on you
and even report on you? Every time you boot and maybe then some. Everytime
you update and maybe then some. Every time WGA Notifications decides and it
*will* be including a personally identifiable IP address. And with a new
restriction per every few months, who knows what is coming down the
Microsoft pipe? Forced upgrades? Lock you out from your private files?
(whoops .. they already will do that) What else do you have planned for your
customers, Microsoft? Why not just give us all the possible restrictions you
have planned right now and so we can decide if we even want to stay on the
Microsoft train?

Most of us, like me, are little froggies in a slowly heating pot of water.
It's beginning to steam now, but we don't want to get out 'cause the dancing
bunnies are so pretty.

We're all so apathetic. Lame easy pushovers who accept everything that is
shoved at them. 'Especially me.

Microsoft, do want me to spit or swallow?

LOL
Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
Bubbles are nice though

Jeff

"Eddy" <_blank_@ddress.internet.net> wrote in message
news:%23H7Nz2v8GHA.2120@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If the screws keep getting tighter, does that mean I'm getting screwed?
>
> I've read the new EULA. It's very vague. How does one "assign to a
> device". Write the device a love note? Holler the devices' name from a
> roof-top. Have one's secretary point? It doesn't make any sense.
>
> And while the EULA say I can "reassign" [how's that done?] "one time". It
> doen't say I can do it more than once. It says I can do it one time. The
> EULA doesn't cover if I should do it two times. It doesn't say either way.
>
> It's a crazy unworkable EULA that probably should be ignored. Buy your
> copy, use it on one computer at a time and ignore the rest. Be
> circumscript should you have to phone in.
>
> And how can the report of an IP address not be "personal information"?
> To all intents and purposes, the IP address does ID a person. Sheesh.
>
> Do you realize how many times in a week your Windows Vista will check on
> you and even report on you? Every time you boot and maybe then some.
> Everytime you update and maybe then some. Every time WGA Notifications
> decides and it *will* be including a personally identifiable IP address.
> And with a new restriction per every few months, who knows what is coming
> down the Microsoft pipe? Forced upgrades? Lock you out from your private
> files? (whoops .. they already will do that) What else do you have planned
> for your customers, Microsoft? Why not just give us all the possible
> restrictions you have planned right now and so we can decide if we even
> want to stay on the Microsoft train?
>
> Most of us, like me, are little froggies in a slowly heating pot of
> water. It's beginning to steam now, but we don't want to get out 'cause
> the dancing bunnies are so pretty.
>
> We're all so apathetic. Lame easy pushovers who accept everything that is
> shoved at them. 'Especially me.
>
> Microsoft, do want me to spit or swallow?

And what of production computers that are not hooked up to a network.

The security checks, if they can't be compleated, will the legal systems
still run ?

I've got a few systems that are running 24/7 that are NOT allowed to talk to
the internet due to the data on them.

The Bubbles are very nice

On the record I don't mind an OS (any OS) phoning in on startup or on login.

I don't mind a teeny-weeny bit.

Why?

Because the support system built in seems so blinking fantastic!

If the OS needs to phone-in to be sure my OS & software is legit and
upto date well, that's absolutely fine by me.

If it also means that hardware drivers are updated, fine-tuned and dress
fitted that is equally fine by me.

But there again, i don't think I am paranoid?

(but do wear Paramo!)

Jeff wrote:
> LOL
> Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
> Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
> Bubbles are nice though
>
> Jeff
>

Well; if ya don't connect to the net; not sure.
Jeff
"Me Jarhead" <MeJarhead@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2E3BD5FD-B5EC-4336-A70C-FA0DC9B4CFC6@microsoft.com...
> And what of production computers that are not hooked up to a network.
>
> The security checks, if they can't be compleated, will the legal systems
> still run ?
>
> I've got a few systems that are running 24/7 that are NOT allowed to talk
> to
> the internet due to the data on them.

I'd guess that a named individual in the organisation has entered into
an agreement to have the OS present and I'd also hope that software
audits were automated, thorough and sent in regular reports to the
signatory and the OS copyright holders.

For some signatories that may mean an abbreviated report with lots of
stars for good and lots of exclamation marks for bad, very bad.

The crappy new EULA aside, you *are* aware that your IP address *is*
included in *every* internet transmission made by your computer in any
operating system, right?

That incldues several requests for every single web page and every time you
send an email or post/receive messages to/from a newsgroup.

-Mike

P.S. Your IP is 70.25.71.196, you are using Rogers cable internet and are
located somewhere in the vicinity of ottawa in Canada. Everyone having your
IP address and related information has been a fact of life since Windows 95
and is not likely to change anytime soon. You can check everyone's ip
address by viewing the properties of their messages and determine ther basic
location by any number of free tools on the web. Mine is 24.4.175.239, I use
Comcast and am located somewhere in the vincinty of San Rafael in the U.S..

-Mike


"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:%23I9165v8GHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> LOL
> Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
> Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
> Bubbles are nice though
>
> Jeff
>
> "Eddy" <_blank_@ddress.internet.net> wrote in message
> news:%23H7Nz2v8GHA.2120@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> If the screws keep getting tighter, does that mean I'm getting screwed?
>>
>> I've read the new EULA. It's very vague. How does one "assign to a
>> device". Write the device a love note? Holler the devices' name from a
>> roof-top. Have one's secretary point? It doesn't make any sense.
>>
>> And while the EULA say I can "reassign" [how's that done?] "one time". It
>> doen't say I can do it more than once. It says I can do it one time. The
>> EULA doesn't cover if I should do it two times. It doesn't say either
>> way.
>>
>> It's a crazy unworkable EULA that probably should be ignored. Buy your
>> copy, use it on one computer at a time and ignore the rest. Be
>> circumscript should you have to phone in.
>>
>> And how can the report of an IP address not be "personal information"? To
>> all intents and purposes, the IP address does ID a person. Sheesh.
>>
>> Do you realize how many times in a week your Windows Vista will check on
>> you and even report on you? Every time you boot and maybe then some.
>> Everytime you update and maybe then some. Every time WGA Notifications
>> decides and it *will* be including a personally identifiable IP address.
>> And with a new restriction per every few months, who knows what is coming
>> down the Microsoft pipe? Forced upgrades? Lock you out from your private
>> files? (whoops .. they already will do that) What else do you have
>> planned for your customers, Microsoft? Why not just give us all the
>> possible restrictions you have planned right now and so we can decide if
>> we even want to stay on the Microsoft train?
>>
>> Most of us, like me, are little froggies in a slowly heating pot of
>> water. It's beginning to steam now, but we don't want to get out 'cause
>> the dancing bunnies are so pretty.
>>
>> We're all so apathetic. Lame easy pushovers who accept everything that is
>> shoved at them. 'Especially me.
>>
>> Microsoft, do want me to spit or swallow?
>

Yup, I realize. But the anonymizer option is there should I want to take it.


"**__MIke__**" <Mike@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:FvSdnccYb-pBOqvYnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> The crappy new EULA aside, you *are* aware that your IP address *is*
> included in *every* internet transmission made by your computer in any
> operating system, right?
>
> That incldues several requests for every single web page and every time
> you send an email or post/receive messages to/from a newsgroup.
>
> -Mike
>
> P.S. Your IP is 70.25.71.196, you are using Rogers cable internet and are
> located somewhere in the vicinity of ottawa in Canada. Everyone having
> your IP address and related information has been a fact of life since
> Windows 95 and is not likely to change anytime soon. You can check
> everyone's ip address by viewing the properties of their messages and
> determine ther basic location by any number of free tools on the web. Mine
> is 24.4.175.239, I use Comcast and am located somewhere in the vincinty of
> San Rafael in the U.S..
>
> -Mike
>
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:%23I9165v8GHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> LOL
>> Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
>> Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
>> Bubbles are nice though
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Eddy" <_blank_@ddress.internet.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23H7Nz2v8GHA.2120@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> If the screws keep getting tighter, does that mean I'm getting screwed?
>>>
>>> I've read the new EULA. It's very vague. How does one "assign to a
>>> device". Write the device a love note? Holler the devices' name from a
>>> roof-top. Have one's secretary point? It doesn't make any sense.
>>>
>>> And while the EULA say I can "reassign" [how's that done?] "one time".
>>> It doen't say I can do it more than once. It says I can do it one time.
>>> The EULA doesn't cover if I should do it two times. It doesn't say
>>> either way.
>>>
>>> It's a crazy unworkable EULA that probably should be ignored. Buy your
>>> copy, use it on one computer at a time and ignore the rest. Be
>>> circumscript should you have to phone in.
>>>
>>> And how can the report of an IP address not be "personal information"?
>>> To all intents and purposes, the IP address does ID a person. Sheesh.
>>>
>>> Do you realize how many times in a week your Windows Vista will check on
>>> you and even report on you? Every time you boot and maybe then some.
>>> Everytime you update and maybe then some. Every time WGA Notifications
>>> decides and it *will* be including a personally identifiable IP address.
>>> And with a new restriction per every few months, who knows what is
>>> coming down the Microsoft pipe? Forced upgrades? Lock you out from your
>>> private files? (whoops .. they already will do that) What else do you
>>> have planned for your customers, Microsoft? Why not just give us all the
>>> possible restrictions you have planned right now and so we can decide if
>>> we even want to stay on the Microsoft train?
>>>
>>> Most of us, like me, are little froggies in a slowly heating pot of
>>> water. It's beginning to steam now, but we don't want to get out 'cause
>>> the dancing bunnies are so pretty.
>>>
>>> We're all so apathetic. Lame easy pushovers who accept everything that
>>> is shoved at them. 'Especially me.
>>>
>>> Microsoft, do want me to spit or swallow?
>>
>

I'm sure they'll work fine, but if they ever are connected to the internet,
M$ will be one of, if not *the* first server contacted.

-Mike

"Me Jarhead" <MeJarhead@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2E3BD5FD-B5EC-4336-A70C-FA0DC9B4CFC6@microsoft.com...
> And what of production computers that are not hooked up to a network.
>
> The security checks, if they can't be compleated, will the legal systems
> still run ?
>
> I've got a few systems that are running 24/7 that are NOT allowed to talk
> to
> the internet due to the data on them.

Funny, I actually do. It's sort of the sticking point for me. I don't want
to be reported on by my computer. This little froggie doesn't like the taste
of it. Something about it is not right.

"deebs" <deebs@false.false> wrote in message
news:eZmR1Cw8GHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The Bubbles are very nice
>
> On the record I don't mind an OS (any OS) phoning in on startup or on
> login.
>
> I don't mind a teeny-weeny bit.
>
> Why?
>
> Because the support system built in seems so blinking fantastic!
>
> If the OS needs to phone-in to be sure my OS & software is legit and upto
> date well, that's absolutely fine by me.
>
> If it also means that hardware drivers are updated, fine-tuned and dress
> fitted that is equally fine by me.
>
> But there again, i don't think I am paranoid?
>
> (but do wear Paramo!)
>
> Jeff wrote:
>> LOL
>> Yup; every single boot-up-phonin home.
>> Ahh; and correct again; most people don't care.
>> Bubbles are nice though
>>
>> Jeff
>>